Your take on neighbor's dog...

Have a situation, and curious how others would handle it. My neighbor has a rotweiler / chow mix puppy (about 12 weeks old). The puppy pretty much stays outside (rain / cold), and doesn't have a doghouse or anything (fenced in yard). He does have a garage he can go to, but doesn't becasue it's far away from the house. From what I've seen, he gets absolutely no training-at least when he's outside (which again is the majority of the time). A couple of days ago, he bit the owner's son (5 yr. old) pretty bad on the leg, and bites anytime you try to pet him. Not aggressive biting, just the 'I'm a puppy and I don't know what to do' type of biting. Their solution is to leave him outside alone. My neighbor isn't complete trash or anything (he's City Manager and his dad is Mayor), but they just have no clue how to handle a puppy. I've tried to give him little hints on raising the dog, but he doens't seem to get it. And I just hate seeing a puppy, which currently has a very nice disposition, grow up that way. I am afraid that a dog like that could be very dangerous if not properly trained. And I hate to see him just left outside all the time. He gets so excited when I talk to him since noone else does. He seems to just get more sad every day. I don't know that it comes to the level of 'abouse', but I hate to see him treated that way. What would you do, keeping in mind that it's a neighbor that lives 20 feet from you?

Scott,

leaving a dog outside all the time is abuse in my book. Since you live nextdoor you dognapping this poor dog, and taking it into your home is out of the question. Do you have a family member, or friends that you know that would treat this poor dog like it should? Maybe you could liberate the dog, and allow it to have the life it should. Terrible situation,

I would be direct with him and nicely share the concerns as you just have. Not complicated on how to handle, just difficult because you don't know how he will respond.

Do you have a local animal shelter/ASPCA that is not associated with the city? If so you may want to try giving them a heads up on the situation.

guys, let's slow down. He has said this guy may just not know any better, the first step is to help him learn

What scares me, Scott, is due to the lack of socialization with people the dog may go beyond the nipping stage and really go after your neighbors son. Then the owner would dump the dog to the SPCA. Unsocialized dogs are most times put down. Or your neighbor would put the dog down at the vet's. All this would amount to abuse to me. Albeit indirect, but abuse just the same. Sadly, not the animals fault at all. A real dilemma for you. Hopefully your neighbor is reasonable and will listen well enough to hear your concerns.

Sad situation, Scott. The puppy has obviously not been away from his mother and siblings very long as he is only 12 weeks old. I can imagine how the pup feels as dogs are very social animals and he has just been yanked from a normal family situation to one of solitude and abandonment. It's at this time that a dog needs to bond with humans to replace the bond he had with his "pack". If left this way I don't see how he is going to grow up anything by abnormal and probably a potential danger to the family and others. Can you possibly set him down and explain why it's so important for the puppy to be treated differently at this crucial stage in his life?

here's a photo of where he sleeps - in the flower bed. I suppose it's becasue he can see down the driveway if anyone comes home.

Scott go down to your local vet office and pick up some pamphlets on classes that are available for training. Talk to them as well about your situation they can lead you to resources and information to deal with a situation like this.

You don't train a dog, you train the human.

:)

Kindly tell your neighbor how much you love the dog and ask if you can keep him

I am with mtrotman, tell your neighbor that you like the dog and offer to adopt him. I have adopted several dogs that way. It is much better for the dog to have a good attentive home then to be neglected and maybe eventually put down. I adopted Chelsea from a neighbor who did not know what to do with her, I had already been paying attention to her and giving her treats, all she needed was a good home and love and now she is the best dog that I have ever had.

It could sound a bit harsh but you might ask him why he has the dog. Then be quiet and see what he says. It has to make him think about it. If you or someone that you know is willing, mtrotman just may have the answer. This kind of thing happens all the time but it doesn't make it OK or any less sad.

I had the same situation with a pug puppy across the alley from me. He had no shelter and was out day and night. Another neighbor and myself fed him, gave him water and my kids and yellow lab played with him several times a day. I even took a sturdy box over to him with a blanket and toys. They were not approachable, so I eventually called animal control. When they approached the owners, the owners put the dog in the paper for sale. He is now in a good home. Even if if means bringing the law in on it, I'd rather be thought a bad neighbor for doing the right thing!

Actually, the dog was abandoned @ the Street Department & he decided to take it home for his kids (5 & 10). The kids use to play with him until he started nipping and then they either stayed away from him or tried to push him away. My wife actually yelled at the 5 year old for hitting the dog one day.
We're just not 'big dog' people - already have a dog and a cat. He's going to need a lot more time outside than we could ever provide.
I'm going to have a little talk with him this weekend - I would think he has to know he's in over his head with this one. I'll keep you posted.

I'd rather give the dog a good home instead of seeing some dumbars blunder his way at the expense of the dog. Slap him upside the head and if that doesn't work take the dog or get it a good home. These animals depend on us humans to take care of them.

Just my paws worth.

~Steve

Sounds like the puppy needs a real home. Suggest to the owner that he put the pup up for adoption or fostering if he is not going to get his act together. If he refuses, turn him into the proper authorities. Thanks to you for trying to help. Bad situation:( :

Mutley, one of our best dogs ever, adopted us when we gave him attention that his "owners" next door to us failed to give him. It was an awkward situation for a bit as we didn't really own him, we just fed him, named him and gave him a dry, warm place to sleep on our back porch. The stupid man took him to the shelter one day without saying a word to us when he was well over a year old. We went and bailed him out and made our ownership of him official.

We've also participated in a couple of surreptitious abductions when the sitiuation was unbearable to watch.

But I agree, the straight forward approach would be best. You are completely correct that a large dog needs better manners than small dogs can get away with. The only way for that to happen is with attention and training. Try talking to them again.

What a shame. A Rott-Chow mix could be a terrific guard/companion for the kids if properly trained & given attention & affection. But improperly socialized, that particular mix would have the potential to be serious trouble.

Scott,
The guy is a moron. Anybody that adopts an animal, and then does NOTHING to learn about it's proper care and upbringing, is simply a dolt. That said, it's his right to do what he likes as long as no laws are being broken. I suggest that you warn him of the future cost of what he's doing, and then mind your own business (not trying to be nasty, just giving advice). This guy is why some folks shouldn't own dogs. I'd say that from casual observation, I've come to the conclusion that 40% of dog owners are basically of the same mentality of your neighbor. My sister is this way. She loves dogs, but has the idiotic notion that leaving them outside on a chain all day is the way you 'care' for them. All my efforts to change her have failed. I suspect your situation will be no different.

Dogs were born to be outside. Other than on the coldest of nights, ours stays outside as well. It isn't abuse.

Now, if he's neglecting the dog and not feeding him, then that IS abuse and should be reported.

Some of the attitudes and responses I've read here amazes me based on what available information we've been given.

Dogs were born to be outside.
Not true of many breeds. They are not wolves.

Other than on the coldest of nights, ours stays outside as well. It isn't abuse.
Scott said the guy put his PUPPY outside.....WITHOUT EVEN A DOGHOUSE. How is a puppy supposed to learn to find the garage? I'll bet it trys to stay close to a back door in an attempt to keep warm and be part of it's pack (the human family). From what Scott has described, this is very close to abuse. It is certainly neglect.

Some of the attitudes and responses I've read here amazes me based on what available information we've been given.
From what scott has told us, one would have every reason to suspect neglect. Perhaps you didn't read his post carefully.

On our local humane society website is a reminder of a new California law that forbids tethering of ones dog, it is now against the law. I fully support that law. The law is S.B. 1578 for those who want to look it up. Dogs are pack animals not loners, when they are confined or left alone they freak out, dogs are not just objects to have just because you want one, some people have children for the same reason.

Not true of many breeds. They are not wolves.I've never seen any breed build a house. ;) I'm, of course, talking about larger dogs being able to handle the cold. Aren't we talking about a Chow?


Scott said the guy put his PUPPY outside.....WITHOUT EVEN A DOGHOUSE. Good point. We have a doghouse for our dog, but he won't ever go in it.

From what scott has told us, one would have every reason to suspect neglect. Perhaps you didn't read his post carefully.Perhaps. I remember him saying that they (Scott) fed the dog, though I don't remember anything being said about the neighbors NOT feeding the dog. It is a shame when people get a dog and don't pay any attention to it. I just heard puppy steps downstairs, so I guess it must be time to go play with the puppy (not that he's still a puppy).

I'm still shocked by some of the posts, such as stealing the dog. I believe that's illegal as well. If it's truely abuse, go to the authorities.

My main point was for Scott to mind his own business unless he witnesses a law being broken. Even though some types of neglect are terrible, if it isn't against the law, it's simply best to look the other way......no matter how much you wish to help the dog. From my viewpoint, many dog owners are idiots....but, many are not. It makes me sick when I see folks leave a dog all alone outside for days on end. They are a pack animal and REQUIRE daily interaction in order to be mentally balanced. There's a reason most dogs that are either tied up or fenced in, with little human interaction, turn out to be biters and barkers. With just a little love, firm guidance (something they crave) and a place in the family, 99.9% of canines will turn out to be wonderful pets.

My main point was for Scott to mind his own business unless he witnesses a law being broken. Even though some types of neglect are terrible, if it isn't against the law, it's simply best to look the other way......no matter how much you wish to help the dog. From my viewpoint, many dog owners are idiots....but, many are not. It makes me sick when I see folks leave a dog all alone outside for days on end. They are a pack animal and REQUIRE daily interaction in order to be mentally balanced. There's a reason most dogs that are either tied up or fenced in, with little human interaction, turn out to be biters and barkers. With just a little love, firm guidance (something they crave) and a place in the family, 99.9% of canines will turn out to be wonderful pets.I agree with this statement 100%.

I agree with this statement 100%.

I disgree with part of this statement. I know it is not easy, but overall the best way is to talk to the guy and share your concers. No stealing or anything illegal and then if he sees something illegal deal with that.

If I was about to pick up a live electrical wire and shock myself I would really appreciate a warning.

Well, saw my neighbor out in the yard Friday night and decided to go out to talk to him. Kinda warming him up by saying 'Havne't seen you around much recently?' His reply:"Yeah, my wife and I are getting a divorce so I've been staying with friends a lot recently." Ugh. So, he's not even sure who's going to get custody of the two kids or who will stay in the house. The dog is probably the least of their concerns right now. He did mention he had an uncle that had a farm that was wanting to take him, so we'll see. While he's telling me about trying to get custody of the kids, I couldn't very well say 'What about the dog?' Can probably bring it up in a later conversation.

Well, saw my neighbor out in the yard Friday night and decided to go out to talk to him. Kinda warming him up by saying 'Havne't seen you around much recently?' His reply:"Yeah, my wife and I are getting a divorce so I've been staying with friends a lot recently." Ugh. So, he's not even sure who's going to get custody of the two kids or who will stay in the house. The dog is probably the least of their concerns right now. He did mention he had an uncle that had a farm that was wanting to take him, so we'll see. While he's telling me about trying to get custody of the kids, I couldn't very well say 'What about the dog?' Can probably bring it up in a later conversation.

Scott,

My hat is off to you. A lot of people would just turn their backs on potential problems in their neighborhoods or just simply stab their neighbor in the back. I really respect you talking face to face with your neighbor. Good job.
(It sucks they are divorcing!)

Scott, I agree also, I am very impressed. I know it is difficult, but always the best thing to do is talk to the person first (as a Christian, it is also required of ME) but I also think it is good advice for anyone.

Keep talking to the guy, he may need a friend as he is going through his divorce. You may also be able to say to him,

" I know you are going through a lot and have so much on your mind, I have been thinking about a new dog and if it would help you I would be willing to take the puppy and care for him."

This may help everyone involved, especially the dog.

Scott, :eek: So, let's get this straight. Your concerns have gone from a possible issue with a dog......to getting advice to talk to him about his divorce? Wow. I'll stick with my original comment. Mind your own business......or you may regret it. It isn't 'always best' to talk to some folks about their problems. Unless you know that this guy is a stable individual, or a friend, I would wish him good luck, and let him alone. Christian or not, common sense and caution is a prudent denominator these days.
And this for fredridge....It isn't required of a Christian to talk to any particular individual. It is asked of Christians to assist those in need. Some folks may actually handle things much better if they are given privacy. To help somebody is a noble deed, but the question that must be asked first is HOW.

Actually Basils, you are wrong,
"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over NIV Matt 18:15

the principle is that if there is an issue you go talk to them one on one first, he had an issue with his neighbor. That is also common sense, if you have an issue you talk to that person.

I also suggested that he might be able to help, not that he had to, or to invade the guys privacy. The advice was also still dealing with the issue of the dog. And possibly helping a person at the same time.

And you are right, know HOW to help someone is very important in that process, however you advice on "mind your own business" will not lead to him knowing how.

Sounds to me that both your neighbor and the dog are about to be left out in the cold without their pack.
Definately they both need a friend. Man for someone to listen. Dog for someone to care for it....if this turns out to be you Scott then more power to you. Another example of the quality members we have here at the ROC.
Simple comments without seeming to nosey would be something like, "Hey its getting kinda cold out have you thought about what kind of house to get your dog?" by stating 'what kind' the assumption is made to his benefit that you give him enough credit to have thought of it. Even if he hadn't he can easily take credit for it. Compare it to "Hey is getting cold out don't you think you ought to get that dog a house?" which would be offensive to simple aquaintances, but you could possibly say to a family member or freind. With a pending divorce hes got a lot to dealwith Im sure so just tread lightly and use statements that give him power over the situation. Probably something he needs right now anyhow.

A friend in need is a friend indeed, I always try to lend an ear or both if neccessary, wether it be a friend, a neighbor or even a stranger. Sometimes the only way to work out a problem is to talk it through and it is sometimes easier to talk to a stranger who may then become a friend. I have found this to be true of the roc, when I joined the roc , everbody was a stranger to me and now I feel as though I have made many friends and some family too. The roc rocks.

Good call RidgeDOC and Fredridge. Getting involved in other peoples (and pets) lives is part of what makes us a community. The failure to be willing to get involved is part of what is making us less human. It tears at our nations foundation. Alexis d' Tocqueville said that what made America great is that American's were good. Being good means doing good. Keep doing good ScottIN!!!

Alexis d' Tocqueville said that what made America great is that American's were good.

I live 25 miles north of Biloxi MS. A little less than 15 months ago, we had a bit of an inconvenience down here, as most of y'all know. Matter of fact, it was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States, according to some pundits. (I suspect the New Madrid Earthquake of 1811 might've been a bigger disaster, except that the population was so much lower, but I digress). My point is that I & many of my neighbors discovered that Americans still are good.

Heck, a guy from WV that came down several times last year with a church mission group phoned the other night & said he was coming back in January to work on some houses. A lot of those folks enjoy helping others & we enjoy feeding them. Not only are Americans still good, but we have the best chow in the world. You go to Mexico, you get Mexican food. You go to France, you get French food. You go to Italy, you get Italian food. You go to China, you get Chinese food. You come to America & we say, "You wanna eat Mexican, French, Italian, Chinese, or shall I throw together a pot of gumbo?"

Basils, you continue to tell Scott to mind his own business when he is trying to aid a helpless dog. If you really believe in the "mind your own business" unless asked to do otherwise, why are you repeatedly giving unsolicited advice to Scott? How do you explain the paradox here?

why are you repeatedly giving unsolicited advice to Scott? How do you explain the paradox here?I didn't realize that asking for advice on an internet forum resulted in "unsolicited advice" when a differing opinion was given.

I didn't realize that asking for advice on an internet forum resulted in "unsolicited advice" when a differing opinion was given.
Only when it is repetitious.

I didn't realize that asking for advice on an internet forum resulted in "unsolicited advice" when a differing opinion was given.
It's cool swamp. Webwader has never had much civility towards me in the past and I don't expect any from him in the present or future. I think it stems from us being on opposite ends of the political/philosophical spectrum. Sort of like oil and water. His only comments towards me are meant to provoke a response. I guess he just got one. :D

Actually Basils, you are wrong,
"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over NIV Matt 18:15

Fred,
I respect your belief, but I do not agree with your biblical application. I can assume that you are evangelical? I can interpret from your posts that you believe in 'sola scripta'. Christianity is not ALL in agreement with your use of scripture and how it applies in everyday life. Saying that I'm 'wrong' is based on an opinion. You may show another thier faults in ways other than verbal dialogue. This would be an equal interpretation of the verse, in my opinion.

Sorry Basils, I have this horrible habit of thinking people I disagree with are wrong. You are right, there is opinionism and I am an evangelical. You are also right in "Christianity" is not in agreement on a whole lot of things.

I would also disagree with your interpretation that showing that fault does not include talking. Though the word for "show" (élengxo) can mean either talk to or "show" in some other way, the context which uses the word "hear" (akoúsee) several times clearly refers to the act of verbal communication.

With that said, either your intrepretation or mine clearly does not support the "mind your own business" advice.

With that said, I also stated that this was how "I" am to respond, but thought it was good advice across the board.

No need to be sorry Fred. I fully understand your viewpoint and how it can be beneficial to have open discussion. My concern, and what I take issue with, is that in this day and age, being open and honest and trying to help somebody that you hardly know, can backfire. Heck, I've even gotten bad vibes just trying to be friendly with my neighbors by saying 'hello'. Especially the females. I was really trying to save scott a possible issue with a person he hardly knows. I've been burned many times trying to be 'neighborly', and as such, I was speaking from a more negative viewpoint than yours.

Biblical context can often be taken literally.....as in 'word for word', such as is believed and practiced by evangelicals. While I respect this, I often see it differently and intellectualize that differing circumstances don't always lend themselves to a literal application of biblical scripture. My belief is that thought, common sense, sound judgement, and broad counsel, will often lead to a more productive answer to issues than a purely scriptural reference would.

No need to be sorry Fred. I fully understand your viewpoint and how it can be beneficial to have open discussion. My concern, and what I take issue with, is that in this day and age, being open and honest and trying to help somebody that you hardly know, can backfire. Heck, I've even gotten bad vibes just trying to be friendly with my neighbors by saying 'hello'. Especially the females. I was really trying to save scott a possible issue with a person he hardly knows. I've been burned many times trying to be 'neighborly', and as such, I was speaking from a more negative viewpoint than yours.

Biblical context can often be taken literally.....as in 'word for word', such as is believed and practiced by evangelicals. While I respect this, I often see it differently and intellectualize that differing circumstances don't always lend themselves to a literal application of biblical scripture. My belief is that thought, common sense, sound judgement, and broad counsel, will often lead to a more productive answer to issues than a purely scriptural reference would.

Basils,

You talk to much! Let Scott try and help his neighbor out. Isn't that what is wrong with our society today anyway? You're worried Scott is going to get burned? Let's say he does, but at least he tried. There are plenty of times in my life when I am glad people helped me or at least tried to help. Also, have you ever heard of "love your neighbor as yourself" ? And where did Jesus ever say we should "intellectualize" things?

Come back to reality !

Basils, I totally appreciate your thought in this and understand that there can definitely be negative responses. I definitely don't want Scott to get hurt, and I think my suggested conversations were light enough to be able to do that.
I also have had the experience of being honest with someone and having it backfire. Ask any lifeguard, trying to help someone who is drowning can lead to your own drowning, but they see that it is worth the risk.

I also appreciate your take on scripture and we do start at different places when it comes to the authority of scripture in our lives. I also understand the need to understand scripture relating to differing circumstances in differing times. Let me point out several issues relating to that:

1. I "drew out" (intellectualized) a principle from the words of Jesus - Principles transcend time and context (circumstance) and are then to be applied in the circumstance that is at issue (neighbors dog)

2. I responded to your statement that it would be an "equal interpretation" - common sense, sound judgement and reading the surrounding words helps us understand that an "equal interpretation" is not really accurate.

3. Broad counsel is not necessarily good counsel and can often lead us to bad advice. Think about anyone on the opposite end of the political spectrum from you. They may be getting broad counsel, but I am guessing you don't think it's wise - However wise counsel is always good. (My personal presupposition is that Jesus is wise)

Finally your post suggests that you believe that evangelicals who believe in the authority of scripture don't use common sense and that they are not intellectual. I assure if those are your assumption that those assumptions are incorrect.

P.S. SCOTT, sorry we hijacked your thread

oh well... :)

Discussion about any particular topic can, and often does, lead towards other topics. This is what makes open discussion interesting. I think Scott has gotten enough feedback to allow for him to make an informed decision and I see no rudeness or harm in venturing into other areas that this topic has steared. If we only answered each post with the same black and white answers, it would be rather boring.
Fred, I meant no disrespect of your Christian beliefs. I am not a Christian myself, but I was earlier in my life. I still lean towards a belief in God, but not in an evangelical format (I was a non-denominational evangelical). Many evangelical interpretations and statements regarding Christianity appear to me to be in conflict with it's own belief in scripture. At the moment, the Roman Catholic Church is something I'm strongly considering. I could explain further, but the anti-hijack crowd would get upset.
Red Rock, I apologize for talking too much on a discussion board.:eek: I'll try harder to use less discussion. Your comment about what Jesus would want us to do in regard to using our own thought process (intellectualizing) is strange. Do you suggest that we are not supposed to think? No reason, no thought, no judgement,....just scriptural reference? Hmm. Ok, but I really think that I'm the one living in reality. Besides, I've not said that scott shouldn't be helpful or concerned in regard to his neighbor. I'm being compartmentalized here because I suggested he mind his own business (due to the sometimes violent and bizarro nature of many people these days).
It's my opinion, nothing more. Scott is intelligent enough to make his own decision.

Basisl, I totally appreciate the discussion. I think we are having a good discussion. If then anti-hijack crowd gets too upset the moderators can let us know.

No offense taken, I do understand how sometimes people can feel that way.

My statement about intellectualizing the words of Jesus was based on on your posts connotation that people who believe in the authoriy of scripture don't think and that I was using a "word for word" literal interpretation, neither of which is true. We should be thinking and use our brains often. I think we just have a fundamental difference in who is the final authority.

I am sorry you feel you are being compartmentalized, but I do not understand how "mind your own busines" and being helpful go together. Those two statements seem to be in contradiction.

I am also sorry about your experience with evangelical christianity, and the contradictions you saw. Your reponses hint that you learned/ see evangelicals as unthinking and in contradiction with their own beliefs. As you have said, not "All" Christians agree about things and that is true even in evangelical circles. Based on my understanding and personal experience I do not see how that will be any different in the Catholic church.

May I suggest a couple things,
1. Think about and decide on what you do with Jesus? How do you respond to John 14:6ff?
2. Find someplace where they have the big core issues down and focus on those, not minor non core stuff.


Basils, thanks for the conversation. I always appreciate intelligent, well thought out converstations.

Remember 1 Cor 13, says I can have all kinds of "spiritual" things but without love it is all worthless.

Update:

Well, being subtle has not worked. Now there are a couple of problems. One, it's in the teens here @ night and the dog has no house or bedding. Occasionally, he has access to the garage, but still no bedding or dog house. Last night he slept in a 10'x 10' chainlink area, exposed on 2 sides to the wind, and no house or bedding-just grass.
Now the bigger problem. Last night, we caught one of the kids and a friend kicking the dog. My wife was furious, went out and went off on them. The grandmother came out and defended the kids (vicious dog she says) and locked the dog back in the small area. I have called my neighbor when the kids were abusing the dog, but apparently, it's not sinking in. I'm not big on yelling at other people's kids, but when they're hitting and kicking a puppy because he's nipping them, I go off. And it's not the dog's fault, it's the parents / owners. No training with either the dog or the children. Zero.

So, unfortunately, it's come to this: I will have a talk with my neighbor tonight and let him know that if we see the kids abusing the dog one more time, the call won't go to him, but to the Police (who can't stand him anyway since he's personnel manager). My hope is that he realizes he needs to find a home for the dog and we don't even have to revisit the 'leaving a puppy out in 15 degree temperatures' argument.

My wife had a very good point. When the dog finally get ticked off enough, he's big enough now to really hurt one of the kids-some of the kids playing over there are 4 or 5 and there is no adult supervision. The dog is probably close to 40 pounds now-he could tear them apart if he wanted. She doesn't want to have to be the one to call the ambulance when it happens.

screw your neighbor,

save that dog.

If the inhumane treatment continues, the dog will eventually need to be put down due to the lack of socialization. The animal will probably reach a point where he will never trust a human and become unadoptable because of it. Something needs to be done soon.

I commend your involvement, scott, and hope your efforts are successful.

According to Basils, mind your own business and when the dog mames or kills one of the kids, it's too late for everybody, including the dog who will be put down...

My recommendation would be to try and find someone yourself who would be willing to take in this dog. Then approach your neighbor and tell him it appears as if his life schedule doesn't seem to accomodate proper care of a dog with this dogs needs. Also let him know that the kids teasing and hitting/kicking the dog will most likely cause this dog to be aggressive toward them and could lead to serious safety concerns. Finally let him know that you think you know someone who would be extremely interested in taking this dog into their home should he decide he wants a little less in his life right now. I think you want to provide an entising way out for your neighbor. It may be what he is looking for with everything else going on...

My wife had learned of a Chow that a neighbor had that was in a similar situation and they were going to have the dog put down simply because they didn't want to care for it any longer and it had become aggressive. My wife found a new home for this dog and this dog went on to lead a full loving life in a completely different environment. For that entire dogs life, my wife had a little extra in her smile and desservedly so.

Scott do what YOU feel is right. At the end of the day, you and only you have to live with your actions, or lack of... Good luck and keep us posted. I know some of us are glad for your intervention and are looking forward to a good outcome. :D

Give me your address, I'll come take the dog.:mad:

Im with you LR,

that clown neighbor has had enough chances.

I cant stand folks who abuse animals. You know what they say, you have to look out for folks who abuse animals, thats one of the first signs of being a serial killer..

Update-Good News...

Just went over and had a civil conversation with my neighbor, and he had heard what happened last night. He started looking for a new home for the dog today, and thinks he has found an uncle that can take him. I approached it as the liability he has with the kids and neighbor's kids playing with the dog, and he understood. I think he still feels it's the dog's fault becasue he bites, but as long as the dog gets a new home where he gets attention, training, and a warm place to sleep I am happy. I have no intention of placing blame as long as the situation is resolved.

And thanks to all who posted in this thread and encouraged me to find a resolution-it's not that easy to do when it's someone you've known since grade school and is now your neighbor. I hate meddling in other's lives, but we could not stand to see the dog being abused through absolutely no fault of his own.

Must be nice to know that your city MANAGER doesn't know how to manage a puppy. Pics of the abuse might be worth a pretty penny to his opponent during the next election.

Scott, great job, I know it had to be tough, but you handled it well and hopefully the dog will be better off now.

According to Basils, mind your own business and when the dog mames or kills one of the kids, it's too late for everybody, including the dog who will be put down...

And the personal attack towards me is for what reason? Simply because you disagree with me? First of all, when I submitted my opinion of 'minding your own business', no mention of, or threat of the dog 'maming' or 'killing' a child was even part of the picture. Your exaggerations are misplaced and humurous.

I think he still feels it's the dog's fault becasue he bites

All puppies bite, especially when there puppies!! There baby teeth fall out and grow adult teeth. During this process they love chew toys, kongs, rawhide chewies anything to teeth on. Training during this critical time teaches a dog what they are biting into to, ie differentiates between a toy and hand.

This dog is definitly not in the right hands.

The owners definitly need training....

And the personal attack towards me is for what reason? Simply because you disagree with me? First of all, when I submitted my opinion of 'minding your own business', no mention of, or threat of the dog 'maming' or 'killing' a child was even part of the picture. Your exaggerations are misplaced and humurous.

I haven't been on this board in a few months but once I read this post I had to post. Basil I'm not attacking you but your philosophy of "mind your own business" is absurd. If everyone minded their own business we would be alot worse than we are now. Imagine if you ever broke down on the side of the road (not in the RL of course :)) and you had no cell phone reception and you were in the middle of nowhere and it was snowing with temps in the single digits and everyone that drove by "MINDED THEIR OWN BUSINESS"???? Besides I bet if that dog nipped or bit you or a loved one you wouldn't mind your own business after that would you?????
And for the guy that said Dogs are born to sleep outside???? Yea um technically humans slept outside at one time so the same arguement could be made for humans. Why don't you go sleep outside and let me know how it is....Bottom line...Dogs are pack animals...they need to be INCLUDED in their pack and the means sleeping in the same "DEN" (house) as their pack leader (YOU).....anyone who thinks differently should not have a dog IMO.

I also wanted to extend a congrats and thanks to Scott for givign this dog a 2nd chance. I'm glad the owner is doing the RIGHT THING and giving the dog a chance at being a dog!

Dogs are pack animals...they need to be INCLUDED in their pack and the means sleeping in the same "DEN" (house) as their pack leader (YOU).....anyone who thinks differently should not have a dog IMO.
There's a ton of good reasons why these noble creatures are often referred to as "man's best friend" and they generally show more kindness and forgiveness than a great many of their "owners". Kudos to Scott for being both a good neighbor and a friend to our friends. He and those like him are welcome at my fireside anytime!

And the personal attack towards me is for what reason? Simply because you disagree with me? First of all, when I submitted my opinion of 'minding your own business', no mention of, or threat of the dog 'maming' or 'killing' a child was even part of the picture. Your exaggerations are misplaced and humurous.
Another weak attempt at stirring the pot basils. You found a personal attack here? Ok...
I simply stated your "mind your own business" remark and followed with what "MY" opinion is of the consequences. I was attacked by a vicious dog as a child and know both the physical and emotional damage that can be done first hand. So my exaggerations are far from missplaced and why am I not surprised you find it humurous...:rolleyes:

Way to go Scott... Nicely done. And now I'm sure you feel a whole lot better about things... :D

I haven't been on this board in a few months but once I read this post I had to post. Basil I'm not attacking you but your philosophy of "mind your own business" is absurd. If everyone minded their own business we would be alot worse than we are now. Imagine if you ever broke down on the side of the road (not in the RL of course ) and you had no cell phone reception and you were in the middle of nowhere and it was snowing with temps in the single digits and everyone that drove by "MINDED THEIR OWN BUSINESS"???? Besides I bet if that dog nipped or bit you or a loved one you wouldn't mind your own business after that would you?????

Molsonman,
Why are you intimating that my four word statement of, 'mind your own business', was a blanket reply towards EVERY and ALL circumstances??? And what does it have to do with ignoring a person in need? It is odd when you and others, in some sort of misinterpretational (intentional or not) free for all, take something I stated TOTALLY out of context, and use it in some bizarro and twisted scenario. If you would re-read the posts and try and understand that my 'mind your own business' response was in direct correlation to a CERTAIN set of circumstances AND NOT a blanket statement to cover the ENTIRE HUMAN CONDITION!
And yes, I have had a dog or two bite the heck out of me on occasion. So what's the point about that? If it was a seriously dangerous dog, then yes, OF COURSE I would do something about it. I believe I DID say that if 'NO LAWS HAD BEEN BROKEN', then given what the posted had stated, minding ones own business may be a good idea. If you disagree, then that's fine. But please don't mischaracterize me or make posts suggesting that I am not a helpful or involved citizen.
Another weak attempt at stirring the pot basils.
Brich,
A what? So, simply because I choose another opinion I'm 'stirring the pot'? Are you trying to say that I'm a 'troll' and that all I post are 'pot stirring' messages? Have you bothered to look up my posting history? In all honesty I know that I often have my own opinions about things, but to identify me as a 'pot stirrer' is unfair and rather inflammatory. Maybe you can get the torches and the rest of the board members that agree with you, and chase me away?! Sorry, but I'm not afraid to express my opinions.....even if I upset the majority.
I was attacked by a vicious dog as a child and know both the physical and emotional damage that can be done first hand.
Ok, so you were attacked by a dog. I'm sorry. What else do you want me to say? I really don't see how this effects the discussion or my original opinion.

And for the guy that said Dogs are born to sleep outside???? Yea um technically humans slept outside at one time so the same arguement could be made for humans. Why don't you go sleep outside and let me know how it is....Bottom line...Dogs are pack animals...they need to be INCLUDED in their pack and the means sleeping in the same "DEN" (house) as their pack leader (YOU).....anyone who thinks differently should not have a dog IMO.That would be me. Let the dog learn to build a house. :D I guess I should let the deer in my neighborhood come inside to sleep too? And the birds? And snakes? And spiders, oh wait, they already come in. :eek: I could go on, and on, but I think you get the point.

Humans found shelter in caves, etc in the old days. They don't have the fur and natural protection the dogs (and other animals) do. Not to mention that some dogs ARE TOO BIG to sleep inside.

The guy should have made a (dog) house available for the dog to sleep in. The kids should not be kicking the dog...I'm glad he's finding a new home for it. Had this information (the kicking/abuse) been available from the beginning, I don't think anyone would have said to "mind your own business."

MY GOSH!!!! Thank you SWAMP! I was wondering when SOMEBODY would understand my 'business' comment! You sir are a freakin GENIUS!!!:p :D
I would love to buy you a beer!;)

Update-Good News...

Just went over and had a civil conversation with my neighbor, and he had heard what happened last night. He started looking for a new home for the dog today, and thinks he has found an uncle that can take him. I approached it as the liability he has with the kids and neighbor's kids playing with the dog, and he understood. I think he still feels it's the dog's fault becasue he bites, but as long as the dog gets a new home where he gets attention, training, and a warm place to sleep I am happy. I have no intention of placing blame as long as the situation is resolved.

And thanks to all who posted in this thread and encouraged me to find a resolution-it's not that easy to do when it's someone you've known since grade school and is now your neighbor. I hate meddling in other's lives, but we could not stand to see the dog being abused through absolutely no fault of his own.

Scott - You did good ! :)

MY GOSH!!!! Thank you SWAMP! I was wondering when SOMEBODY would understand my 'business' comment! You sir are a freakin GENIUS!!!:p :D
I would love to buy you a beer!;)I'd love to drink one.

You know, I've been thinking about my earlier comment and decided we should let deer sleep inside, so I went out tonight and found 4, but could only get one of them in the house. She's really not been any problem at all, except for trying to eat our tree and gifts (the few already under the tree). If this works out, then we may let the dog in too. :D

Ignoring a witnessed case of dog abuse would have been a bad way to handle the problem....I'm glad you got involved. Just be VERY careful when approaching some people that you don't know as well as your neighbor. I've seen many dirt-bags that only own dogs as 'protection'. Some of these idiots would'nt think twice about letting their dog attack you. I recall seeing an animal control officer getting badly bitten when the owner purposely sent her dog after them. The officer ended up needing serious medical care. The dog was put down and the owner got jail time.:cool:

If this works out, then we may let the dog in too.
:p :D Funny Swamp!! (But that deer doesn't seem to be minding it's own business.....:D ).

:D Lol....what a cute shot!

Wants nothing to do with indoors.:eek: Am I in trouble now.:D

Now that's a chili dog!:p

The dog was put down and the owner got jail time.:cool: Should have been the other way around.

That would be me. Let the dog learn to build a house. :D I guess I should let the deer in my neighborhood come inside to sleep too? And the birds? And snakes? And spiders, oh wait, they already come in. :eek: I could go on, and on, but I think you get the point.

Humans found shelter in caves, etc in the old days. They don't have the fur and natural protection the dogs (and other animals) do. Not to mention that some dogs ARE TOO BIG to sleep inside.

I hope your remarks are due to a lack of knowledge and are not as cruel as they sound. The animals you refer to are products of natural selection and have adapted either to survival in cold conditions or techniques to avoid them. Dogs, on the other hand, are the product of thousands of years of man's meddling in their reproduction to a achieve an end result that they desire. While all dogs have descended from wolves, breeds like the Chihuahua bear little resemblance to their ancestors and would not survive a single night in severe weather. Nor would any other toy breed. Yes, there are many breeds that would have no trouble living outside, but these are dogs that retain the natural double coat that wolves have. Most single coated dogs either can't survive severe weather or would be extremely uncomfortable if they did. These breeds no longer have the "natural protection" you refer to.
While I don't think you should invite the deer in, are you not aware that thousands of deer die every winter due to severe weather, even though they have "fur and natural protection".
And the birds? Again, some birds are superbly adapted to cold weather, but hundreds of other species either live only in tropical climates or migrate thousands of miles to reach warmer climates in the winter time. Dogs don't have that option.
And snakes? Have you ever seen a snake in the winter time? Snakes are cold blooded and if they couldn't find a place underground warm enough to sustain their body temperature, they too would die.
Why do you think the spiders come inside? Because they like your company?
If you do have a dog, I sincerely hope it is a breed that can handle the type of life you think it deserves.

As far as inside vs. outside, my big problem with it is that he's a puppy! At just a few months old, they are not able to regulate their body temperature like an adult dog. I did a lot of research on line to make sure I was correct, and found a number of stories of people finding dogs that had fallen asleep on bare concrete and the concrete literally drew the heat out of them and they froze.

Otay - you should write a book to.:rolleyes: Do you really think were THAT STUPID.LOL! That's what I was thinking!

And Webwader, we let our dog sleep in the garage when the temps are supposed to be below 30. If it weren't for us, the dog probably would have been dead long ago as he had no home at all.:mad:

Otay - you should write a book to.:rolleyes: Do you really think were THAT STUPID.
If I were to judge by your spelling and grammar....

Swampler, if you aren't that stupid, why continue to maintain that dogs are meant to sleep outside and make comparisons that make no sense. You may not be stupid, but you must be insensitive.

I love Neighbor Dogs, I can take them or leave them "ANYWHERE"

;) :p :rolleyes:

LOL! That's what I was thinking!

And Webwader, we let our dog sleep in the garage when the temps are supposed to be below 30. If it weren't for us, the dog probably would have been dead long ago as he had no home at all.:mad:

I didn't know garages are "supposed" to be below 30. I better check into mine. I have a problem.:o

If I were to judge by your spelling and grammar....

Swampler, if you aren't that stupid, why continue to maintain that dogs are meant to sleep outside and make comparisons that make no sense. You may not be stupid, but you must be insensitive.How's it insensitive to bring the dog out of the sub-30 temps into a nice warm, sheltered garage? You must be a tree hugger? :confused:

. Not to mention that some dogs ARE TOO BIG to sleep inside.

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No dog is to big to sleep inside!:rolleyes: As stated eariler dogs are pack animals, when you take on the responceability of owening a dog you become "leader of the pack". And as leader it falls on you to let the dog know what is expected from it. Our dogs are members of our family and as such they get treated like I would treat my kids. And to all the bible thumpers remember what DOG spelled backword is:cool: I quote Dave Barry "You can say any fool thing to a dog, and the dog will give you this look that says, "My God, your RIGHT! I NEVER would've thought of that";) P.S. Whats wrong with being a "tree hugger"???

No dog is to big to sleep inside!images/smilies/rolleyes.gif Umm, OK. I disagree, but whatever. As stated eariler dogs are pack animals, when you take on the responceability of owening a dog you become "leader of the pack". And as leader it falls on you to let the dog know what is expected from it. I do...I expect him to sleep outside in the appropriate accomodations provided for him. Unless the weather is severe, then I expect him to sleep in the garage and not poop there.
Whats wrong with being a "tree hugger"???If I have to explain it... :rolleyes:

If I have to explain it... :rolleyes:
YA!! Explain It! You have to be the most contrary person I've met on the ROC!

YA!! Explain It! You have to be the most contrary person I've met on the ROC!Sorry, didn't know we'd met.

Sorry, didn't know we'd met.
Sorry I used the wrong phraseing, I ment incountered:rolleyes:

damn,

I was hoping the neighbor was going to get chained up outside for a few nights....

Maybe that would teach him what it feels like, and maybe teach him that kicking a dog is not the answer to anything. (the kid had to learn kicking a dog was ok from someone...)

Northernlights posted:
That hurts :mad:! Kind of like a sucker punch or getting kicked in the nuts.
If you had not responded with a smart a$$ answer to a post that was in no way addressed to you, you wouldn't have gotten that response.

Smart a$$ answer?:rolleyes: Go take your pills.
How long will your last post stay on the board before you delete it? I would normally address a strange situation like this via PM or e-mail, but I see you don't accept them. A real hit and run artist.

Shame, a perfectly good thread is now ruined.

How's it insensitive to bring the dog out of the sub-30 temps into a nice warm, sheltered garage? You must be a tree hugger?
If you want to put a label on me, you might want to select something that actually pertains to the humane treatment of animals in our care. A tree hugger is defined as:
n. Informal.
An environmentalist, especially one who supports the preservation of forested land and the restriction of logging.

I responded to the following post.
That would be me. Let the dog learn to build a house. :D I guess I should let the deer in my neighborhood come inside to sleep too? And the birds? And snakes? And spiders, oh wait, they already come in. :eek: I could go on, and on, but I think you get the point.

Humans found shelter in caves, etc in the old days. They don't have the fur and natural protection the dogs (and other animals) do. Not to mention that some dogs ARE TOO BIG to sleep inside.
Nowhere does it state that you even have dog, just that dogs should sleep outside. The post showing what a big heart you have by letting the dog into the garage during subfreezing temperatures was posted subsequent to my post. A little revisionist history. He must be tremendously grateful when he has the opportunity to actually have some social contact with his master.

Webby,

It's not worth arguing about, but I did state I let the dog in the garage on sub-30 degree nights before you called me stupid, and then subsequently revised it from stupid to insensitive. I believe that was on page 8 of this thread. Maybe you just missed it?

Now tell me, does this cute little dog look abused? He's safely in the garage now, after spending the last few hours indoors. Which, btw, was proceeded by us going for a 1.1 mile run together in the 20 degree temps (10 degree wind chill).

http://static.flickr.com/121/296981822_0a66fc2922.jpg

Swapler, I don't care to argue either, but I would like to point out that I may have called you insensitive, but I never called you stupid. That word was brought up by northernlights, who subsequently erased his post. Please reread my post.

Web u better rereed ur post. U r 1 sik man. eye hav notist uve ben doin som editin urself.
ENOUGH! If you can't say anything nice...well, you fill in the rest. I and many many other are tired of your constant negative posts. This goes to you northernlights and anyone else who feels the need to belittle people. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Please.

It's easier that what you said LR. If you see a new post on this thread you don't have to read it. If you are tired of reading about one person blaming another and another and so on.......just don't click.

But i do agree enough is enough and we can't "make" others "take" our views.

SO.....
A Nun, a Priest and an Irishman walk into a bar... :D

SO.....
A Nun, a Priest and an Irishman walk into a bar... :D

and the bartender says " ";)

and the bartender says " ";)
"Which one of you left that dog tied up outside?"


:eek:
Meant to say "Which one of you drive's that not real truckparked outside with the body wrinkles?..." :p

pretty soon their will be no threads about:

politics
religion
pets

because of the emotion/heated discussions they breed. That and the chest thumping by some that seems to accompany, and ruin such topics.

Usually I'm involved in the middle of this type of 'conversation'. It feels kind of good to know that it's not me this time!:)
Honestly though, why lock the thread just because of a heated discussion? Just keep the language at bay and have at it. Eventually it will get tiresome by the participants and then it will die on the vine. Closing it down will only set the stage for another argument (ala the Versaille Treaty). As long as it's not ruining the entire discourse of the board (which I do not feel it is), perhaps letting it settle on it's own will work?
Just my 1.5 cents.

Usually I'm involved in the middle of this type of 'conversation'. It feels kind of good to know that it's not me this time!:) Yea, but you started it! ;) Joking, of course.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm done with it.

:mad: Smart-butt!:D

I dont think a thread like this, or really any thread should be locked. We are all supposed to be adults here.

What is needed is some more civility, and for some folks to check their egos, and self proclaimed expertise on any and every subject under the sun @ the door.

bottom line the dog hopefully has a home now that cherishes him or her a member of the family.

I don't ask for it to be locked or deleted. I just ask, as many do, to please keep it civil. Debate is good if maturity prevails.

Handsome dog.

He's gonna be a big boy..



Chow's are naturally agressive to a degree and w/o training/socializing he will bite one day. That mix of breeds should really only be handled by someone with time,knowledge and patience..

Poor dog..


He looks lonely. :(

I don't ask for it to be locked or deleted. I just ask, as many do, to please keep it civil. Debate is good if maturity prevails.
I agree Lady. But it's good to remember that civility and what constitutes mature communication differs from person to person. I believe that strong opinions, passionate beliefs, and even the occasional 'jab' can create a more stimulating conversation than coffee-table chit chat. While I know that many here feel that I'm neither mature nor civil in some of my postings, I've tried to admit when I've gone over the line. For the most part this board has very decent (civil....my definition) discourse. When things get a tad heated I would suggest that those that don't wish to debate any longer simply stop posting in that thread. But I certainly would agree that allowing this type of thread to become 'common' would be a mistake. Mild jabs, arguing, and disagreement do make for interesting reading though. :cool:

I agree Lady. But it's good to remember that civility and what constitutes mature communication differs from person to person. I believe that strong opinions, passionate beliefs, and even the occasional 'jab' can create a more stimulating conversation than coffee-table chit chat. While I know that many here feel that I'm neither mature nor civil in some of my postings, I've tried to admit when I've gone over the line. For the most part this board has very decent (civil....my definition) discourse. When things get a tad heated I would suggest that those that don't wish to debate any longer simply stop posting in that thread. But I certainly would agree that allowing this type of thread to become 'common' would be a mistake. Mild jabs, arguing, and disagreement do make for interesting reading though. :cool:
I agree with you basils, and you do just fine.

maybe if I post the thread will die?;)

Sounds like most of us agree that we need civility. Let's stop talking about that and other "stuff" and go back to talking about the subject of this thread which happens to be: "Your take on neighbor's dog" ;)

Thanks all.

OK so I have a neighbor that Ive known for 10 years (nice guy). Four years ago he got two black labs. For those four years the animals have been kept in a fenced area 10feet by 10feet. Concrete floor no roof. Two very small dog houses are in their as well. People walking by have already told him that they would turn him in if he doesnt at least shade the kennel in the dead of summer. Nothing has been done about it. The dogs walk back and forth, back and forth ,back and forth all day long,you get the picture. He lets one dog out for about 5 min. maybe everyother day. The other dogs isnt as luckey (if you can call that luckey) as he never leave the cage. The caged one has attacked and bitten other dogs walking by as well as people. Hes had to pay for the vet bill for the other dog that was attacked, and luckey for him the person didnt need to see a doctor. Those were on separate occations. Its now getting cold out and the animals dont even get a door on there small house or hay or straw on the floor. They will never see the inside of the house or garage (some members of the family are allergic to the dogs hair). Dont even ask why they bought them in the first place. What would you do? Remember this has been going on for years know. Pardon my misspelling or grammer.:o

There are never easy answers in these types of situations. I try to put myself in other peoples shoes and it is beyond me how people can treat animals this way. If you are asking for an opinion I will give you mine. Don't do nothing. Do whatever you think is best to get those animals help. Call the police, the local animal shelter , or some agency you think can help. There ya go, my 2 cents.

We had a horrible place here that was right in visible view of the road. It was this ugly purple house with a 6 foot cyclone fence around the front with 7 dogs in the front yard, one doghouse and a couple mattress's about. There was always a junk car or two around the place. Several of us neighbors had complained for over 5 years about the condition those poor dogs lived in and we couldn't get any assitance from the county animal control or sherrifs. When the people were evicted a year ago , it was found that 7 people lived in this 5 room house in just the 2 front rooms without running water or electricity and the back 3 rooms were 6 feet high with garbage and the walls were filled with rat nests. The house had to be condemned and torn down by the new owner . Now that I think of the place , I think the dogs outside had it better, at least they had fresh air. One other house on that property had the wall built right on the ground and had dirt floors. All of us neighbors were quite suprised at how bad it was there, though we knew it was not good.

OK so I have a neighbor that Ive known for 10 years (nice guy). Four years ago he got two black labs. For those four years the animals have been kept in a fenced area 10feet by 10feet. Concrete floor no roof. Two very small dog houses are in their as well. People walking by have already told him that they would turn him in if he doesnt at least shade the kennel in the dead of summer. Nothing has been done about it. The dogs walk back and forth, back and forth ,back and forth all day long,you get the picture. He lets one dog out for about 5 min. maybe everyother day. The other dogs isnt as luckey (if you can call that luckey) as he never leave the cage. The caged one has attacked and bitten other dogs walking by as well as people. Hes had to pay for the vet bill for the other dog that was attacked, and luckey for him the person didnt need to see a doctor. Those were on separate occations. Its now getting cold out and the animals dont even get a door on there small house or hay or straw on the floor. They will never see the inside of the house or garage (some members of the family are allergic to the dogs hair). Dont even ask why they bought them in the first place. What would you do? Remember this has been going on for years know. Pardon my misspelling or grammer.:o
Call an animal shelter, a rescue shelter or the television station that loves to create havoc.

Nice going, northernlights. Hopefully once they check it out they will be able to rectify the situtation.

I dont see the DOGS anymore.
Let's hope that's a good sign.

I really wish people entered into pet ownership with the same consideration they give to having children. If the animal can't be part of the family/pack which means sleeping with the family, it shouldn't be owned. Packs only isolate another member of the pack when they are left to die. In doggie language he is being left to die when he is outside alone. It's fine for some breeds to sleep outside even in -30 degree weather as long as the owner sleeps outside with them. It's not the cold that's cruel to the dog, it's the isolation.

That's why we got a cat. He's not sleeping with us, but he is inside, in the warm home and he's treated with love and respect. Plus, he cleans himself which is nice. :)

We recently got a cat as well, or I guess I should say he got us. He's part of the family. He sometimes sleeps on our bed, but he'll just assume sleep somewhere else in the house. At about 6:00 am, he can usually be found sitting in front of your face purring.

We have two bischons that we just love and adore. They are kept inside our home and are very good dogs.

We rescued a kitten from our neighrbors backyard. We live in a condo complex and a friend heard a cat crying and thought it was one of our two, we told him it wasn't. Next day we were out BBQ'ing and heard it and saw a tiny kitten A couple weeks old in the yard of the condo behind us. Neighbor was out of town and didn't look like he cat was supposed to be there. We checked with a couple other neighbors and they new nothing so we jumped the fence and got the kitten. It was from a neighbor a few rows down and they didn't notice for about 4 days. We figured if it took them that long to notice the kitten was better off with us. Which broke our personal two pet rule (small condo), now we have three cats. Two of them are over 12 years and the third is about 6 months and he is great.

here is a picture of him a few months ago

Cutie! That's one lucky kitty.