USASpec PA11-HON2y IPOD adapter

I thought I would chime in and say that I am very satisfied with the USASpec PA11-HON2y ipod adapter I bought a couple of months ago for my 2007 Ridgeline. It was a little pricey (it cost $132 at Discountcarstero.com), but it is was easy to install (see the threads in this forum that show how to install these kinds of things --- you have to pull off the dashboard cover, but that really IS easy, surprisingly enough) and it has worked flawlessly. Here are the features:

1. If you do the basic install and hook up the adapter to only the USASpec supplied cord which connects to the ipod's smart connection on the bottom, you can make up to five playlists on your computer (HONDA1, HONDA2, etc.) that are downloaded to the ipod and can then be accessed as CDs 1 through 5 on your steering wheel controls or your radio controls (you will be in the infamous AUX mode), and CD6 is then your full library which you can play either in order or randomly by pushing the random button on the dashboard radio control. In this mode the the ipod is charging as you go and you can use the radio and steering wheel controls to advance to the next song (in order, or random). The only downside to this mode is that in some ipods you are completely locked out from the ipod's own controls, so you can't use them to pick individual songs, and there is no way to pick individual songs through the radio controls, other than advancing through a list to get to the song you want. Also, one thing that is confusing is that you don't get to the different lists by punching the numbered CD buttons (i.e. pushing "3" for list 3) --- you have to push the up and down toggle instead. Finally, when you first plug the ipod in after it has been unplugged, once in a while it can take up to a minute for its little brain to get organized and start playing; its no big deal (and usually takes less time) but don't panic if nothing happens immediately. Give it a minute.

2. You can also set the adapter up with an additional cord that will play any device with an "RCA" type plug (i.e., the standard earphone plug on one end, and those red an white stereo plugs on the other; USASpec does not supply this cord, but you can buy one for a few bucks at any Radio Shack). You can use this mode on your ipod too by unplugging the "smart" bottom cord and instead plugging the RCA cord into the ipod's earphone jack, and in this mode you can pick individual songs using your ipod's own controls. In this mode, your steering wheel and radio controls will not work to do anything relating to the ipod except change the volume, and your ipod will not charge. Also, if you set the USASpec adapter up in this mode (there is a little switch on the adapter --- the instructions explain it) you can only have four playlists, CD5 then becomes full library, and CD6 become "RCA" mode. CD6 remains dedicated to RCA mode even if nothing is connected to the RCA cord.

3. If your Ridgeline has the little storage space underneath the radio, you can drill a hole in the back (or two holes if you use the RCA cord as well) and pass the cord(s) into the storage space and the adapter then sits on top of the storage space --- inside the dashboard, but outside the space. I held it down with some duct tape; you could screw it down if duct tape seems to Mickey Mouse, but then you will have screws protruding into the storage space -- so far, after a couple of months, the Mickey Mouse duct tape solution has not been a problem. Either way, using the storage space like this works great to keep ALL of the cords and the ipod itself out of sight --- so less worry about someone trying a "smash and grab" to steal your ipod.

4. My Honda dealer replaced my radio under warranty (it's a long story and had nothing to do with the adapter) and gave me no grief about the fact that I had an aftermarket ipod adapter. In fact, the service rep wanted the model number because he was thinking of getting one.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

I just had mine installed last Saturday and I am happy with the audio and controlling it from the steering wheel. You don't get much of what is playing now nor can you move through your playlist unless I am missing something.

I was using a FM lighter adapter to hold and play my ipod touch however I used the holder to hold the ipod and ran the cable out of the glovebox and hooked it up to the ipod. The ipod stops when I turn off the engine and picks up where it left off when I start the engine. I can view what is playing directly from the ipod and move through the playlists as well. I will post pictures tomorrow to show how I have it set up. :)

Bad choice. You both should have gone with the Peripheral Electronics PXAMG. Gives you text, and an extra input or HD Radio (or any two of the three, iPod, AUX, and HD Radio).

Zach

Bad choice. You both should have gone with the Peripheral Electronics PXAMG. Gives you text, and an extra input or HD Radio (or any two of the three, iPod, AUX, and HD Radio).

Zach

Had I known, sure would have!

Gives you text, and an extra input or HD Radio (or any two of the three, iPod, AUX, and HD Radio)
Am I missing something? :confused:
I could only see the compatibility list for the following: "PXAMG - Direct control iPod adaptor for Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury Can bus vehicles"

No Honda, much less RL.

Am I missing something? :confused:
I could only see the compatibility list for the following: "PXAMG - Direct control iPod adaptor for Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury Can bus vehicles"

No Honda, much less RL.

Yes, you are missing something. See my other post:

http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/mobile-electronics/21601-ipod-hd-radio-aux-any-2-out-three-works-nav.html


I got my questions answered directly from Ernie at Peripheral.

z

Bad choice. You both should have gone with the Peripheral Electronics PXAMG. Gives you text, and an extra input or HD Radio (or any two of the three, iPod, AUX, and HD Radio).

Zach

Interesting --- I had never heard of this one. Where does the text show up? I have (I guess) the standard radio that can take 6 CDs and has two XM channels (which still work) built in. Will the text (I gather you mean the song title, etc.) show up in that radio's window?

Interesting --- I had never heard of this one. Where does the text show up? I have (I guess) the standard radio that can take 6 CDs and has two XM channels (which still work) built in. Will the text (I gather you mean the song title, etc.) show up in that radio's window?
My thoughts exactly. I also have the RTL w/o NAV.

There was a recent flurry of postings about the DICE product, but the displayed text was truncated and did not scroll across the display. I'll monitor this post for updates to see how this one works out.

Same here... I was hoping to move on an iPod interface by now. But, with all the recent discussions about this and other new products (Peripheral Electronics PXAMG, etc.), I'm waiting to see how it all pans out.

Same here... I was hoping to move on an iPod interface by now. But, with all the recent discussions about this and other new products (Peripheral Electronics PXAMG, etc.), I'm waiting to see how it all pans out.

I was in the same boat before I finally pulled the trigger on the USASpec unit, let me tell you!!

By the way, I didn't notice before, but I checked out Zach's other thread on this subject, which he refers to above, and note that he hasn't yet purchased the Periferal Electronics adapter he thinks is best (in a post dated yesterday he says he will be buying one very soon).

That's fine -- we do that all the time here in the interest of sharing information. But, I think it is worth pointing out that I was trying to let folks know how the USASpec unit actually works, as purchased and installed by a know nothing guy like me, as opposed to how it is theoretically supposed to work based on sales pitches, advertising materials, and specs.

Bottom line. I don't know if the USASpec unit is the best. I do know it works.

By the way, I didn't notice before, but I checked out Zach's other thread on this subject, which he refers to above, and note that he hasn't yet purchased the Periferal Electronics adapter he thinks is best (in a post dated yesterday he says he will be buying one very soon).

I saw the discrepancy as well. All well and good that Zach questioned the retailer about the PXAMG capabilities but we've all been there before and gotten burned.

FYI, I also have the USA Spec and still happy with it but always interested if there is a better mousetrap!

I have one on order and will post how it works out. Just to note that this unit has several videos on Youtube so you can see it in action:

YouTube - PXAMG operation in Honda Ridgeline (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l1cTWYFlZM)
YouTube - Peripheral PXAMG in action, TL-S 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bYMMOHS34)
YouTube - PXAMG operation in Honda Civic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJZ98jYKLCQ)
YouTube - 2005 Acura TL ipod adapter in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imqNzV2l6I8)

I have one on order and will post how it works out. Just to note that this unit has several videos on Youtube so you can see it in action:

YouTube - PXAMG operation in Honda Ridgeline (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l1cTWYFlZM)

The Youtube video for the RL had a NAV unit and my RL does not.

I have one on order and will post how it works out. Just to note that this unit has several videos on Youtube so you can see it in action:

YouTube - PXAMG operation in Honda Ridgeline (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l1cTWYFlZM)
YouTube - Peripheral PXAMG in action, TL-S 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bYMMOHS34)
YouTube - PXAMG operation in Honda Civic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJZ98jYKLCQ)
YouTube - 2005 Acura TL ipod adapter in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imqNzV2l6I8)

Looks pretty cool from the video, but like e piph a ny, I don't have the nav screen, so I won't cry in my beer too much for having missed the text feature --- maybe on my next Ridgeline!

Post from the other thread:

I got mine today. Installation was very easy. The iPod plays fine, but I do not get any text information through my head unit.

Guess USASpec not such a bad choice...

installed mine yesterday as well. very easy to install. also installed with the HD radio component which is rather large, and difficult to hide out of the way. text works perfect on my nav screen, and the smaller head unit. i did notice there were two 14 pin plugs, one in the nav and one in the smaller head unit. i plugged the harness into the one for the nav, don't know if that makes a difference.

Post from the other thread:



Guess USASpec not such a bad choice...

As I posted in the other thread, he probably needs to hit the DSP/Mode button to cycle through NAME, TITLE, and such like when using XM. Specifically mentions that in the Troubleshooting sections of the instruction manual. Most people don't realize that on the RL the Text button is really the DSP/Mode button.

Zach

How is the volume? I bought another unit off of ebay and you can't hear it! At full volume on the truck, my wife's dvd player is louder without it hooked up...

The Youtube video for the RL had a NAV unit and my RL does not.

Last night I installed the Peripheral Electronics unit on my wife's 2006 Honda Pilot EX with the stock radio and no navigation. The text features work with non-navigation radios as well.

The install took about 2 hours total, mainly because I do a very meticulous install with cable routing and such.

I posted details in the main thread on this topic: http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/mobile-electronics/21601-ipod-hd-radio-aux-any-2-out-three-works-nav.html

How is the volume? I bought another unit off of ebay and you can't hear it! At full volume on the truck, my wife's dvd player is louder without it hooked up...

The volume on the USASpec unit is fine --- about the same as all the other audio options (radio, DVD, etc). If you can't hear it, I'd say something is wrong with the unit or with the installation.

Its a grom audio and I see lots of complaints about them now. I just emailed them yesterday to let them know I dissatisfied I am. They responded with they have new firmware and are sending it to me...We'll see.

I have the USA-Spec installed in my Ridge and I am very happy. I use an iPhone and have the adapter set to direct mode. The iPhone's display gives me everything I need and don't need it duplicated on my head unit's display. The sound is comparable to a CD however the volume is about half- i.o.w.-- 10 is about right for a CD and 18-20 is right for my iPhone's music.

Hi All,

I have an RTS and I want to have the ability to use both my IPOD and XM (I have a separate XM receiver)

It appears that the USASpec is the perfect option for both. I can use the IPOD controls for the IPOD and the RCS jacks for XM.

What is the best price on the USASpec out there? I have found it for $129 + $13 shipping.

Thanks

Pete

What is the best price on the USASpec out there? I have found it for $129 + $13 shipping.

Crutchfield has it for $149.
Google "crutchfield coupon code" for the $20 discount for a net cost of $129 and shipping is free. ;)

Got mine on eBay for $120 shipped. NIB.

Got mine on eBay for $120 shipped. NIB.

Installed it today... ridiculously easy... no more than a half hour job if you are mechanically inept... The longest part was lining up the screws that mount into the side of the HU after drilling out the mounting tabs on the USA Spec to accept the larger screws. Unbelievable how easily the dash comes apart in these vehicles.

is there any difference in the PA11-HON2y and the PA11-HON2???

The one with the Y has the y cable to allow the XM to attach. You will have to get the Y cable if you want XM with the non Y version.

The one with the Y has the y cable to allow the XM to attach. You will have to get the Y cable if you want XM with the non Y version.

i have the RTL so its XM ready or something but i dont use XM so i would be ok with PA11_HON2

I love mine...and I know there are some other good ones out there but there is definitely nothing wrong with this one...I might be putting mine up for sale in the next couple of months because I am looking at a Kenwood AM/FM, ipod, dvd, and navi head unit so I wouldn't need it anymore.

Also, one thing that is confusing is that you don't get to the different lists by punching the numbered CD buttons (i.e. pushing "3" for list 3) --- you have to push the up and down toggle instead.

i have the PA11-HON2 with a Y adapter (took around 20 minutes to install this includes drilling/sanding a hole in in the little box under the radio), are you saying that i cant switch from playlist to playlist by pressing 1-5??? i thought it fools the head unit into thinking it was a cd changer?? how many songs can be on on playlist then??

As long as you have your playlists named correctly...Honda1, Honda2, Honda3, Honda4, and Honda5...they should correspond to cds 1-5, that is what mine does. I wouldn't think it would matter how many songs can be on a playlist.

I have a third generation ipod and according to the instructions that came with the USASpec the hybrid mode would not work with that generation ipod. But the other day I had plugged it in and it was working, I was able to use the controls on my ipod. But I have not been able have it work like that again. Has anyone experienced that? Is there a way around?

I just wanted to share feedback on the USASpec PA11-HON2y ipod adapter.

I put it in my "07 RTL soon after I bought the truck and I have it set to hybrid mode on my classic ipod. I don't use the satellite radio and let the trial subscription end.

Since I bought the USASpec, it seems other devices have come out. I have been really disappointed with the USASpec. I guess it kind of does what it's supposed to do, in that I can control my ipod directly or with the steering wheel controls, but it has some serious issues.

Most of the time it forgets where I was when I turned off the car and it just starts playing the first song on my ipod. It often seems to "get hung up" and I have to wait and wait while the connection is sorted out so that I can use any controls at all. Then I have to fast forward at an extremely slow pace to get to where I was on my podcast, which might be 45 minutes into a 60 minute podcast.

I leave the ipod connected in my car all the time except about once a month when I take it out to update podcasts.

I don't know if others have had this problem, but it's pretty annoying. I wouldn't buy it again. I might even replace it with something else. I haven't kept up with the posts, so I'll have to read and see what's working for people. The USASpec cost a lot of money and it's inconsistent performance is hard to understand. Sometimes it will remember where I was and return right to it, but it seems the longer I go between uses, the higher the chance it won't remember where I was and will get hung up and start playing Al Green again, who I used to like but now I'm sick of hearing him when I wanted to continue my Car Talk podcast!

Just a little FYI...
The (older) USASpec adapters do not support charging of the 4th generation iPod Nano (and I heard the 3g iPhone also, I have the first gen iPhone which works).
You need to order a $15 cable to add this function.
I did not ask if they are including this cable with the new shipped units.
I ordered the new cable and will report my findings

Check before you buy...

Alan

Is this the best unit for our vehicles? I have tried reading every post I could and still feel i dont know what adaptor to buy.

I believe it came down to the USA or Periperal? I have 2006 with Navigation. Is there one unit out there that provides more functions than the rest? What is the best, most functionable Ipod adaptor?

If I had Nav, which I don't, I would look into a text ipod adapter.
I am looking for one for my non-nav radio as well.
(and for my wife's 07 Odyssey which is the same adapter)
These are the three I amm looking into.

USAspec just released the PA15-HON(?).
iSimple (Peripheral) has one as well. (do a search on this site for the website)
and I think Dice does texting.


Alan

I can't believe this thread is still alive after seven months!

As the guy who started the thread, I have to admit that deepdrop's criticism is accurate. The unit does forget what it was playing after awhile, although in my experience it manages to remember for about 24 hours. (On my ipod, the default first song it goes back to is Amy Winehouse's "They tried to make me go to rehab" --- and it does get irritating.) Also, if it has been off long enough to forget where it was, it does take about 30 seconds to sort itself out before it starts playing (I mentioned this in my original post). If these hiccups are major problem for you, don't get this unit.

Other than that, though, I stick to my original point that it's pretty easy to install and it works, and after seven months, it's still working.

To answer rakapur's question, I don't think I expressed myself clearly enough before. The "toggle" I was talking about was the up and down arrows on the face of the 5 and 6 buttons on the dashboard controls, so you can go up and down from playlist to playlist using those buttons. But it is true that, on my system anyway, you can't push the "1" button to get to playlist "1" --- you have to work your way down (i.e. "4," "3," "2," "1") using the "5" (down) button, and back up using the "6" (up) button. Admittedly this is an odd set up, but harmless. Once you are in a playlist, the toggle on the steering wheel gets you from song to song, and as far as I know there is no limit on the size of a song list.

As the guy who started the thread, I have to admit that deepdrop's criticism is accurate. The unit does forget what it was playing after awhile, although in my experience it manages to remember for about 24 hours. (On my ipod, the default first song it goes back to is Amy Winehouse's "They tried to make me go to rehab" --- and it does get irritating.) Also, if it has been off long enough to forget where it was, it does take about 30 seconds to sort itself out before it starts playing (I mentioned this in my original post). If these hiccups are major problem for you, don't get this unit.

Yep, you are correct about the unit "forgetting" where it is after it has been sitting off with the iPod still connected.
I thought it was my iPod (3rd and a 4th gen iPod) as the cause.
I now have the 4th gen Nano (Nanochromatic).
I just got the cable and I will leave it plugged in this weekend...wait I work on Saturday...anyway, it will sit from Saturday 4pm until Monday at 6am.
I will post my findings...

Alan

Yep, you are correct about the unit "forgetting" where it is after it has been sitting off with the iPod still connected.
I thought it was my iPod (3rd and a 4th gen iPod) as the cause.
I now have the 4th gen Nano (Nanochromatic).
I just got the cable and I will leave it plugged in this weekend...wait I work on Saturday...anyway, it will sit from Saturday 4pm until Monday at 6am.
I will post my findings...

Alan

Please do, as I keep contemplating getting one for my CR-V or not. I'd like a unit that'd display track info on the factory stereo as I'd prefer to keep things stock looking (to a degree) inside my V. Although I have an auxillary 3.5MM headset jack, I'd also like to charge my Nano too. There is hardly a time anymore when I'm NOT with my iPod, especially my little Squawbox (what I call my new 16GB Nano) and I listen to it all the time. All the damn time. Even when I go to bed. Help, I'm an iPodaholic!

Please do, as I keep contemplating getting one for my CR-V or not. I'd like a unit that'd display track info on the factory stereo as I'd prefer to keep things stock looking (to a degree) inside my V. Although I have an auxillary 3.5MM headset jack, I'd also like to charge my Nano too. There is hardly a time anymore when I'm NOT with my iPod, especially my little Squawbox (what I call my new 16GB Nano) and I listen to it all the time. All the damn time. Even when I go to bed. Help, I'm an iPodaholic!

If anything, I was going to get the texting unit for my wife.
Her PA11-HON2 was purchased used and doesn't work too well with the 1st gen iPhone.
My PA11-HON2 is working fine with the new 4th gen Nano (after the new cable).
Look at my post on 12/4/08 about the special cable for the 4th gen Nanos and 3G iPhones.
Call the manufacturers about support for these units.
If I get a texting unit for my wife, I'll post about it.

Alan

OK,

I left the 4th gen Nano plugged into the PA11 from Thursday 4pm to Saturday 6am or 1 day and 14 hours.
The Nano started from the default playlist (playlist 5 and I left it on 1), but remembered exactly where in the song it was and started from there.
Does anyone have any results of the other adapters (iSimple or Dice)?

Thanks,

Alan

For me, the main thing that drives me crazy is that I was running shuffle mode when I shut my truck off and when I turn it back on, the song that was playing continues where it left off but now with shuffle being turned off. This forces me to turn on shuffle again which then restarts the shuffle list and I ended up hearing a bunch of songs I've already recently heard.

For shuffle I use random "RDM" on the headunit.
It stays on even after I turn off the truck.

For shuffle I use random "RDM" on the headunit.
It stays on even after I turn off the truck.
I've used it both ways....hitting RDM button or setting it to shuffle before I plug it in. Either way, the adapter forgets when the truck is shut off.

Just thought I would let you guys know if you don't already, that the new cable is out that charges the gen 2 ipod touches, iphone 3G, etc. I found mine on ebay for $25 shipped.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:11&Item=350197019638

Jon

The new USA Spec displays the song information on the radio, but not worth the price difference for me at this point in the game!

Back in December I paid $15 (plus whatever shipping was) from USASpec direct.

I Just installed mine with a Iphone and the new cable. I have a few questions:
1. The unit still charges the phone with the truck off. How is this possible? WHy is the circuit always on? Shouldnt the power be OFF with the stereo and car OFF???
2. Every time I change a song, the charging turns off, then pops back on immediately. Is this normal?
3. When I plug it into the iphone I get a message saying "THIS ACCESSORY IS NOT DESIGNED FOR THE IPHONE. TURN ON AIRPORT MODE? IF SO YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PLACE ANY PHONE CALLS" Anyone else get this message?
4. I cannot access the phone controls at all. I can't switch songs from the phone, only from the radio, and it only plays the playlist currently on the iphone.

Please help if you know the answer to any of these! Thanks!

I Just installed mine with a Iphone and the new cable. I have a few questions:
1. The unit still charges the phone with the truck off. How is this possible? WHy is the circuit always on? Shouldnt the power be OFF with the stereo and car OFF???
2. Every time I change a song, the charging turns off, then pops back on immediately. Is this normal?
3. When I plug it into the iphone I get a message saying "THIS ACCESSORY IS NOT DESIGNED FOR THE IPHONE. TURN ON AIRPORT MODE? IF SO YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PLACE ANY PHONE CALLS" Anyone else get this message?
4. I cannot access the phone controls at all. I can't switch songs from the phone, only from the radio, and it only plays the playlist currently on the iphone.

Please help if you know the answer to any of these! Thanks!

Just give it time, you'll probably find it to discharge your device at some point too. After having tried both the PA11-HON2y and the new PA15, I'm done with USA Spec due to WAY too many firmware bugs (and alternator noise) for that kind of money. I couldn't be happier with the iSimple.

1. The unit stays on for 10 minutes after you turn off the engine to charge the unit (iPod or iPhone)
2. I have to look into that.
3. It says that for all accessories that are not "iPhone" authorized accessories (it will work though).
4. It depends if you have Direct or Playlist mode... (I think playlist uses the iPhone controls or the radio controls and Direct uses only radio controls).

1. The unit stays on for 10 minutes after you turn off the engine to charge the unit (iPod or iPhone)
2. I have to look into that.
3. It says that for all accessories that are not "iPhone" authorized accessories (it will work though).
4. It depends if you have Direct or Playlist mode... (I think playlist uses the iPhone controls or the radio controls and Direct uses only radio controls).

Thanks,

I was worried I am going to come over to a dead battery tomorrow if that circuit is always open. I'm surprised a lead from the stereo is "always on" and not switched by the stereo. I would have figured all leads out the stereo were switched?

I downloaded the manual and it says the hybrid mode allows you to use the ipod controls and the stereo (this is the Hon2h)...but then there was a cryptic statement in the manual about hybrid not compatible with 3rd gen units, not sure where the iphone fits in the ipod generations. I'll switch it to direct mode and see what happens.

Does the iSimple display the same message on the iphone? The reviews seem to be good but their website and documentation don't look as impressive as USA Spec and I had a hard time understanding the application list and Ridgeline compatibility. I also noticed this new cable has a massive magnet, hopefully it will isolate any hums.

So far the USA spec seems to work as I hoped as long as I can control my ipod from the phone as well. The charging flicking on and off on every FWD/RWD is also a bit strange, but does the iSimple do the same thing with the iphone?

These units have come a LONG way from what was available 2 years ago (the first iteration for most cars required you to put a patch cable inside the stereo boards, requiring opening the head unit)...so as far as I am concerned these units, even with their shortfall, is a major upgrade.

I don't yet have an iPhone so I can't confirm or deny how it specifically acts myself. I can tell you that Peripheral is working on a bluetooth integration piece for the iSimple so it would seem pretty stupid if the iSimple wasn't totally graceful with the iPhone. I can say that the charged odditys my Ipod Video had on the PA15 went away with the iSimple. The sound quality is far superior as well. Most important to me perhaps (being an IT guy) is user upgradeable firmware on the iSimple as bugs are fixed.

I have the iSimple, but it is not installed yet.
It is for my wife's Odyssey and her iPod Touch.
I am waiting for the 5v cable then I am going to install it.
When I used to install stereos (20 years ago) there was one always hot wire and one switched wire.
I don't know about the hybrid mode.
Right now my unit is set for Direct Mode because I have the iPod in view and I like messing with the controls.
Before I got the 5v cable, I had my iPod stashed in the glovebox and it was easier to have it in Playlist Mode.
Don't be scared to try the different modes.
They react differently to each other.

Alan