How about Radar Jammers?

Does anyone here use Radar Jammers?

If so, what kind and how well do they work?

Worth the money?

Jammers can work very well, well enough to have you car impounded and you a visit to local lock up. At least that is supposed to happen here in Texas.

Much cheaper to simply drive the speed limit. ;)

Radar units can be put on 'hold' mode....making them undetectable until activated. By the time your jammer detects it, the officer will have already seen or locked in on your speed.

I always thought if your radar jammer works the cop will know you have it so they'll pull you over anyway. Best way to use your radar detector is to be sure you're following somone so the cop will check them first and your detector will pick up the signal, even if they do the "instant on' thing.

I've had the same detector for probably 12 or more years (Bel with Laser unit piggy-backed on top of the regular unit) and has done good, but sure don't like the false readings it always gets either at the store (automatic doors) or even out in the open (still don't know what sets it off there except maybe a stray microwave signal). Trains set it off now as they all have GPS tracking stuff on them. I've heard for years the Valentine detector is the best for detecting and for phasing out false signals, anyone know?

I always thought if your radar jammer works the cop will know you have it so they'll pull you over anyway. Best way to use your radar detector is to be sure you're following somone so the cop will check them first and your detector will pick up the signal, even if they do the "instant on' thing.

I've had the same detector for probably 12 or more years (Bel with Laser unit piggy-backed on top of the regular unit) and has done good, but sure don't like the false readings it always gets either at the store (automatic doors) or even out in the open (still don't know what sets it off there except maybe a stray microwave signal). Trains set it off now as they all have GPS tracking stuff on them. I've heard for years the Valentine detector is the best for detecting and for phasing out false signals, anyone know?


Valentine one is absolutely the best detector i have ever owned and i have owned a lot of them. I have now had my valentine for about 6 or 8 years and drive in the 80 to 95 range sometimes over 100 in my acura and don't get tickets. My brother bought a jammer once thinking he was jamming them but ended up getting lots of tickets. In my opinion they don't work period. at least the ones they try to sell the average car owner, maybe the real high dollar ones work and i am talking a couple of grand. My valentine one works flawlessly few false alarms with lots of advance warnings and the arrows tell ya where they are spraying from. great unit

Valentine one is absolutely the best detector i have ever owned and i have owned a lot of them. I have now had my valentine for about 6 or 8 years and drive in the 80 to 95 range sometimes over 100 in my acura and don't get tickets. My brother bought a jammer once thinking he was jamming them but ended up getting lots of tickets. In my opinion they don't work period. at least the ones they try to sell the average car owner, maybe the real high dollar ones work and i am talking a couple of grand. My valentine one works flawlessly few false alarms with lots of advance warnings and the arrows tell ya where they are spraying from. great unit


Time for the facts to come out as the radar theories come up on almost any forum.
Radar detectors ARE legal in ALL states. The cops will take them away from you but have to return them if you show up in court!
Fact 2 Laser detectors and jammers ARE legal as the FDA controls their use and existance, not the law enforcement guys!
I own 2 of the Escort 8500's and by far they top ant of the other brands that I use and or sell.
The BLINDER LASER JAMMER works the best out of anything I have seen also. I have personally had the Speedgun2 and several others in my hand and tried to get a lock on my own vehicle and it WON"T READ IT!!!~!

There have been multitudes of detectors and jammers out there but, I know Escort 8500 and Blinder Laser Jammers are the best there is, PERIOD

Don't even waste your time or money on the Rocky Mountain Phaser or other garbage units they put out as they DO NOT WORK!!!!!:D

Time for the facts to come out as the radar theories come up on almost any forum.
Radar detectors ARE legal in ALL states. The cops will take them away from you but have to return them if you show up in court!
Fact 2 Laser detectors and jammers ARE legal as the FDA controls their use and existance, not the law enforcement guys!
I own 2 of the Escort 8500's and by far they top ant of the other brands that I use and or sell.
The BLINDER LASER JAMMER works the best out of anything I have seen also. I have personally had the Speedgun2 and several others in my hand and tried to get a lock on my own vehicle and it WON"T READ IT!!!~!

There have been multitudes of detectors and jammers out there but, I know Escort 8500 and Blinder Laser Jammers are the best there is, PERIOD

Don't even waste your time or money on the Rocky Mountain Phaser or other garbage units they put out as they DO NOT WORK!!!!!:D

Hold it. Let's get to the real facts!

Radar detectors are flat out illegal in both Virginia and Washington, DC. Additionally they are illegal in Illinois for commercial vehicles of 26,001 pounds or greater, New York in commercial vehicles 10,000 pounds and greater (and any vehicle 18,000 pounds and greater), and Minnesota prohibits radar detectors in the front windshield.

The "FDA" (Food and Drug Administration) does not regulate radar jammers, the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) does.

ALL radar jammers (true active jammers) are illegal in the USA. Period. I won't bother to list all the radar frequencies, but any radiated emission in those frequencies must be licensed by the FCC. The FCC has never issued a single license for a radar jammer of any kind and thus they are illegal. No state can pass a law allowing such devices.

This is the only true radar jammer out there:

Now that the facts are out of the way... I'll pass on my personal thougts.

I own and ocassionally use a Valentine One. Usually on long trips. I find nothing wrong with using a radar detector.

Anyone that uses an active radar jammer should be in prison. The devices throw out a broad spectrum of radio signals that interfere with many legitimate signals. They are unlicensed devices that can cause serious injury or death to innocent people.

There are a variety of these illegal import devices sold bootleg at many truck stops. There's no legitimate use for such a device.

This is the only true radar jammer out there:

I understand your analogy, but in fact stealth technology is the opposite of radar jamming. They go to great lengths to reduce or eliminate radiated signals. The aircraft either deflects or absorbs radar signals.

Compare it to a submarine. They have two kinds of SONAR. Active and passive. Active SONAR is almost never used... they use passive. It's better to be silent and LISTEN than to radiate any signals.

A radiated signal can be detected at distance much greater than what is effective for the radiator.

In the old days of X-band microwave technology, there was a vast selection of home-made devices used to jam the radar signal. Here are two that I can remember off-hand:

1) C-minor tuning forks bolted to the chassis so that oscillations were produced thru the rough roads

2) Microwave oven collector plates wired to the vehicle's electrical system

Cismo, Please re-read my part about LASER JAMERS being regulated by the FDA. That IS a true fact. It is also proven that if you go to court in Virginia you WILL get your radar detector back. I do agree that Radar Jammers only exist in high dollar units such as the armed services use. Have you ever had your detector go off because somebody with an inferior unit is near you and slamming the radio waves with garbage? Many of the cheap units will do this.

I ONLY stated LASER was regulated by the FDA........:eek:

Here's a FACT for you. On my way down to Bristol, TN in a rented Volve, I got stopped by a VA state trooper for 81 in a 65 with my 8500 on the dash. I was going a bit faster, but he got me with instant-on. The ticket I got was for speeding and for using an illegal radar detector. He knew I had it but he never asked for it.

After researching the internet, I think Jake has the best point.

Radar Detector is not the same as a radar jammer which is not the same as a laser jammer.

Cismo, Please re-read my part about LASER JAMERS being regulated by the FDA. That IS a true fact. It is also proven that if you go to court in Virginia you WILL get your radar detector back. I do agree that Radar Jammers only exist in high dollar units such as the armed services use. Have you ever had your detector go off because somebody with an inferior unit is near you and slamming the radio waves with garbage? Many of the cheap units will do this.

I ONLY stated LASER was regulated by the FDA........:eek:

My apologies about confusing the laser/radar in your statement.

As for getting a radar detector back, or not in Virginia... that would be up to the judge. Some may give them back, some may not. Either way your statement that "Radar detectors ARE legal in ALL states" is simply not true.

The cop never even asked for it.

Radar or laser detectors are illegal on Air Force Academy property. I would assume that this would be true of all millitary bases, but I don't know for sure.

Roak

I was riding down a road in the Air Force Academy on my mt. bike last year. An MP on the side of the road in a truck with a radar gun announced on his loud speaker as I rode by, "17 miles per hour", with a big smile on his face. :)
Gotta love a sense of humor!

[QUOTE=csimo;186118] I find nothing wrong with using a radar detector. .... There are a variety of these illegal import devices (jammers) sold bootleg at many truck stops. There's no legitimate use for such a device. QUOTE]

Don't mean to sound judgemental... well, ok, yeah, I do.... Explain then the legitimate use of a radar detector. You are deliberately breaking a law and employing a device to evade detection. When the jammers perfect their technology so they don't spray random interference are you going to support that form of lawlessness too? There are reasons they make laws. So, some are foolish, out if date or absurd. If you think they are wrong get them changed. Don't ignore them at your whim or convenience or purposely subvert them.

Sorry for jumping on you in particular, Csimo, but this is a hot button topic for me.

I was riding down a road in the Air Force Academy on my mt. bike last year. An MP on the side of the road in a truck with a radar gun announced on his loud speaker as I rode by, "17 miles per hour", with a big smile on his face. :)
Gotta love a sense of humor!

Yeah. That is funny :D

Explain then the legitimate use of a radar detector. You are deliberately breaking a law and employing a device to evade detection.

I want to know where the cops are. I may or may not be breaking the law. Radar detectors are legal in MA. So what's the problem?

Speed patrols are nothing more than revenue generation for cities and towns. Same with construction details. They are a total waste of taxpayers money couched in the veil of "safety".

[quote=csimo;186118] I find nothing wrong with using a radar detector. .... There are a variety of these illegal import devices (jammers) sold bootleg at many truck stops. There's no legitimate use for such a device. QUOTE]

Don't mean to sound judgemental... well, ok, yeah, I do.... Explain then the legitimate use of a radar detector. You are deliberately breaking a law and employing a device to evade detection. When the jammers perfect their technology so they don't spray random interference are you going to support that form of lawlessness too? There are reasons they make laws. So, some are foolish, out if date or absurd. If you think they are wrong get them changed. Don't ignore them at your whim or convenience or purposely subvert them.

Sorry for jumping on you in particular, Csimo, but this is a hot button topic for me.

The use of a radar detector is not illegal (except in certain states and/or commercial vehicles). Just because a person has one, or uses one does not automatically mean they intend to speed. In reality I rarely exeed the speed limit by 5mph with or without a radar detector... I'm just not in that big of a hurry anymore.

Why do I use one from time to time? Same reason I sometimes use the navigation system when I know exactly where I'm going. I like gadgets.

I can tell you this... a time or two I've already been warned by my radar detector when I see some speeding fool in front of me (who apparently doesn't have a detector) slam on his/her brakes when he/she sees the cop.

As for the active radar jammers. I sincerely doubt there will ever be a legal one. If for some reason the laws are changed and an approved device is sold then I would have to change my opinion. I don't mean to turn this in to a political discussion, but as a constitutionalist I feel I have to support individual freedoms.... even if I personally disagree with them.

... as a constitutionalist I feel I have to support individual freedoms.... even if I personally disagree with them.

I am right there with you CSIMO... And for the very same reasons.

Shovelhd and Csimo... that is such incredible bull ****. how can you post that without a smilie as a caveate? You can't be serious. You both want to break the law. If you think the law is bad... well, so be it. But, don't imply you're not intending to break the law.

My valentine 1 has saved me many, many times...Its worth its weight in gold!:D

Shovelhd and Csimo... that is such incredible bull ****. how can you post that without a smilie as a caveate? You can't be serious. You both want to break the law. If you think the law is bad... well, so be it. But, don't imply you're not intending to break the law.

You're free to believe anything you want. I have no reason to lie here or anywhere else.

I use a radar detector maybe two or three times a year. The last speeding ticket I received was over 25 years ago. If I made a habit of speeding I'm pretty darn good at getting away with it.

The first radar detector I ever bought was a Whistler. It was a new model on the market, not even a superheterodyne design. It was much better than the dominant detector of the time... the FuzzBuster. We only had to deal with X-band radar at the time. K-band devices were introduced to defeat these products, thus the beginning of the cat and mouse game still going on today.

Csimo (and Shovelhead). I don't agree with you in the least bit. But, I'll try and be more respectful in future responses. I regretted the tone of that reply after reflecting on it the next day. My apologies.

Csimo (and Shovelhead). I don't agree with you in the least bit. But, I'll try and be more respectful in future responses. I regretted the tone of that reply after reflecting on it the next day. My apologies.

Nothing to worry about. Everyone is entitled to their opinon. I guarantee you I'll never force you to use a radar detector.

If words could kill I'd have been dead long ago!

i've never used a radar/laser detector however i catch many people with them.. all kinds.. i personally think they are a waste of money..i don't care if a motorist employs one.. most of the time i don't even acknowledge that i see it on their visor or dash.. i will tell you that when i do catch them they certainly don't get a break or warning for speeding.. i may start asking the motorist what type they have so at some point i can list all the detectors that failed to detect me in time... the only way they save you (as you guys put it) is if you are NOT the target vehicle..if you are the target vehicle i have your speed before or at the same time your detector notifies you... radar and laser units all have hold buttons and they are not transmitting at that time.. when i am ready to use it, i have the speed in a snap.. your detector also can't protect you from a patrol pacing your vehicle or the officers visual estimate of you speeding..good luck fellas
speed kills - drive safe..

i've never used a radar/laser detector

Really? I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked.

;)

Really? I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked.

;)

Yeah, it's amazing what a FOP card, sticker, or tag badge will do for ya.

i've never used a radar/laser detector however i catch many people with them.. all kinds.. i personally think they are a waste of money..

So, have you ever pointed a laser (not radar) at a vehicle and got no reading?

Just curious if the laser jammers work as they say they do.

speed kills - drive safe..

I would like to comment on this. Speed Kills is only true if it is referring to Methamphetamines. Driving at an unsafe speed for the conditions may kill but not the speed itself.

Posted speed limits have nothing to do with what is safe. They are artificially low to generate revenue for governments. I have no qualms about driving faster than posted speed limits as long as I am driving at a speed that is safe for current conditions. And using a radar detector to avoid the speed tax is no different that claiming a legitimate deduction on your federal tax forms.

So, have you ever pointed a laser (not radar) at a vehicle and got no reading?

Just curious if the laser jammers work as they say they do.


I have personally had the Speed Gun ll in my hand and tried to get a reading on my Blinder Laser Jammer while my buddy was driving it. No way did it even get a lock. It did however show JTG on some of the different Laser Guns. (JTG = Jam To Gun):eek:

So, have you ever pointed a laser (not radar) at a vehicle and got no reading?

Just curious if the laser jammers work as they say they do.

We use the Marksman LTI 20/20. If someone had a true laser jammer, we would receive an error code of E07 - Measurement error. Optical interference accompanied by a "warble tone" indicating a laser jammer. I personally never received this code/tone and i have stopped many people with many different electronic toys. (never asked if they were using radar/laser detector or jammer - didn't care..) We are required to make an independent visual speed estimate of your vehicle prior to obtaining your speed with whatever technology we are using. If I made an independent visual speed estimate of a vehicle and was unable to obtain a speed reading of that vehicle because of a jammer, I would still stop the vehicle and write a summons for speeding based on my visual est.

I would like to comment on this. Speed Kills is only true if it is referring to Methamphetamines. Driving at an unsafe speed for the conditions may kill but not the speed itself.

Posted speed limits have nothing to do with what is safe. They are artificially low to generate revenue for governments. I have no qualms about driving faster than posted speed limits as long as I am driving at a speed that is safe for current conditions. And using a radar detector to avoid the speed tax is no different that claiming a legitimate deduction on your federal tax forms.

Driving at an unsafe speed for the conditions may kill but not the speed itself. (I agree with this Statement) However, keep in mind the chances of surviving a crash at a higher speed are much slimmer for those involved. I see it first hand. (reason for speed kills). (drive safe for conditions) - they are numerous.. road conditions, weather conditions, traffic conditions, vehicle conditions, drivers physical conditions, drivers mental conditions, etc. Unfortunately there are alot of people that are on the roads without the sensability to adjust their speed for conditions. Speed is almost always a factor in the majority of collisions.
I've read that in the early 70s after the oil shock of 73 the United States Gov't lowered the speed limit to 55mph in an effort to save fuel. I don't argue that the Gov't collects and enormous amount of revenue through summones, however, I don't think that is the reason why the speed limit remains at 55mph.. I'm not an armed tax collector or highwayman robbing you of your hard earned money.. The Gov't has an obligation to protect the public and that is through creating laws and having the police enforce them. Traffic laws were created for the safe flow of traffic which are aimed to reduce injuries and deaths. We can't have chaos out there..We have enough people ignoring the rules of the road. Listen, I'm not saying I agree with a 55 mph limit. I honestly believe it should be increased. I don't know any cop that writes a ticket less than 70 mph. That is about what the flow of traffic is on long island anyway. And most cops speed tolerances are higher. So if you feel the need to go well above that then expect a summons. The engineers that designed a roadway know what a safe speed for that roadway he/she created is for all conditions.. I think Gov't should use that information in determining a higher limit. Some states have increased their limits and the results have been positive. Some adjust the limits to conditions. However, some roads on long island,like the parkways, are horrible. The parkway system is old and should be replaced.(This will never happen though) It wasn't designed for high speed traffic. It was a leisure route to the parks. Anyway DRIVE SAFE and hopefully we never meet on the side of the road.

All the information you need to know about radar/laser guns, detectors, and jammers can be found at www.guysoflidar.com

These people do test after test on everything! The short list goes like:

Radar detectors are a "you get what you pay for" device. Hands down.

Radar jammers don't work, except for one, and it is called the Scorpion Jammer. Oh yeah, it's illegal in all 50 states. And the customer service is sketchy at best.

Laser detectors are a "you get what you pay for" device also. However, if youre laser detector does go off, it's basically warning you that you just got a ticket.

Laser jammers. Now this is the most interesting topic. Laser jammers DO WORK! And they are legal in most states. I suggest reading the laser test done very recently at the GOL site I listed in the first sentence.

I would like to comment on this. Speed Kills is only true if it is referring to Methamphetamines. Driving at an unsafe speed for the conditions may kill but not the speed itself.

Posted speed limits have nothing to do with what is safe. They are artificially low to generate revenue for governments. I have no qualms about driving faster than posted speed limits as long as I am driving at a speed that is safe for current conditions. And using a radar detector to avoid the speed tax is no different that claiming a legitimate deduction on your federal tax forms.
I agree, the morons that drive 10 under in the left lane are more of a hazard, I use a passport 8400 its great and gives me about a half mile warning as long as Im not shot.

We use the Marksman LTI 20/20. If someone had a true laser jammer, we would receive an error code of E07 - Measurement error. Optical interference accompanied by a "warble tone" indicating a laser jammer. I personally never received this code/tone and i have stopped many people with many different electronic toys. (never asked if they were using radar/laser detector or jammer - didn't care..) We are required to make an independent visual speed estimate of your vehicle prior to obtaining your speed with whatever technology we are using. If I made an independent visual speed estimate of a vehicle and was unable to obtain a speed reading of that vehicle because of a jammer, I would still stop the vehicle and write a summons for speeding based on my visual est.

I have a question. In your state (NY) would a ticket for speeding based on a visual estimate withstand a challenge in court? I just don't see how a visual estimate is accurate, no matter what training you have. A stopwatch against reference marks would work, but simply judging 66 MPH in a 55 MPH seems difficult to do accurately enough to defeat a legal challenge.

I have a question. In your state (NY) would a ticket for speeding based on a visual estimate withstand a challenge in court? I just don't see how a visual estimate is accurate, no matter what training you have. A stopwatch against reference marks would work, but simply judging 66 MPH in a 55 MPH seems difficult to do accurately enough to defeat a legal challenge.

Visual est. alone depends on what court and what judge. Some judges don't allow it. others do. either way it will waste your day to go to court to find out.

either way it will waste your day to go to court to find out.
Touché!

Well played.

I too use a valentine one and have NEVER gotten a ticket with it. I have the remote display and would highly reccomend it!:D

In order to be a certified radar operator in NJ you must estimate the speed of 10 consecutive vehicles and be within 3 m.p.h., high or low, of the actual speed. The instructor has the counting unit and can see the actual speed of the cars. Basically, depending on training and experience, the Court will / can accept that a radar operator has a "calibrated eyeball", and accept thier speed estimation. Most Departments wait 2 years or more before they have a new officer do thier radar certification. They're riding around with the radar during this time, getting used to seeing the actual radar speed and estimating how fast the target vehicle is going. After doing this an untold number of times each day for a couple of years, one gets pretty handy at it!
Visual tracking also plays a role in proving a speeding ticket. I had written a guy (wanna-be lawyer) a speeding ticket and he came to Court to challenge it. He was in a group of about 5 or 6 cars travelling close to each other. He wanted to know if I could say for sure that I was getting a reading on his car alone and not one of the others. I said, "no". The smile on his face didn't last as I explained his car was visually moving faster than the other cars in that group (he was passing them). So, even if my radar reading was that of another (slower moving) car, it meant that he was going AT LEAST that fast, if not faster.
Now only the Judge was smiling as he was found guilty. ;) . The basic proofs for a radar ticket are: a certified operator, proof the unit was operating properly, a visual tracking history, identification of the operator (speeder).

....Some judges don't allow it. others do. either way it will waste your day to go to court to find out.

It's funny how law enforcement typically displays it's inherent weakness once those famous words are exhaled from the ticket-issuing officer's mouth. I personally make it a habit to take a morning off work and fight a speeding ticket (guilty or not) whenever I'm flogged with that particular statement and oddly enough, I usually win my case. What gives? Do they actually teach you to say that in Police Academy?:D

Waste is what I'm doing here responding to this post and not trying to save myself a few hundred bucks and valuable demerit points fighting the case in court.:cool:

It's funny how law enforcement typically displays it's inherent weakness once those famous words are exhaled from the ticket-issuing officer's mouth. I personally make it a habit to take a morning off work and fight a speeding ticket (guilty or not) whenever I'm flogged with that particular statement and oddly enough, I usually win my case. What gives? Do they actually teach you to say that in Police Academy?:D


Agreed. I havent had one in years (knock on wood) but I fight every one. I even beat a laser ticket. :eek:

PS. Am I reading my dates correctly that the time between the question that was asked in post #41 and the answer in posted in post #42 was 7 months? :eek:

It's like the thread came to a screeching halt until the question was answered and then the thread picked right back up. Wierd...

Sure you can beat 'em. You get an officer that's not on the ball, didn't complete the proper paperwork during that shift, lapsed certification, etc., etc. I suspect a certain ammount of them just count on you NOT coming to Court to fight it.
Most times they're willing to down-grade the ticket to something else for you, or even dismiss it at times. (unless you acted like a royal jerk at the traffic stop!) I would say that the effort in fighting the ticket might have been better spent in not getting one in the first place.

Great thread on Radar! My 2 cents: Radar detectors are NOT illegal in Virginia. In fact I own several. You can OWN as many as your heart desires, you just can't USE them in Virginia.

On the subject of beating a speeding ticket, some advice I got from a close friend law officer. If it's a simple speeding ticket, then the best thing is to pay. 35 in a 25 zone is usually cheap and any points assessed are low, If it's a high speed one (in Virginia anything over 80 is considered reckless) and you drive like you were in the Air Force :>), call the court house and ask for an extension. By law they have to grant you one if you call with a reasosnable excuse. Hope that the officer forgets and misses the court date, in most states it gets dismissed if the officer is not there.

But if you do have to eventually go, make sure you ask and receive some information before you go, best to be armed with as much as you can. If you were nailed by radar, then request the radar maint records. You'd be suprised how many that can be eliminated because smaller municipalities don't keep great records. In Virginia, they are required by law to provide them before the court date. If they can't the ticket is void. Also, inquire when the last time the issuing officer had a driving test himself! The real shocker is that some of them have expired licenses! Also ask for the officers ticket history for at least the last year. Once you get to court and they see that you are armed and ready, many judges will either reduce the fine so that you say OK and pay and leave, or drop the ticket because they feel that maybe they will lose and they usually have a lot to do like make $$ on the saps who just show up!

In my case, I got a speeding ticket for 81 in a 65 zone (reckless = big $$) just as I crossed from N.C to Va. I got 2 extensions due to the distance I would have to drive (from the DC area). When I finally showed up to court, I had all the records for the radar calibration (they were lax). The judge asked me to approach the bench (never looked at my sheaf of papers I conspicously carried) and asked me what I wanted to do to which I replied, Ma'am, the maint records show that two months prior to my ticket the radar unit was in for work twice. Second, I spent 22+ years in the Air Force, and for the last 5 of those I was a radar operator. There was other traffic in the group that night, and the standard police radar unit does not have the capability to track and sort more than one target, so he could have been reading the semi in front of me or the car behind me. Last, if you look at the diagram the officer drew, there is no way his radar reading could have been accurate because he was out of the industry standard 22 degree "window of angle" required for an accrurate reading. He was in fact at almost 45 degrees to my vehicle, which could have added as much as 10% to the actual speed (doppler effect is what they operate on and police radars need between 18 - 22 degrees to stay within their accuracy parameters). She looked at me and said, reduced to simple speeding, no points and no record, OK with you? I said yes ma'am and paid the 50 bucks and drove back to Springfield Va.

So you can do it. remember you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I saved almost 200 dollars, major points on my license, and avoided any insurance hike from GEICO.