Classified Groom Lake Air Force Base Photo

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Interesting.

Could the shuttle have landed and rolled-out 13,000+ft ?
Just the other day, I watched it come in on NASA TV, and I thought I heard the flight "commentator" mention it.
That thing really comes-in like a rock.

Looks like a place built to roll-out something that they didn't want to launch near any facilities nearby. aka "Big Rocket".

Other people think it is where the bodies of the "Roswell Aliens" are kept, in the notorious "Hangar 18." It makes for a good urban legend.

Urban Legend? There are pictures :eek:

20,000 ft runways aren't inconceivable for conventional aircraft, especially in a desert area. In the late 60's i lived in Fresno, CA and one summer we had 45 days in a row of over 100 degrees. Lemoore Naval Air Station, in the middle of the San Joaquin Valley, had two 13,000 ft. runways. That summer it was shut down for two weeks because of the heat. They could get the fighters off the ground with the use of JATO bottles, but the air was so thin due to the heat that the landing speeds exceeded the safety limits. IIRC, the air temp 15 ft. above the runway was approx. 150 degrees.

Strange!!! I worked for and with the USAF for nearly 50 years and never heard of Area 51 referred to as "Groom Lake AFB". Guess you learn something every day!!;)

But landing late at night was not a problem?

They probably could have landed at night but this was the days of the Cold War, so they moved them off the base to somewhere else so they could stay on the ready.

Actually, I meant to land traffic late at night on the Groom Lake, aka Area 51, which doesn't exist and is not an AFB.

It's a mixed blessing to be insatiably curious. I'll never know what the business was of those passengers in the unmarked red and white passenger jets coming and going from the Las Vegas airport.

Gotta run. There is a car in the driveway with government plates, and there are some guys wearing black suits knocking on the door. Kinda strange attire for a Saturday morning. I wonder what they want. JK



But seriously, no BS, this morning before I got up, the telephone man was working on the phone box on the side of the house. I went out there to see what was going on.

After he said, "Mr. Rice?"" and I said that neither I nor my neighbors have that last name, he said, "oh, I got the wrong house. I should be two houses down."

I said, "no problem."

And he apologized again and said, "I should be one house down." (inconsistent)

Then he got in the truck and left without going to another house.

That concerns me.


Check with fellow member and fellow curious conspiracy expert Chefelvis. Maybe he's checking up on you.



Wait, have you done anything to anger the ROC gods :confused: :eek: ;) :D

Gotta run. There is a car in the driveway with government plates, and there are some guys wearing black suits knocking on the door. Kinda strange attire for a Saturday morning. I wonder what they want.
Do they resemble Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones? :D

General characteristics
Crew: 2 (1 pilot, 1 reconnaissance systems officer)
Length: 35 m (115 ft)
Wingspan: 20 m (65 ft)
Height: 6 m (19 ft)
Wing area: 300 m² (3,200 ft²)
Empty weight: 29,480 kg (65,000 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 71,215 kg (157,000 lb)
Powerplant: (Low Speed) 4× afterburning turbofans, (unknown thrust) each, (High Speed) 4× ramjets, scramjets or pulse detonation engines (267 kN est. thrust) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 5-10 at altitude (unknown at sea level)
Range: 15,000 km (9,320 mi)
Service ceiling: 40,000 m (131,000 ft)
Thrust/weight: unknown

Fuel types
Methane, MCH, LH2 or hydrogen fuel cells.
Possible use of liquid oxygen and hydrogen oxides.
Possible use of MHD (MagnetoHydroDynamics) technology

The photo is chopped but is said to be 95 percent accurate.

There is a SR-71 Blackbird on display at the Huntsville, AL Space and Rocket Museum. The former deputy base commander at the AFB I worked for was a Blackbird jockey. Quite an aircraft, an Area 51 product!!:cool:

Actually, I meant to land traffic late at night on the Groom Lake, aka Area 51, which doesn't exist and is not an AFB. :D

It's a mixed blessing to be insatiably curious. I'll never know what the business was of those passengers in the unmarked red and white passenger jets coming and going from the Las Vegas airport.

Gotta run. There is a car in the driveway with government plates, and there are some guys wearing black suits knocking on the door. Kinda strange attire for a Saturday morning. I wonder what they want. JK :D



But seriously, no BS, this morning before I got up, the telephone man was working on the phone box on the side of the house. I went out there to see what was going on.

After he said, "Mr. Rice?"" and I said that neither I nor my neighbors have that last name, he said, "oh, I got the wrong house. I should be two houses down."

I said, "no problem."

And he apologized again and said, "I should be one house down." (inconsistent)

Then he got in the truck and left without going to another house.

That concerns me.


They don't climb a pole to tap your phone anymore. The NSA is the phone company. That's the joke.

They don't climb a pole to tap your phone anymore. The NSA is the phone company. That's the joke.

I have worked in the telecommunications industry for close to 22 years. I learned that the court approved taps were done at the Central Office and that the non-court sanctioned taps were done wherever they could be. This was one of the entertaining reasons that the FBI was against fiber to the curb service being introduces in the late 90's.

While at Ericsson, we had FBI agaents being trained on test gear that could capture a 37gHz point to point microwave signal and break the signal down to individual channels in order to monitor the traffic. This type of monitoring does not require a court order as the FCC states that anyone can receive any transmitted signal. The legality of this comes into play when and if an agency tries to use the information gained in court. If not used in court, there is nothing to stop this type of monitoring.

All forms of communication are monitored (message boards included). Must admit, it's nice to know someone is still either listening or reading these days. The guy on the phone pole was probably just a poor cat burglar scoping out the neighborhood.

http://cryptome.org/echelon-baby.htm check this out MikeT

http://cryptome.org/echelon-baby.htm check this out MikeT


I was aware of Echelon as a program (Not the name) back in 1992.

It's interesting that Lockheed Martin has won many contracts to provide stop light cameras. They get a negotiated amount of the revenue generated from the fines that are paid as well.

I work in telecom and am familiar with eavesdropping techniques and equipment. You can sit in a cubicle in Atlanta and tap phones in Seattle, if it floats your boat. And there are no wire clips involved, haha.

Well, I can eavesdrop on myself! I learn all kinds of rumors about... um... uh... me. :o

You can go to "googlemaps" and type in "Area 51" and see the base from space.
It's a few days to weeks old but still there.
I wonder how many copies of the alien on the hospital gerney are running around being passed off as real.
You can see the original at the U.F.O. Musium in Roswell.

bump for the pic that was removed from post #1



wait, what was that flash of light :confused:


what was I doing just now? :confused::confused:

Im at work but I see I am logged into a automotive enthusiast site.........whats this? honda ridgeline? ........that sounds like a nice vehicle, maybe I should try one out!

oh well back to work....

My dad spent 25 years in the Intel career field and says he use to go TDY there all the time. When we watch shows about it on the History Channel or Discovery he sits there and goes "That's true, that's true, that's a lie, oh yeah I know that guy/lady what a nut case she/he is they never had anything to do out there but to brief me and others and never had access to where she/he claims to have access to." Now he could be pulling my chain but once I had gotten my TS he started to opened up to a lot more stuff on what he did when he was active duty. And let me tell you, your jaw would hit the floor and stay there.

Just because you have the clearance, doesn't mean you have need-to-know.

Chip H.

Just because you have the clearance, doesn't mean you have need-to-know.

Chip H.

Very true!! Another form of clearance that level of clearance does not apply is "competition sensitive"; ran into that many times during my employment years!! P & W, GE, Rolls Royce, etc, all in the same area but all partitioned off with guards controlling access.

He doesn't delve in to the When, Who, and why he just tells me stories that I have never heard before i received my clearance. And you think with 30+ years (he's still is active in the Intel community) that you need to get some stuff off your chest. God knows I have my own skeletons from my SF days. I know all about "The Need to Know" I get a DoD, AF, Lockheed Martin, etc. briefing on the subject every 3 months between all the organizations that are listed. Not to mention all the other training I get.