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Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

So I got a new Ridgeline in July. I'm so crazy about keeping it perfect that I called everyone at the Honda Care center, as well as many service techs, to ask if I could change the oil at 500 miles, rather than the 5000-ish that the maintenance minder probably will tell me to wait for. I used my free oil change card from the dealer (big mistake) for this first oil change. I saw him remove the filter and plug, and, after waiting for the drain, install a new filter and replace the plug. Then he lowered the car, and, as I watched, he walked around in front of the car, got in, and started it. I immediately noticed the oil cap was off and said, "Hey, you didn't put the oil in yet." He turned it off and said my questions had distracted him. He had run the engine with no oil in it for 3-5 seconds. I'm wondering if this did any damage. My plan was to change the oil at 500, 1500, 2500, and then every 2000 after that. I'm crushed, as I'm afraid the bearings and engine in general are ruined.

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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

WHOA! I am no mechanic, but for 3-5 seconds, I think you are in the clear if the time after drain was quick.

Your plan to change the oil so often is WAY overkill. Honda provides a maintenance minder which gives you, what I call, a ballpark time frame as to when to change the oil, which I have read here, ranges from 5,000-8,000 miles.

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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

I'm no mechanic, but my first guess is that it would not have done any damage in 3-5 seconds. Besides the fact that there would have been oil still up in the engine from driving it into the service bay to protect it, remember that the oil in a stone cold engine still has to get pumped out of the oil pan and into the engine. That would tend to take longer than 3-5 seconds.

I think you should be OK. If you are that concerned, have the Service Manager acknowledge the mistake and put it in writing so you will be covered later should something oil related happen to the motor.

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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

I would ask for a extended warranty (at no cost to you) for the internal engine components. I agree with Keith, much overkill with you oil change schedule. Let the truck tell you when it needs to be changed, I do.

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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

That reminds me of a time in when I was waiting at Dusty Rhodes Ford in Kilgore, Texas for my first free oil change on my 1995 Probe. While I was standing in the outside waiting area, I saw a blue Aerostar minivan being pulled back up front to the customer. The minivan looked new, but it had a slight engine knock. When the tech got out to turn it back over to the customer, I overheard the owner ask about a red light on the dash. The tech quickly turned off the engine and went to grab another employee. The three of them had a very brief discussion, then a couple of other guys came over to help push the minivan into a service bay where one of them grabbed the bulk oil hose and filled it up. I immediately asked for my car back before they had a change to "change" my oil and left to go home and do it myself. I wanted to see then result of the incident, but I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

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So I got a new Ridgeline in July. I'm so crazy about keeping it perfect that I called everyone at the Honda Care center, as well as many service techs, to ask if I could change the oil at 500 miles, rather than the 5000-ish that the maintenance minder probably will tell me to wait for.
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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

thats alot of oil changes, one every 2,000 miles after you hit 2,500 miles.

I typically get over 7,000 miles per oil changeout. I just had my 12th oil change @ a little over 84,000 miles.

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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

You will be fine even if the Engine idled for 1 minute. I use to drag race and had a oil pump fail just as I went full throttle, I made the 8 sec pass and when I dropped the oil pan to replace pump, I removed 1 of the main caps and you couldnt even tell the engine starved of oil. We are all human and everybody makes mistakes.
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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

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So I got a new Ridgeline in July. I'm so crazy about keeping it perfect that I called everyone at the Honda Care center, as well as many service techs, to ask if I could change the oil at 500 miles, rather than the 5000-ish that the maintenance minder probably will tell me to wait for. I used my free oil change card from the dealer (big mistake) for this first oil change. I saw him remove the filter and plug, and, after waiting for the drain, install a new filter and replace the plug. Then he lowered the car, and, as I watched, he walked around in front of the car, got in, and started it. I immediately noticed the oil cap was off and said, "Hey, you didn't put the oil in yet." He turned it off and said my questions had distracted him. He had run the engine with no oil in it for 3-5 seconds. I'm wondering if this did any damage. My plan was to change the oil at 500, 1500, 2500, and then every 2000 after that. I'm crushed, as I'm afraid the bearings and engine in general are ruined.

What do you think?

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No damage would have been done to the engine, but based on your strategy, I assume that you don't know that the oil supplied in the engine from the factory has a very high moly content and that Honda recommend you keep in there for as long as possible? (5000 miles + regardless of what the dealer will tell you)
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Re: Running without Oil During Dealer Oil Change

Straight from the owners manual for brake in period:

Help assure your vehicle’s future reliability and performance by paying extra attention to how you drive during the first 600 miles (1,000 km).
During this period:Avoid full-throttle starts and rapid acceleration. Do not change the oil until the scheduled maintenance time. Avoid hard braking for the first 200 miles (300 km). Do not tow a trailer.You should also follow these
recommendations with an overhauled or exchanged engine, or when the brakes are replaced.
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