Seen a few other posts on this subject, but I had to vent on my own thread.
I got my 2017 Sport three weeks ago. Previously, I owned an '07 EXL and '12 EX. (Canadian.) I loved the truck because it was the right blend between daily driver and truck. It wasn't a workhorse, in the sense of pulling 10,000 lbs., but it did everything I asked of it. I hauled everything and anything I needed, long and short distances, I could fit as much in a RL as I fit in an Odessey, and then I could add a trailer.
The first gen RL was a clear and prime example of "function over form", which rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way. I'd be the first to admit that there was room to improve its form, but never *ever* should that have come at the expense of function. The 2017 is the best example I've ever seen of "form over function", polar opposite of the first gen. It is absolutely clear that the design team did not understand the first gen, and completely ignored much of the reasoning. Nor did they actually try to USE their design.
When I first test drove the 2017, it was a Black Edition. At the time, I had been driving a Dodge Ram rental for 9 weeks, as a result of the Takada recall. The vehicle drove like a dream. I was smitten, but because I'd been driving a behemoth brick crap-house for so long, I'd not paid attention to what I should have been.
Then I got mine. It still drives great. First off, if all you're looking for is a driver - i.e. you (and maybe one other person) drives in this vehicle, and you use it exclusively for light duty, then yeah, it's great. Cat's ass. Overall, the fit and finish is awesome. I am generally pleased with the gas mileage, and the adaptive cruise, etc., is great. But if you want to do just about anything "truck" with it, it constantly disappoints. My list:
1) When they redesigned the bed (in part to accommodate the stereo system in the black) they made the cab shorter. I'm 6'1", my wife is 6'. When we're in the front, I have to *wedge* my son in the back seat, or one of us has to drive uncomfortably close to the dash. When the driver's seat is in my position, there is 2" of clearance to the back seat. FAIL. That obviously means there's that much less volume for stuff when the seats are folded up. (The 60 of my 60/40 doesn't lock, either, TBD
2) They took that ~4" out of the back doors. Because of the bulk of the armrests, and because they didn't put in 90° hinges, one cannot slide in long bulky objects into the back seat any more.
3) They took just enough out of the trunk that most of the things that used to fit, don't.
4) They added a texture (diamond plate) to the ribs in the bed that makes sliding big/or heavy things in *much* harder.
5) They made the rear bumper so narrow that when the tailgate is down, you have no step with which to get into the bed easily.
6) The center console easily has 1/2 the space it used to, and since it no longer has the second tier, the 'real' armrest is gone for us bigger folk. Not to mention a lot of good storage.
7) The center console makes moving around in tight spaces much more difficult. I've lost track of the number of times I put my truck in somewhere that I needed to scoot over to the passenger door. Can't do that any more.
8) The headlights (at least the non-LED versions) are SO dim that I almost can't see while driving at night. The high beams are marginally better. I would estimate that my old (4 year old) bulbs were 80% brighter.
9) I thought the old windshield was a rock magnet...
10) I can't figure out why they added defrosters to the rear windows. Totally useless, and they narrowed the windows up enough that visability out the back is affected
11) Relocated the mirror adjustment out of easy reach. When you trailer a lot, that is a PAIN IN THE A$$.
12) Relocated the rear power window switch to the overhead console. Why?
13) Something in the design of the rear tailgate that it constantly freezes shut. Never happened in the old truck, but three times in the last three weeks, I couldn't get into the bed until it got warmer.
14) The 1/2" they took out of the ground clearance has already caught me twice.
15) They placed the seat belt buckle so that you have to move the flimsy little armrest completely out of the way EVERY time you use it.
16) I didn't get a base model because they made sure to take out many useful features. But I would MUCH rather have gotten other useful design features over a sun roof any day. Been too cold to open it, to make comment.
And this is after three weeks, I (thankfully) finished a large move with the old truck, or I would be even more livid than I am. I haven't really had to do anything 'real' with it yet.
Now, don't get me wrong. I didn't expect the 2017 to be a 2014 with new tail lights, but they took it way too far. In my mind, all they did was make a really expensive El Camino, not a new RL. I have no use for that, so as soon as I can get out of it without losing my shirt, I will... and that will be that. I already went in to the dealership (Palladino Honda) to see what options I'd have to switch out, because that is how dissatisfied I am with the thing. But I'd lose too much to stand right now.
I want my old truck back. Willing to consider trades.