Remote startup with no alarm. Goes with the TL key conversion.

Well most you guys loved my TL key fob conversion thread I did a while back, http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17794 (For you who hasnt done it yet, there the link.) In that thread I had mention about there was somes units you could add to the RL that would let you remote start your whole car from the touch of your RL remote( Ac/Heater, radio, acc and ect). Well I did some looking around and I found out what 2 parts are needed. With these 2 units you will be able to press the lock button 3 or 4 (whatevers programmed) and it will auto start your RL with everything working. So all you winter guys up north and us summer guys in the south can enjoy all the luxury of a remote start with out the hassles of another remote adding dead weight to your key chain.

http://www.bypasskit.com/images/products/PKH34.jpg
PKH34 Honda & Acura Transponder Data Override 2005-07 (PKH34)
Honda Acura Transponder Data Override Interface: No Key Required fixed firmware BYPASSKIT for All 2005-07 Honda and Acura vehicles plus select 2001-2004 models. Includes a new D2D port for secure override when paired with D2D enabled remote start system.

http://www.hornetcarsecurity.com/Images/Products/561T_large.jpg
Valet 561T Remote Start Upgrade Module
The Valet 561T Remote Start Upgrade Module can be added to any security or keyless entry system that has an auxiliary output. With features such as Parking Light Flash and Defroster Output, this is the ideal module for those who want to add the convenience of remote start to their current system.

Im getting these in today and adding them to my RL this saturday, I just thought I would share with you guys again. Well hope you guys enjoy. Cheers Roc.. - Andy

PLEASE keep us updated on this...I want this mod and am keenly interested in the details.

I am very interested. I so wanted this to come with the truck. Do you think the trunk button on the TL remote could become the start button? I worry that hitting the lock multiple times could interfear with the rollup module.

Also with the valet interface do you lose your valet key? or does the module just overide the immobiler unit in the truck?

PLEASE keep us updated on this...I want this mod and am keenly interested in the details.

I'm interested as well, let us know how it works out Andy!

Found some more information on the modules, and the installation guides:

http://www.bypasskit.com/product.aspx?prodid=PKH34&catid=15
http://www.hornetcarsecurity.com/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=808

thanks for sharing this info with us, thats a nice thought on your part.Well most you guys loved my TL key fob conversion thread I did a while back, http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17794 (For you who hasnt done it yet, there the link.) In that thread I had mention about there was somes units you could add to the RL that would let you remote start your whole car from the touch of your RL remote( Ac/Heater, radio, acc and ect). Well I did some looking around and I found out what 2 parts are needed. With these 2 units you will be able to press the lock button 3 or 4 (whatevers programmed) and it will auto start your RL with everything working. So all you winter guys up north and us summer guys in the south can enjoy all the luxury of a remote start with out the hassles of another remote adding dead weight to your key chain.

http://www.bypasskit.com/images/products/PKH34.jpg
PKH34 Honda & Acura Transponder Data Override 2005-07 (PKH34)
Honda Acura Transponder Data Override Interface: No Key Required fixed firmware BYPASSKIT for All 2005-07 Honda and Acura vehicles plus select 2001-2004 models. Includes a new D2D port for secure override when paired with D2D enabled remote start system.

http://www.hornetcarsecurity.com/Images/Products/561T_large.jpg
Valet 561T Remote Start Upgrade Module
The Valet 561T Remote Start Upgrade Module can be added to any security or keyless entry system that has an auxiliary output. With features such as Parking Light Flash and Defroster Output, this is the ideal module for those who want to add the convenience of remote start to their current system.

Im getting these in today and adding them to my RL this saturday, I just thought I would share with you guys again. Well hope you guys enjoy. Cheers Roc.. - Andy

Andy - thanks! For me, this just might be the most valuable mod. Any details would be great:
price
shop charge for install
additional parts needed
any functionalities you might lose to use this
other drawbacks

Please keep us updated on this one!

I was in Costco today and they had a remote start kit for $29.95. Also had a backup camera for about $80.

I am very interested. I so wanted this to come with the truck. Do you think the trunk button on the TL remote could become the start button? I worry that hitting the lock multiple times could interfear with the rollup module.

Also with the valet interface do you lose your valet key? or does the module just overide the immobiler unit in the truck?What happens is when you press the trunk button it enters another mode then you press lock or unlock to start or maybe even a sequence. The problem is getting the doors to unlock when it is remote started.

I am very interested. I so wanted this to come with the truck. Do you think the trunk button on the TL remote could become the start button? I worry that hitting the lock multiple times could interfear with the rollup module.

Also with the valet interface do you lose your valet key? or does the module just overide the immobiler unit in the truck?


well the good thing about this unit is that you can program a button or buttons in any sequence. Meaning that you could program sequence ( Lock, Lock, Lock, Lock) or Lock Lock lock or whatever you want. I wouldnt worry about it getting mixed up or messing up unit that roll up the windows, cause hitting the lock button 2 times would send a signal to the window relay and hitting it 3 or 4 times would start your RL.

What happens is when you press the trunk button it enters another mode then you press lock or unlock to start or maybe even a sequence. The problem is getting the doors to unlock when it is remote started.

on this unit you can only do what the installer program the unit to do, so the trunk function wouldnt work as it doesnt work now. The RL doesnt have an auto trunk function, so the truck multiplex system that controls all the function on the RL would never respond to the signal because it not a recognize signal. So in shorter terms ( Dont worry ) and have fun.:p

Cheers - Andy

It will be interesting to see how this works...Would be nice if there was a way to re-program the "panic" button to function for this purpose. What is the approximate cost for these two modules?

Andy is there any reason you didn't go with the xpresskit.com XP02? (the slightly smarter brother to the PKH34?)

The wire 2 wire that the unit would give you would be nice for doing other things...well if you ever upgraded the remote system ;)

Good info though, thanks for sharing :)

I had installed this on my truck this week, however there is a problem.
Once the truck is started and running, the key is no longer active.
That is, no keyless entry or other remote functions.
I had posted this under new "calling all remote start experts" earlier this week.
We need to find a way to reprogram oem security/keyless entry.
May not be possible.

Andy is there any reason you didn't go with the xpresskit.com XP02? (the slightly smarter brother to the PKH34?)

The wire 2 wire that the unit would give you would be nice for doing other things...well if you ever upgraded the remote system ;)

Good info though, thanks for sharing :)

well I saw that one and for the price of it I didnt think it was necessary, plus I felt like if I needed more options on the unit I might as upgrade to a aftermarket alarm system. The whole point of this upgrade when I thought about it was to keep the KISS theory on hand. KISS theory = KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID.

I had installed this on my truck this week, however there is a problem.
Once the truck is started and running, the key is no longer active.
That is, no keyless entry or other remote functions.
I had posted this under new "calling all remote start experts" earlier this week.
We need to find a way to reprogram oem security/keyless entry.
May not be possible.


Im not sure why your is acting up in that way, it seems like a installer error on programming the unit properly.

Houston, it does make sense that the factory keyless is disabled once the car is running. I tested this in the truck today, once you turn the car on, the lock and unlock buttons on the factory key fob do nothing. Anyone know of a way to get around this? Also this was mentioned, but would there be any way to use the panic button as the remote start function? May just cutting the wire going to the horn if needed to prevent the long beeeeeeeeeeeeeping sounds.

Houston, it does make sense that the factory keyless is disabled once the car is running. I tested this in the truck today, once you turn the car on, the lock and unlock buttons on the factory key fob do nothing. Anyone know of a way to get around this? Also this was mentioned, but would there be any way to use the panic button as the remote start function? May just cutting the wire going to the horn if needed to prevent the long beeeeeeeeeeeeeping sounds.

The disabling of the remote lock/unlock once the car is running is unfortunately how it is (as long as I've been doing work on Honda + remote starters).


I also think the security output to the horn is pulsed, so it wouldn't work so well trying to crank the engine as the pulse isn't long enough...but I'm just not a fan of cutting/splicing like that either so I've never tried it.

well I saw that one and for the price of it I didnt think it was necessary, plus I felt like if I needed more options on the unit I might as upgrade to a aftermarket alarm system. The whole point of this upgrade when I thought about it was to keep the KISS theory on hand. KISS theory = KEEP IT SIMPLY STUPID.

I like your style of thinking :cool: . That is mine as well I just thought wiring to an interface box rather then tapping OE wiring might be simpler - but when you figure the cost into things it doesen't make sense. Now if I had someone that was willing to loan me one of those loader tools it would be a different story entirely :)

This is not an installer error.
This is a function of Honda factory alarm.

Andy is there any reason you didn't go with the xpresskit.com XP02? (the slightly smarter brother to the PKH34?)

The wire 2 wire that the unit would give you would be nice for doing other things...well if you ever upgraded the remote system ;)

Good info though, thanks for sharing :)

I went to the site and didnt see the XP02 anywhere, am I missing something?

This is not an installer error.
This is a function of Honda factory alarm.

Im truly sorry for what I said, I went in dept over this issue with my DEI rep and the techs over at Directed Electronics and the same thing keepeth poppin up. It seem to be a Honda thing when the RL or any Honda is active that the keyless entry function doesnt work. Well then I asked is DEI coming out with a module asap to correct this function, and the answer was " Its almost done". :D :D :D If all fails I would just have to unlock the door with the key which isnt so bad anyways. Im also looking up in the Honda tech manuals if this can also be rewired to work. - Andy:)

I sell and install Viper/DEI product in my store.
I had just talked to a senior master instructor for DEI in California.
He does not have an aswer either. Honda made it like that.
You will end up using a second transmitter for keyless entry or
use factory key to manually unlock the doors.
We are working to get around this problem.
Any one else has any light on this subject?

well the good thing about this unit is that you can program a button or buttons in any sequence. Meaning that you could program sequence ( Lock, Lock, Lock, Lock) or Lock Lock lock or whatever you want. I wouldnt worry about it getting mixed up or messing up unit that roll up the windows, cause hitting the lock button 2 times would send a signal to the window relay and hitting it 3 or 4 times would start your RL.

But hitting the Lock button more than once makes the horn Honk a couple of times. Wouldnt that be annoying for some people? Or is that bypasses as well? I know that my horn honks when i roll up the windows.

Concerned.....

I went to the site and didnt see the XP02 anywhere, am I missing something?

Nope, I'm missing some sleep and mixing my OS's and my Remote starters :o

http://www.bypasskit.com/product.aspx?prodid=XK02


Try XK02 ;)


I am currently celebrating the fact that the PKH3 I have will work for my RTS, gotta go try it now :D

I sell and install Viper/DEI product in my store.
I had just talked to a senior master instructor for DEI in California.
He does not have an aswer either. Honda made it like that.
You will end up using a second transmitter for keyless entry or
use factory key to manually unlock the doors.
We are working to get around this problem.
Any one else has any light on this subject?I'm an installer also and was about to post the same thing. A second remote is necesarry, and has to be hard wired directly to the locks. The downside is if the vehicle isn't remote started when you us the new remote the factory alarm will be triggered. The only true solution is aftermarket system or see what DEI comes up with.

Nope, I'm missing some sleep and mixing my OS's and my Remote starters :o

http://www.bypasskit.com/product.aspx?prodid=XK02


Try XK02 ;)


I am currently celebrating the fact that the PKH3 I have will work for my RTS, gotta go try it now :D

im going to look into this asap, cant wait to get this worked out asap

Any news on the install ?? This would be such a cool mod.....

Hey I had another stupid idea. Can the unlock button be used to start the car? By hitting the unlock button three times doesn't do much except unlock all the doors in the car. This way when you walk up to the truck, the doors would already by unlocked for you. Yes this could be a security issue, but the factory remote doesn't get that great of a range anyway so you will most likely be within sight of the vehicle when you go to start it.
So the simple question is, instead of using the "lock" button to start the car, can the "unlock" button be used?

Hey I had another stupid idea. Can the unlock button be used to start the car? By hitting the unlock button three times doesn't do much except unlock all the doors in the car. This way when you walk up to the truck, the doors would already by unlocked for you. Yes this could be a security issue, but the factory remote doesn't get that great of a range anyway so you will most likely be within sight of the vehicle when you go to start it.
So the simple question is, instead of using the "lock" button to start the car, can the "unlock" button be used?

If you don't open a door after 30 seconds, does it re-lock even when the engine is running?

Geoff

Geoff, you're thinking aftermarket alarm/remote start. That is a DEI standard feature. Using the factory keyless that shouldn't be the case. If you unlock your door and turn your car on normally, does the doors lock? They shouldn't until you put the car into Drive mode, or something like that.

Geoff, you're thinking aftermarket alarm/remote start. That is a DEI standard feature. Using the factory keyless that shouldn't be the case. If you unlock your door and turn your car on normally, does the doors lock? They shouldn't until you put the car into Drive mode, or something like that.

Well, the unlock thing is based on the car sensing the door opening. Doesn't matter if you start the truck or not..

You could test it. Sit in the truck, open the door, close the door, lock the doors with the remote, unlock them, then put the key in the ignition and start the truck.

OK my friend and I installed the remote start last night. Thanks to this site for taking some of the guess work out of the install. We used the parts suggested. We got it so by pressing unlock three times on the factory remote will start the truck. Tag the yellow wire which is a positive pulse in the center of the fuse block at the kick panel next to the yellow/black wire. The PKH unit is a little weird as the lights don't flash as it's supposed to, but its working for now. Only problem I see is that once the truck is started, the remote can't shut the truck off if needed. You gotta get in the truck and press the brake pedal to shut the truck off or let the timer shut the truck off.

OK my friend and I installed the remote start last night. Thanks to this site for taking some of the guess work out of the install. We used the parts suggested. We got it so by pressing unlock three times on the factory remote will start the truck. Tag the yellow wire which is a positive pulse in the center of the fuse block at the kick panel next to the yellow/black wire. The PKH unit is a little weird as the lights don't flash as it's supposed to, but its working for now. Only problem I see is that once the truck is started, the remote can't shut the truck off if needed. You gotta get in the truck and press the brake pedal to shut the truck off or let the timer shut the truck off.

I not to sure but couldnt you program the unit to turn off after 3 or 5 mins?

Yes exactly, you have to rely upon the timer if you want/need to shut the truck off. That is another thing, have fun programming the module as it isn't compatible with the computer programmer and you have to use the little button to do all the programming. Not hard, just a pain.

I was thinking of doing this with my remote starter (lose the remote and use a negative trigger to activate off oe locks) but I am assuming it doesen't re-lock automatically right? and the factory alarm is now disarmed?

ssg, not sure of your question, but it was hard to get a strong enough signal from the negative pulse, had use the positive pulse. And no the truck doesn't relock itself until the truck is put into gear. It works good so far, although I have to make the starting duration a little bit longer because when its cold, it doesn't start quickly on the first turn over. (hope that made sense, lol)

Yep, made sense - thanks for the info :cool:

Okay another update. For the guys that did this install like Houston and I, no one has mentioned valet or pit stop mode. With a regular aftermarket auto start with a seperate key fob, you can press the start button on the remote while the car is running and it'll let you take the key out. Good for when its ice cold out and you want to run into 7-11 real quick and leave the car on with the heat running but of course don't want to leave the key in the ignition.
Well I was playing with the buttons tonight and figured it out. My system relies upon me hitting unlock three times on the remote for the truck to start. Well once the car is running with the key in the ignition, if I hit the unlock button on the drivers door panel three times and wait a few seconds, I can take the key out of the ignition and the truck stays running. Kewl ****...

Okay another update. For the guys that did this install like Houston and I, no one has mentioned valet or pit stop mode. With a regular aftermarket auto start with a seperate key fob, you can press the start button on the remote while the car is running and it'll let you take the key out. Good for when its ice cold out and you want to run into 7-11 real quick and leave the car on with the heat running but of course don't want to leave the key in the ignition.
Well I was playing with the buttons tonight and figured it out. My system relies upon me hitting unlock three times on the remote for the truck to start. Well once the car is running with the key in the ignition, if I hit the unlock button on the drivers door panel three times and wait a few seconds, I can take the key out of the ignition and the truck stays running. Kewl ****...

Could you post instructions on how to do this mod ?? I have the flip key comversion,and would like to have remote start without an extra transmitter. I have installed several alarms/remote start systems in other vehicles, so I plan on doing this myself. Thanks.

Could you post instructions on how to do this mod ?? I have the flip key comversion,and would like to have remote start without an extra transmitter. I have installed several alarms/remote start systems in other vehicles, so I plan on doing this myself. Thanks.

I am not sure what kit specifically was used but it sounds like an 'add-on' or remotely triggered (aka-wired trigger rather then fob) style remote starter kit. The DEI kit I have on mine has an external input if I want to disable the remote fob.

Not recommending buying it from this seller or from ebay, but here is a link to an auction for what I speak of:
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTOCOMMAND-REMOTE-STARTER-ADD-ON-TO-ALARM-OR-KEYLESS_W0QQitemZ120198495350QQihZ002QQcategoryZ94 833QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm going to ask this for me and anyone else who might not be as concerned with multiple scenarios...

Would the initial setup proposed by houston in the beginning be a problem in this scenario?

Remote start only used in my driveway (no concern for theft). I get in the RL and then put the key in and turn the ignition as normal (not cranking all the way). If so, perfect for me. Is it a different process?

Also, there was mention of flashers not working. Does this mean not working anytime you lock/unlock?

Thanks Man! I appreciate all the info! This is a great forum, with tons of knowledge from awesome people!

glad you guys are having fun with this

Does anyone have any install pictures for the 561T and the by-pass kit?

Thanks,

Alan