Changfeng Feibao CT5 ... what the he11?

[SpartanML]

Another really poor excuse for a Ridgeline knockoff... this one doesn't even try to hide where it gets its inspiration from... ugh... also has the bastard front of a cross between a Subaru and a Toyota Tacoma.

http://news.windingroad.com/countriesmarkets/china/detroit-auto-show-changfeng-feibao-ct5-not-ready-for-primetime/

Yuck!

[Andy-Montreal]

More junk from our friends out in the eastern part of the globe. Thank God they discovered that Bricklin was a fake and that the new planned Chinese-American auto conglomerate (Cherry Motors) evaporated into thin air.;) :D

[xridgelinex]

Anyone that tries to create something like the RL, it still won't be a RL... Just like the other day as I was filling up, this dodge head asked me what came first the Avalanche or the RL?... I said what do you mean? He said the design.... I said the RL in engineered in a class by itself and if you are referring to the angle of the side into the bed, both help with aerodynamics but in the RL is part of the body’s structural integrity for safety and not an added piece of plastic.

It still boggles my mind that many still no idea what the Rl really all about...

Then again, I guess many people don't care, its' just a device to go from one place to another...

[ChrisM]

More junk from our friends out in the eastern part of the globe. :D

Don't be surprised in 5 years when there is a Cherry/Tata dealership in your hometown. It will be located in the same lot where the Chrysler dealership used to be. :eek:

[MikeT]

Another really poor excuse for a Ridgeline knockoff... this one doesn't even try to hide where it gets its inspiration from... ugh... also has the bastard front of a cross between a Subaru and a Toyota Tacoma.

http://news.windingroad.com/countriesmarkets/china/detroit-auto-show-changfeng-feibao-ct5-not-ready-for-primetime/

Yuck!

Does it come with skid plates?

[2Hondas]

But they will be about $9,000 each, so you can buy three for the price of one Ridgeline and have the 2 extras for when one or two of them are being repaired. The China market has a long way to go to get any of their products approved for sale in the USA, probably 5 + years before we see any of their products.

[VT RAIDER]

Honda did a great job with the Ridgeline, it is nice to be at the forefront of innovation rather than trying to copy without copying... This vehicle will have a hard time competing...

[Mr Bigs]

I can't wait for all this crap being flooded into the U.S to come to a head. Nothing that was quality made in the U.S.A that went to China came back nearly as good. The biggest scam of a lifetime.

[MarylandRidge]

It is quite hard to fathom, that any Ridgeliner would buy a Chinese truck say within the next ten years. However who in this group swore in the recent pass never to buy a Japaneses crap yet is so enamored with his Japanese conceive Ridgeline at the present.

I work in a teaching hospital where they train doctors for 4-7 years depending on the specialization. And these are common comments from other American trainees (also called residents) the Chinese and Indian residents are freaks of nature. They have photographic minds, and are exceptionally brilliant. Unfair advantage fostered even more by a sadistic work ethic born out of the need that they have to work at least twice as hard so they will be recognized as equals by their peers, or for whatever personnal reasons they have.

I'm not saying the Chinese or Indians have a monopoly on intelligence, but as the saying goes : IF YOU SHOCK A BILLION OYSTERS, EXPECT AT LEAST TEN THOUSAND PEARLS TO COME OUT.

If one applies this to the auto industry, say one company has ten thousand brilliant minds and billions of willing hands working for pennies an hour you may not catch up with the competition now, but sooner or just a bit later that unfair advantage will overhaul the gap and if the competition blinks may get buried in the proccess.

Im sure most carmakers are having sleepless nights now. Their R and D department's discoveries which cost billions to operate is duplicated overnight, at minimal cost and sold for 1/4 the price will further shorten the catch up phase the Chinese or Indian car companies have to go.

When I came in to this country 5 years ago, I never thought of buying a Hyundai just because they were considered crap cars from my home country. After sitting in a Hyundai Azera and Veracruz bought by coworkers whose household income I believe is double than mine I'm now a convert.In the next ten years, after the wheels of my Pilot or Ridgeline fall off, I will give Hyundais a fighting chance to earn my business. I won't even rule out in the next 30 years or so a Chinese made car as my retirement ride if it fits my needs and priced competitively.Hopefully they have taken care of the lead laden steering wheel and harmful chemicals on the present day crappy seatbelts

Nothing is permanent except change.

[spun07RTX]

no thanks, you would prob get lead-poisoning from teh steering wheel and chemical burns from teh seat belt. :rolleyes:

[Mr Bigs]

It is quite hard to fathom, that any Ridgeliner would buy a Chinese truck say within the next ten years. However who in this group swore in the recent pass never to buy a Japaneses crap yet is so enamored with his Japanese conceive Ridgeline at the present.

I work in a teaching hospital where they train doctors for 4-7 years depending on the specialization. And these are common comments from other American trainees (also called residents) the Chinese and Indian residents are freaks of nature. They have photographic minds, and are exceptionally brilliant. Unfair advantage fostered even more by a sadistic work ethic born out of the need that they have to work at least twice as hard so they will be recognized as equals by their peers, or for whatever personnal reasons they have.

I'm not saying the Chinese or Indians have a monopoly on intelligence, but as the saying goes : IF YOU SHOCK A BILLION OYSTERS, EXPECT AT LEAST TEN THOUSAND PEARLS TO COME OUT.

If one applies this to the auto industry, say one company has ten thousand brilliant minds and billions of willing hands working for pennies an hour you may not catch up with the competition now, but sooner or just a bit later that unfair advantage will overhaul the gap and if the competition blinks may get buried in the proccess.

Im sure most carmakers are having sleepless nights now. Their R and D department's discoveries which cost billions to operate is duplicated overnight, at minimal cost and sold for 1/4 the price will further shorten the catch up phase the Chinese or Indian car companies have to go.

When I came in to this country 5 years ago, I never thought of buying a Hyundai just because they were considered crap cars from my home country. After sitting in a Hyundai Azera and Veracruz bought by coworkers whose household income I believe is double than mine I'm now a convert.In the next ten years, after the wheels of my Pilot or Ridgeline fall off, I will give Hyundais a fighting chance to earn my business. I won't even rule out a Chinese made car as my retirement ride if it fits my needs and priced competitively.

Nothing is permanent except change.I don't beleive we are on the same page. I'm talking about quality,products that were in previous times well made are now being made in places like China,Chile,India and so on. My statements are more at U.S companies dodging prevailing wage standards and going to these countries for cheap labor and materials with weak laws. Then they bring it back here as GARBAGE. It is all about greed,which is what is killing GM,Ford and Chrysler not the workers and is why Japan kicked their ass in automobiles.

[BigFoote]

Very true. I know how I feel today, but I don't know how I'll fell tomorrow, or even later today.

Nothing is permanent except change.[/QUOTE]

[Mr Bigs]

Very true. I know how I feel today, but I don't know how I'll fell tomorrow, or even later today.

Nothing is permanent except change.[/QUOTE]I agree.

[MarylandRidge]

Hi,

I am not addrressing anyone in particular and I agree with you 100% that we are not on the same page. Everything that I buy now I prefer to be made somewhere else other than China.I'm just glad I could still afford it even at twice the price of their Chinese counterparts.

What I'm referring to are cars that are made in China in the next 20-30 years. At present I would just buy a Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus only and the occasional Buick because they are tops in reliability according to CR. In the next ten years I'll give Hyundais a chance to earn my business. And when I retire 20-30 years from now with only half the income I'll probably look at Chinese made cars and probably own one.I'm sure a lot of retired people now driving their Lexuses or Acuras never thought of them as a retirement car.Heck, those names may have sound so stupid, moronic, idiotic and downright retarded years ago like the way my ears cringed and bleed when I hear the brand name Changfeng Feibao.

[kwoodman]

Hi,

I am not addrressing anyone in particular and I agree with you 100% that we are not on the same page. Everything that I buy now I prefer to be made somewhere else other than China.I'm just glad I could still afford it even at twice the price of their Chinese counterparts.

What I'm referring to are cars that are made in China in the next 20-30 years. At present I would just buy a Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus only and the occasional Buick because they are tops in reliability according to CR. In the next ten years I'll give Hyundais a chance to earn my business. And when I retire 20-30 years from now with only half the income I'll probably look at Chinese made cars and probably own one.I'm sure a lot of retired people now driving their Lexuses or Acuras never thought of them as a retirement car.Heck, those names may have sound so stupid, moronic, idiotic and downright retarded years ago like the way my ears cringed and bleed when I hear the brand name Changfeng Feibao.


Yes, even China will eventually get it right... but it will take a few decades. The Japanese products weren't high quality overnight.
So 25 years from now, when the Chinese 'Ridgeline' is a work of art...
I'll still be driving my Original... :rolleyes:

[djeaux]

True, the Japanese took a long time to get the quality down. But they did. The Chinese have one very big thing working against their ability to produce true quality products: their economic system.

[Mr Bigs]

Yes, even China will eventually get it right... but it will take a few decades. The Japanese products weren't high quality overnight.
So 25 years from now, when the Chinese 'Ridgeline' is a work of art...
I'll still be driving my Original... :rolleyes:I disagree somewhat,the old Japanese cars rusted out like crazy but still ran. Not only that but the have a very long history of getting it right. I don't know if you remember Toyotas 20R motor they put in everything and Hondas CVCC Civic.

[Mr Bigs]

Hi,

I am not addrressing anyone in particular and I agree with you 100% that we are not on the same page. Everything that I buy now I prefer to be made somewhere else other than China.I'm just glad I could still afford it even at twice the price of their Chinese counterparts.

What I'm referring to are cars that are made in China in the next 20-30 years. At present I would just buy a Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus only and the occasional Buick because they are tops in reliability according to CR. In the next ten years I'll give Hyundais a chance to earn my business. And when I retire 20-30 years from now with only half the income I'll probably look at Chinese made cars and probably own one.I'm sure a lot of retired people now driving their Lexuses or Acuras never thought of them as a retirement car.Heck, those names may have sound so stupid, moronic, idiotic and downright retarded years ago like the way my ears cringed and bleed when I hear the brand name Changfeng Feibao.I respect Hyundai because they have come a long way here in the U.S,I remember when the Excel came out in 86-87 alot of people enjoyed new cars because of them. Unfortunately the insurance companie totaled them if you got into a light fender bender.

[shovelhd]

When I think of the Chinese entering the US automobile market, I think back when Samsung (Korean) entered the US television market less than 10 years ago. Their products were well designed and attractive looking, but they had some real quality control problems. The one thing they excelled at, right from the get-go, was to employ Americans in America for Customer Service. Got a problem with your tv? Would you like a technician to come out or would you like us to ship you a replacement unit? Meanwhile they steadily improved the QC processes over time. Now Samsung is #2, only two tenths of a percentage point behind Philips.

The Chinese are going to dominate the world economy. It is only a matter of time.

[Mr Bigs]

When I think of the Chinese entering the US automobile market, I think back when Samsung (Korean) entered the US television market less than 10 years ago. Their products were well designed and attractive looking, but they had some real quality control problems. The one thing they excelled at, right from the get-go, was to employ Americans in America for Customer Service. Got a problem with your tv? Would you like a technician to come out or would you like us to ship you a replacement unit? Meanwhile they steadily improved the QC processes over time. Now Samsung is #2, only two tenths of a percentage point behind Philips.

The Chinese are going to dominate the world economy. It is only a matter of time.Their is a big difference,Samsungs TV's were desirable. Name one product manufactured in China that is. The Chinese market isn't trying to impress but undecut the U.S economy.

[shovelhd]

They weren't desirable when they were smoking in people's living rooms.

Japanese electronic products were looked down upon back when American electronics ruled the electronics market. The Japanese have since been eclipsed.

[djeaux]

The Chinese market isn't trying to impress but undecut the U.S economy.

I agree 100%. The Chinese aren't trying to take over the market by making a product that is hands-down better. They're trying to take over the market by making a product that is far cheaper than anyone else can afford to produce. And they can do that thanks to their economic system, which is about as close to having a slave labor force as I can imagine.

[shovelhd]

But if it's the same quality as the more expensive product, what's the problem?

[kwoodman]

But if it's the same quality as the more expensive product, what's the problem?

The following comments are JUST MY OPINION...
The problem may just be that...
Empires have always risen and fallen.
The U.S. is the dominant empire at this time, but their time is passing.
When China is the leader of the world (because of money and military), it will be a very different world. When they dictate world policy and can back it up with an army like we have never seen, and we are 'taking orders' whether we like it or not...
we can look in the mirror to discover who has financed their position of world dominance.
And no... I'm not a fanatic, religious or otherwise.
I just think I see the writing on the wall.

[kwoodman]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-12-03-debt_N.htm
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=2265

From USA Today
WASHINGTON (AP) — Like a ticking time bomb, the national debt is an explosion waiting to happen. It's expanding by about $1.4 billion a day — or nearly $1 million a minute. What's that mean to you? It means almost $30,000 in debt for each man, woman, child and infant in the United States.
Even if you've escaped the recent housing and credit crunches and are coping with rising fuel prices, you may still be headed for economic misery, along with the rest of the country. That's because the government is fast straining resources needed to meet interest payments on the national debt, which stands at a mind-numbing $9.13 trillion. Foreign governments and investors now hold some $2.23 trillion — or about 44% — of all publicly held U.S. debt. That's up 9.5% from a year earlier. "Borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from China and OPEC puts not only our future economy, but also our national security, at risk. It is critical that we ensure that countries that control our debt do not control our future," said Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, a Republican budget hawk.
The U.S. national debt now stands at more than $9.13 trillion, of which more than $2 trillion is owned by foreigners. Since 2000, the percentage of U.S. public debt owed to foreigners has doubled. As of March 2006, China held over $321 billion worth of U.S. Treasuries, up from the $60 billion it owned at the end of 2000.
Federal Government Debt ending fiscal year 2007 was $9 trillion and climbing. That's $501 Billion higher than last year. In the 1990s $2.8 trillion of new debt was created; more than created in the nation's entire history prior to 1990!
"Foreign interests have more control over the US economy than Americans, leaving the country in a state that is financially imprudent. More and more of our debt is held by foreign countries – some of which are our allies and some are not. The huge holdings of American government debt by countries such as China and Saudi Arabia could leave a powerful financial weapon in the hands of countries that may be hostile to US corporate and diplomatic interests.” David Walker, the US comptroller general. 23 July 2007.

[Andy-Montreal]

Preston Tucker's (inventor of the revolutionary Tucker '48 automobile) closing defence comments after being charged with securities fraud:

If big business closes the door on the little guy with a new idea, we're not only closing the door on progress, but we're sabotaging everything that we fought for! Everything that the country stands for!! And one day we're going to find ourselves at the bottom of the heap instead of king of the hill, having no idea of how we got there, buying our radios and our cars from our former enemies.

[a juror laughs incredulously]

I don't believe that's going to happen. I can't believe it because if I ever stop believing in the plain 'ole common horse sense of the American people, be no way I could get out of bed in the morning. Thank you.

[Mr Bigs]

They weren't desirable when they were smoking in people's living rooms.

Japanese electronic products were looked down upon back when American electronics ruled the electronics market. The Japanese have since been eclipsed.This is somewhat true but you have to crawl before you can walk and they are running fast now while we slow to a crawl(by choice).

[Mr Bigs]

Preston Tucker's (inventor of the revolutionary Tucker '48 automobile) closing defence comments after being charged with securities fraud:

If big business closes the door on the little guy with a new idea, we're not only closing the door on progress, but we're sabotaging everything that we fought for! Everything that the country stands for!! And one day we're going to find ourselves at the bottom of the heap instead of king of the hill, having no idea of how we got there, buying our radios and our cars from our former enemies.

[a juror laughs incredulously]

I don't believe that's going to happen. I can't believe it because if I ever stop believing in the plain 'ole common horse sense of the American people, be no way I could get out of bed in the morning. Thank you.Watch this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261 midway through the video China is well explained.

[tboysen]

Imagine the Chevrolet forum in the early seventies. I bet they were all groaning and laughing about the small unknown Japanese auto makers trying to get a foothold on the us market. ... .. ...

As too China and its products will as well. We are using more products than we realize. When the whole toy recall happened last year, I went through all of my girls toys and at least 95% were made there.

There was a documentary on China, and its major cities are quite modern, friendly, and have an eye to the future. I am not sure that even a government meltdown will stop their progress. Shanghi, if i remember right from the film, is becoming the new Tokyo. There was even mention that Japan and others are going there to manufacture products or have them done.


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[MoosePond]

Having recently returned from CES (the 145,000 attendee Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas) I can safely say that, while the Chinese are coming, they've still got quite a ways to go before they'll be any sort of market threat with homegrown products. Right now they're primarily a source of cheap labor for Western manufacturers, but give then another 10 years or so and we're likely to see a repeat of the success of the Japanese and Koreans.

Back in my audiophile days the only things in my very high-end megabucks 2-channel system not made in this country were a pair of monoblock amps from Kenwood (the classic L07Ms) and phono cartridge (Koetsu Ruby), now the only things in my 1080p/5.1 channel home theater made here are the equipment cabinet (Adrian) and power conditioner (Audience)! My TV & DVD player (Sony) are from Japan, my A/V receiver (Sherwood/Newcastle) is from Korea and my DVR (TiVo), cables (Monster Cable) & speakers (Aura) were all made in either Taiwan or China!

Since it would never have occurred to most of us in the early 90s that Goldstar (now LG) or Samsung would be major players with very high quality goods, it's not that hard to imagine the Chinese on an equally fast track to establish their own brand names here. However, they're probably going to have to hire some Americans to figure out brand and product names that will resonate a bit more with our consumers, although they could simply purchase some of our struggling companies and/or nearly defunct brands as others have done with RCA, Zenith, Westinghouse, Polaroid, Sylvania, etc.