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I have deleted my posts in this thread. I don't want to be the cause of this family feuding.

Its not just Americans. When push comes to shove We are all out for Ourselves. We are not nearly as evolved and civilized as we like to think we are.

It always comes back to violence, sex and self preservation. Its our nature.

Times like this show who we really are.


Yea I'm drunk again,ignore me :)

Dood, I'm not drunk and I agree with you. What does that say about me? :)

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's human nature. It's not surprising. And it has nothing to do with being an American or any other nationality. We're all monkeys. Or at least that's what I think. ;)

are you that protected ladyridge that you think that we are all safe from such things. we are lucky to date, but our turn may just around the corner. How dare you to say that you are ashamed to be an american. If you truly are ashamed I never want to hear from you again!

Take away the comfort of technology and we are back in the stone age. What on earth is keeping the Guard or the Military from moving in?

are you that protected ladyridge that you think that we are all safe from such things. we are lucky to date, but our turn may just around the corner. How dare you to say that you are ashamed to be an american. If you truly are ashamed I never want to hear from you again!

Why is she not allowed to give her opinion or state her feelings. I am also ashamed to call myself an american at this time. We certainly didn't hear anything like this after the Tsunami. There was surely a lot of news coverage.

It's just sad that people don't pull together. DOn't tell me that it can't happen, because I believe it can. I think that many of these folks were in dire straits before the hurricane and many had little respect for life before it happened.

I think if you don't want to read what other's have to say, then put them on ignore or just don't read their posts.

I am not THAT protected just tired of living in a society where no one has any idea what the other person is doing or why. Too many chefs in the kitchen and people are afraid to step up to the plate and stand up for what they REALLY believe in. I am tired of being a monkey. I'm not one and I refuse to be treated like one.
I am tired that those who need protection don't get it and those who cause harm to others are feed and clothed.
I dare say I am ashamed to be an American because I live in the land of the free and I am entitled to my opinion on how I feel about the way our country is run. TODAY..I am ashamed to say I am part of a society where our brothers and sisters feel they have to resort to crime and violence to get what the want or couldn't give themselves until they had the chance to take advantage of a situation gone from bad to worse. Those people who stayed behind knew this was coming. I don't care how much money you have or don't have, you can walk north if you care about your life.
I was physically, emotional and mentally abused by a man I called my husband for 15 years to keep my children in a "non-disfunctional home" and so they can live with both natural parents until there father blew his brains out with a 12 gage in front of me and my son.
It was my choice and I didn't kill or steal because of my choice.
Now I live with the disease of cancer running through my body waiting to take my life at any moment and I have to watch the society I have loved ALL my life tear each apart?
Damn right I'm ashamed.
You can choose not to hear from me again. That's fine. Your an American, it's your right to choose.

What she said.

Sad days indeed. :(

Unfortunatly we live on a planet that still is in the earliest part of it's (mental)evolutionary stages. There are organizations that want to save the world and rehabilitate the criminals but unfortunately.......they just don't get it! People are people, the good are good the bad are the bad and the scum will always be the scum. Thats why they will always be at the bottom of the cesspool.
These disasters bring out the best of the best and the worst of the worst. Some will embrace their fellow man, while others will live by survival of the fittest.
In reality this will affect us for the next 3 to 5 years in all cost.
Pray for the needy and please write those checks! It's the least we could do. :(

are you that protected ladyridge that you think that we are all safe from such things. we are lucky to date, but our turn may just around the corner. How dare you to say that you are ashamed to be an american. If you truly are ashamed I never want to hear from you again!

If you haven't noticed, Ladyridge is very well respected for her contributions of knowledge and goodwill on this site! In my humble opinion she is the sites 'First Lady', 'Queen Bee', 'Grand Ma Ma!', and she has been here for all of us Ridgeline owners! With that said.......

YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ON THIS SITE LONG ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT YOU JUST DID! THIS SITE IS LIKE A FAMILY AND EVERYONE HAS A VOICE AND TYPES TO EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT AND WITHOUT BIAS! I WILL TAKE WHAT KELLCUT SAID ONE STEP FURTHER. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEONE HAS POSTED AND YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY ABOUT IT, SAY NOTHING! :D

Well, unlike Mike's evolutionary view, my perspective is the old-fashioned Bible-based one. Unfortunately, what it tells us about human nature isn't pretty.

The strange thing in this case is that the government is so unprepared. There appears to be a lot of infighting between agencies, but, (and this is just me talking), it seems like there is something else going on. Almost like certain gov officials would be glad to have that segment of the Big Easy's poorest and most needy move to Texas, and not return.

the government has been quick to respond in all the other recent hurricanes, so, I don't know why this is such a mess.

But the violence and mayhem, that's the worst of human nature showing through.

I lived through the most recent LA riots, and I can tell you, a lot of people, given a chance, turn to animals. I saw firsthand parents encouraging their children to steal, mindless anger, and all the rage that you could imagine take control.

No offense Mike, but that's why I don't believe in evolution. I have seen what happens when people are left to their own accord.

And LadyRidge, it's not about America, or any other nation, it's the worst of human nature. Politicians fighting while people are dying. How many people in Africa starve before we send a plane load of food?.. Why does one group try to kill off another?...

Be sad, and ashamed, but not suprised.

Unfortunately, if you are primarily watching the TV you get the perspective that only they want you to have.
I listened to two people on the radio yesterday who gave extensive info on how a bad local gov't and an equally inept police dept have nurtured the ability of these type of people ( and I do not mean black, I mean simply bad people) to exist there and act out the evil within them.
A representative of FEMA spoke of how difficult it has been to bring in assistance because of the roads and flooding. Keep in mind after the waters recede, Which they haven't it doesn't leave roads and thruways perfectly clear and negotiable.
Ladyridge, when you see evil and bad you point it out and speak up every time, I am behind you 1000%

are you that protected ladyridge that you think that we are all safe from such things. we are lucky to date, but our turn may just around the corner. How dare you to say that you are ashamed to be an american. If you truly are ashamed I never want to hear from you again!

If there is anyone I would rather not hear from again, it is you buddy!! :p

If you haven't noticed, Ladyridge is very well respected for her contributions of knowledge and goodwill on this site! In my humble opinion she is the sites 'First Lady', 'Queen Bee', 'Grand Ma Ma!', and she has been here for all of us Ridgeline owners! With that said.......

YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ON THIS SITE LONG ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT YOU JUST DID! THIS SITE IS LIKE A FAMILY AND EVERYONE HAS A VOICE AND TYPES TO EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT AND WITHOUT BIAS! I WILL TAKE WHAT KELLCUT SAID ONE STEP FURTHER. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEONE HAS POSTED AND YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY ABOUT IT, SAY NOTHING! :D
Thank you Toobuku, for expressing my feelings for me. Lowrider90, you are much lower than just a low rider. From what I know of Ms LadyRidge, she far outshines anyone I have ever known in my life other than my own mother. I consider her my best friend, next to my wife and daughters. She has the character and strenght that most us can only wish for. She is the "Queen of ROCland" because she deserves to be. So layoff A**hole!! :mad:

What on earth is keeping the Guard or the Military from moving in?
Logistics. It takes time to make such things happen. The roads, airports and other forms of transportation and infrastructure that have been crippled make it tough to get people (troops) where they are most needed. Couple that with the fact that the troops need to gather and transport everything that they need to survive while offering aid or they will become part of the problem.

There is help on the way and unfortunately, like it or not, it takes time to make that happen. I'm not defending anyone but we need to be realistic. There are thousands of troops on the way, including some of our local Guard units and at least one of my nephews who is enlisted in the Navy and stationed in California.

Freedom of speech. Get over it! LadyRidge has a RIGHT to express her views as does everyone else. Damn right I'm ashamed with her. Still proud, still patriotic, still care about my fellow Americans, but part of that IS freedom to express our opinions. I for one, am NOT a sheeple and don't plan on becoming one. Kudos to LadyRidge for giving her honest opinion. She's freakin' entitled to it, since she is an AMERICAN!

Such a tuff situation, but in my opinion when you expect the government to take complete care of us, this is what happens. They can't take care of everyone all the time.

Another thing to think about, I don't think they can just pump out the city without major environmental ramifications. The city is filled with toxic water, you can't just pump that into the Mississippi.

Another thing, since the disaster has hit multiple states in different levels of course, but enough cities are destroyed, how come only this one city has snipers shooting at people trying to help.

My opinion, there must be more bad people then good people in New Orleans.

Kevin

I'm sorry for your past troubles, sound like you were strong enough to make it through. I know now why you think the way you do, best of luck to you.

This should be an eye opener for all of us. California is one of the most prepared states for disaster recovery (earthquakes). Even with all the pre-planning, residents of California have been told that they should be personally prepared to take care of themselves for up to one to two weeks if a major earthquake happens. Where was the planning in New Orleans? The State and City have always known that the potential for flooding was possible. What plans were made to take care of 600,000 people if a major disaster happened? When 911 happened, Rudy Guliani was the first to "STEP UP" to the challenge and "TAKE CHARGE" of the situation. The mayor of New Orleans is too busy complaining about what the goverment is not doing. Whats he doing??? After seeing this unfold, I can personally say, I'm going to take a much stronger stance on ensuring my house is prepared for a natural disaster. I'm not a Bush supporter, but it's not his fault! The State, County, and City are the ones that should be held accountable for the lack of a PLAN.... and the lack of LEADERSHIP!! :mad:

The Chinese were able to evacuate 600,000

http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-7-18/30394.html

This should be an eye opener for all of us. California is one of the most prepared states for disaster recovery (earthquakes). Even with all the pre-planning, residents of California have been told that they should be personally prepared to take care of themselves for up to one to two weeks if a major earthquake happens. Where was the planning in New Orleans? The State and City have always known that the potential for flooding was possible. What plans were made to take care of 600,000 people if a major disaster happened? When 911 happened, Rudy Guliano was the first to "STEP UP" to the challenge and "TAKE CHARGE" of the situation. The mayor of New Orleans is too busy complaining about what the government is not doing. Whats he doing??? After seeing this unfold, I can personally say, I'm going to take a much stronger stance on ensuring my house is prepared for a natural disaster. I'm not a Bush supporter, but it's not his fault! The State, County, and City are the ones that should be held accountable for the lack of a PLAN.... and the lack of LEADERSHIP!! :mad:

Kind of Apples and Oranges don't you think. The terror of 9/11 was confined to a relatively small area of NYC. Most of NYC had food ,water and shelter after the terrorist struck. Those in the city who didn't could walk to safety. Katrina effects the whole city of New Orleans.The people there have no food, water, or shelter. The Mayor of NO reflects the frustration that in reality nothing has been done.
It's unrealistic to think that these people would have two weeks worth of supplies saved up when most of them are living from paycheck to paycheck.
This is not a NO problem it's a disaster on a national scale.
Finally, you are right. It is a lack of LEADERSHIP that starts right at the top.
Given this disaster, how hard is it to load up C5's and C17 transports with bottled water and food. How hard is it to land them in Lake Charles and and Lafayette and transport the food and water via trucks supplied by the Army at Ft Polk and Ft Hood and Ft Benning? Unfortunately, a lot of NO is still underwater so you can't get to everyone's neighborhood. You'd have to drop leaflets giving directions to the supply areas which would be guarded by the National Guard. If I can think of this, why can't the Bush Team come up with a similar plan. Instead they talk about restoring "order". The best way to restore order is to give a little hope and relief from thirst and hunger.

Because they had a plan!! Before the disaster hit, they moved the residents out. One of the main problems for our situation was that residents made the CHOICE not to leave the area before the hurricane hit. WE ALL HAVE CHOICES!! I realize that a lot of the residents may not have had the means or ability to leave the area. This only re-enforces the REQUIREMENT the State and City needed, "A disaster recovery plan in place, and Ready".

There was never a question of this terrible event happening, it was only when it would happen. It may happen again this fall or 100 years from now, but it will happen again. I think a lot of critics are unjust pointing fingers at the Federal Government when the city of New Orleans and the state should have had contengency plans for this type of disaster. When you have sudsidized housing in the inner city with most of it below sea level, what could you expect? These people do not have transportation or other means to survive. City and state leaders need to wake up and prepare for these events that will happen, only when is the question. By the way I am pround to be an American. I am also pround that anyone has the right to disagree with me. Let us all pray for those that are less fortunate than we are.

Kind of Apples and Oranges don't you think. The terror of 9/11 was confined to a relatively small area of NYC. Most of NYC had food ,water and shelter after the terrorist struck. Those in the city who didn't could walk to safety. Katrina effects the whole city of New Orleans.The people there have no food, water, or shelter. The Mayor of NO reflects the frustration that in reality nothing has been done.
It's unrealistic to think that these people would have two weeks worth of supplies saved up when most of them are living from paycheck to paycheck.
This is not a NO problem it's a disaster on a national scale.
Finally, you are right. It is a lack of LEADERSHIP that starts right at the top.
Given this disaster, how hard is it to load up C5's and C17 transports with bottled water and food. How hard is it to land them in Lake Charles and and Lafayette and transport the food and water via trucks supplied by the Army at Ft Polk and Ft Hood and Ft Benning? Unfortunately, a lot of NO is still underwater so you can't get to everyone's neighborhood. You'd have to drop leaflets giving directions to the supply areas which would be guarded by the National Guard. If I can think of this, why can't the Bush Team come up with a similar plan. Instead they talk about restoring "order". The best way to restore order is to give a little hope and relief from thirst and hunger.


Since you believe everything is the goverments responsibility to solve "BUSH". Ask youself WHY? only FOUR senators were able to PULL themselves away from their vacations to approve the relief plan that Bush submitted. It's not Apples and Oranges, if the Mayor of New Orleans and State of Louisiana were prepared, all of the water, food, temporary shelter etc.. would have been available immediately. Just like your plan, it's after the fact. Now you need to get all of those materials in place in a short amount of time, while your still working on where do we send everyone, how many more still need to be rescued, etc. I'm not saying your plan is wrong, the logistics are more complicated than some seem to feel.

how hard is it to load up C5's and C17 transports with bottled water and food. How hard is it to land them in Lake Charles and and Lafayette and transport the food and water via trucks supplied by the Army at Ft Polk and Ft Hood and Ft Benning?

Harder than you think. In the best circumstances it would take two days. Some of those supplies are being delivered today. I will agree it should have been yesterday.

However, we have never had a disaster like this, where so many roads are cut off, and so many people are stranded. They literally don't know what to do whith these people.

The same thing is going to happen in LA in the next big quake. Except there will be no warning, so, there will be millions of refugees without water or food.

Because they had a plan!! Before the disaster hit, they moved the residents out. One of the main problems for our situation was that residents made the CHOICE not to leave the area before the hurricane hit. WE ALL HAVE CHOICES!! I realize that a lot of the residents may not have had the means or ability to leave the area.

This is the biggest and harshest part of the problem there. The people that are there now are the poorest, most illiterate, and most lacking of means to get out. This will sound really harsh, but quite a few that stayed aren't that bright, and didn't see the risk in staying, and chose not to leave.

How does a government take care of people that can't take care of themselves?...

There WAS an evacuation order. How many didn't heed it?..

Harder than you think. In the best circumstances it would take two days. Some of those supplies are being delivered today. I will agree it should have been yesterday.

However, we have never had a disaster like this, where so many roads are cut off, and so many people are stranded. They literally don't know what to do whith these people.

The same thing is going to happen in LA in the next big quake. Except there will be no warning, so, there will be millions of refugees without water or food.
From my experience in military logistics, 2 days would be an absolute miracle in a situation like this. It's happening right now though. I just watched a huge convoy of supplies pull up to the Superdome.

Since you believe everything is the goverments responsibility to solve "BUSH". Ask youself WHY? only FOUR senators were able to PULL themselves away from their vacations to approve the relief plan that Bush submitted. It's not Apples and Oranges, if the Mayor of New Orleans and State of Louisiana were prepared, all of the water, food, temporary shelter etc.. would have been available immediately. Just like your plan, it's after the fact. Now you need to get all of those materials in place in a short amount of time, while your still working on where do we send everyone, how many more still need to be rescued, etc. I'm not saying your plan is wrong, the logistics are more complicated than some seem to feel.

Name one city that has a stockpile of emergency supplies capable of sustaining an entire population for a week.

Who has the only ability to provide disaster relief. Yup, that's right the Federal Government.

Harder than you think. In the best circumstances it would take two days. Some of those supplies are being delivered today. I will agree it should have been yesterday.

However, we have never had a disaster like this, where so many roads are cut off, and so many people are stranded. They literally don't know what to do whith these people.

The same thing is going to happen in LA in the next big quake. Except there will be no warning, so, there will be millions of refugees without water or food.

Given that it would take two days, here we are at five days and some school buses just rolled in. School Buses! It's not enough and it's taking too long.

Might I suggest that we all step back and take time to think through what we will do to help our fellows through this trial. Do we each have the wherewithall to provide for ourselves with a surplus to help a few of our neighbors. Do we all have a disaster plan? Does each member of our family know where to go and what to do? I understand the anger and frustration. Let's put those emotions to good use and go out and get the things we would need if a disaster happened in our area. Just a suggestion.

This is the biggest and harshest part of the problem there. The people that are there now are the poorest, most illiterate, and most lacking of means to get out. This will sound really harsh, but quite a few that stayed aren't that bright, and didn't see the risk in staying, and chose not to leave.

How does a government take care of people that can't take care of themselves?...

There WAS an evacuation order. How many didn't heed it?..

I agree with you!! I understand that a lot of the residents may not have had the ability or means to leave the area before the hurricane. The State and Local goverments need to take an active role on planning/preparing for disasters that may effect their residents. Even with all the work California has done, there will still be looting, people w/o medicine, food, etc.. My main point is just because that's going to happen, it dosen't give local officials the right to blame the Federal Goverment for not being prepared.

Might I suggest that we all step back and take time to think through what we will do to help our fellows through this trial. Do we each have the wherewithall to provide for ourselves with a surplus to help a few of our neighbors. Do we all have a disaster plan? Does each member of our family know where to go and what to do? I understand the anger and frustration. Let's put those emotions to good use and go out and get the things we would need if a disaster happened in our area. Just a suggestion.

Point well taken!! I'll get off my box now!! :o

A lot of people are focusing on the fact that a lot of people didn't evacuate when ordered to do so. Think about this. The Katrina evacuation order was given on Saturday and Katrina struck on Monday. Basically thats a day and a half to get out of the path. So you think walking out of town was going to work. That would have resulted with thousand of dead refugees through out the countryside. Most of these people had no transportation to evacuate. The free buses where taking people to the 11 "Last Places of Refuge" and not outside of the city. Trying to place the blame of their current desperate situation on their decision not to evacuate is ludicrous.

Point well taken!! I'll get off my box now!! :o

Me too. We are not solving anything tapping on our keyboards.

Listen to the Savage Nation on most AM radio stations in all areas!

At least Michael Savage doesn't sugar coat the news.

www.michaelsavage.com

New Orleans was BUSH-ed.

Where are the trains to evacuate 10 days ago?

Where are the trains with supplies 5 days ago?

Bush says he did not anticipate the damage done by the hurricane. Duh? Is he an idiot? No, he was on vacation 10 days ago when the hurricane was about to slam the gulf.

Given that it would take two days, here we are at five days and some school buses just rolled in. School Buses! It's not enough and it's taking too long.
Yes, school buses are there too, to take people out of the city, but I was talking about the huge military convoy that arrived today. These are massive, military vehicles carrying huge amounts of supplies. There are pictures at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/

New Orleans was BUSH-ed.

Where are the trains to evacuate 10 days ago?

Where are the trains with supplies 5 days ago?

Bush says he did not anticipate the damage done by the hurricane. Duh? Is he an idiot? No, he was on vacation 10 days ago when the hurricane was about to slam the gulf.


First of all, let me apologize to everyone; I know I said I would get off my box. Just had to get back on for this one.

My compliments to you!! Not too many people out there that can confirm the final path or strength of a hurricane 5 - 10 days out. I'm guessing people would just jump aboard the trains when their told that Katrina is definetly going to hit them in 10 days. Your probably right, all of congress (oh what the hecht; all of elected officials should NEVER be on vacation). It's not like we've ever had a hurricane before. Anyway I'm sure you probably also have the ability to predict earthquakes. PLEASE give me 24hrs. notice before the BIG ONE hits California. Everyone in California, and the US would greatly appreciate the information.

I'm back off my box now!

We don't have a lot of people, but as Canadians, we are ready and more than willing to help our good neighbors to the south....

Posted on our government website Aug 31
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"Minister McLellan was in contact with U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Monday and informed him that Canada stands ready to provide assistance if needed. Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada (PSEPC) is coordinating federal assistance efforts in the event that a formal request is made from the United States’ Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). No request for assistance has been received at this time.

“Following on our offer, the United States Department of Health and Human Services today asked for information on the kind of emergency assistance that our Public Health Agency could provide, and to which our officials are now responding,” added the Minister.

“In addition, we continue to work with our partners in provincial and territorial governments to identify what goods and services we could provide to our American neighbours, should they request our assistance. The United States has a long and proud history of assisting other countries in times of crisis, and we now stand ready to help them in their time of need.”

Financial donations are the most effective way for individual Canadians to assist in the relief efforts. Those wishing to donate may contact the Canadian Red Cross’s 2005 Hurricane Fund at 1-800-418-1111 or online at www.redcross.ca."
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As for some of the ugly stuff being broadcast on the news.... in times of desperation, some people rise above to new heights, some sink to new depths.
I like to think that we are more than just monkeys trying to survive. I hope and pray that we have a social conscience and that the majority look for the higher road.

Keep the faith.

Twinjogger,

When disaster hits Redondo Beach, I hope you are as cavalier when your families lay dead. You have no heart and should get your head examined.

Twinjogger,

When disaster hits Redondo Beach, I hope you are as cavalier when your families lay dead. You have no heart and should get your head examined.

Talk about No Heart! Looks like you wrote the book. I won't wish the same for your family.

We don't have a lot of people, but as Canadians, we are ready and more than willing to help our good neighbors to the south....

Posted on our government website Aug 31
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"Minister McLellan was in contact with U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Monday and informed him that Canada stands ready to provide assistance if needed. Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada (PSEPC) is coordinating federal assistance efforts in the event that a formal request is made from the United States’ Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). No request for assistance has been received at this time.

“Following on our offer, the United States Department of Health and Human Services today asked for information on the kind of emergency assistance that our Public Health Agency could provide, and to which our officials are now responding,” added the Minister.

“In addition, we continue to work with our partners in provincial and territorial governments to identify what goods and services we could provide to our American neighbours, should they request our assistance. The United States has a long and proud history of assisting other countries in times of crisis, and we now stand ready to help them in their time of need.”

Financial donations are the most effective way for individual Canadians to assist in the relief efforts. Those wishing to donate may contact the Canadian Red Cross’s 2005 Hurricane Fund at 1-800-418-1111 or online at www.redcross.ca."
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As for some of the ugly stuff being broadcast on the news.... in times of desperation, some people rise above to new heights, some sink to new depths.
I like to think that we are more than just monkeys trying to survive. I hope and pray that we have a social conscience and that the majority look for the higher road.

Keep the faith.

Thank You and Amen

Thank You and Amen
Yes, thank you Luke. :)

Originally Posted by Blue
New Orleans was BUSH-ed.

Where are the trains to evacuate 10 days ago?

Where are the trains with supplies 5 days ago?

Bush says he did not anticipate the damage done by the hurricane. Duh? Is he an idiot? No, he was on vacation 10 days ago when the hurricane was about to slam the gulf.


Oh please! It may come as a surprise to some that FEMA and the dozens of other agencies that handle these situations have been in place for a lot longer than George Bush has been in office, with the exception of the Department Homeland Security. DHS did not exist before the Bush administration. To blame him for the logistical problems that we are seeing is ridiculous. When natural and un-natural disasters happen they do not sit and wait for a Presidential order to act. At this early stage, it does appear that some things could be and should be handled differently in the future. If we expect our government to be fully prepared to immediately handle every possible type of situation, regardless of how large and regardless of weather it has ever happened before, we had better stop complaining about taxes and the cost of gas. Perhaps if our military, especially the National Guard and the Reserves, had not been so weakened and under funded in the past we would have a better ability to respond quickly to this type of disaster. I have a very good friend that is a high-ranking officer in the reserves (recently called to active duty over seas). Over the last 10 or so years he has been telling me the most outrageous stories about the Reserves readiness position or lack thereof. It is appalling to hear about the lack of supplies, repair parts and equipment to keep them ready when they are needed. Right down to having three out of four printers in their office being out of service due to lack of funds to obtain toner cartridges. I'll stop - you get the idea. He has said that it has gradually been getting better in the past three or four years but it will take a long time to get back to where they need to be again. President Bush is not to blame for that.

Hopefully this won't come across as a flame, but aren't we seeing the Republican ideal of small government in action? (ha ha - government inaction - geddit? :rolleyes: ).

Seriously though - in non-disaster times the Republican rally cry is low taxes and small government (except when it comes to 'moral' issues). If you follow that to it's logical conclusion, it wouldn't be surprising if it becomes hard for the country to react to a major crisis. W says he trusts American's to spend their money more wisely than the government, so here's an idea - send your entire tax cut to the Red Cross.

Gentlemen,

Stop making excuses for the FEMA and the feds. It is their job and the possibly the only job they do. Many of them are geing paid over $250,000 a year to assist in disaster relief. Hell, they only work 2 month out of the year. If they are imcompetent, they should step aside and let the right people do the job.

I think some of you are giving the government too much slack for doing a lousy job.

Please add my heartfelt prayers and aid with yours. Also, allow me just this once, to share the following:
- Matthew 24:3-14
- 2Timothy 3:1-5
- Daniel 2:44
- 2Peter 3:9
- Psalm 37:1-4, 8-11
- Revelation 21:3,4

On that note, I respectfully suggest that this thread be dropped. People are getting hot under the collar. This is supposed to be about our wonderful Ridgelines, not politics. Keep the faith and pray for New Orleans and all who are trying to survive in her.

Let's bring this one down a notch. Remember, let's be civil towards each other.

We don't have a lot of people, but as Canadians, we are ready and more than willing to help our good neighbors to the south....

Financial donations are the most effective way for individual Canadians to assist in the relief efforts. Those wishing to donate may contact the Canadian Red Cross’s 2005 Hurricane Fund at 1-800-418-1111 or online at www.redcross.ca."
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Contributions can also be made to https://secure.ujcfederations.org/ft2/form.html?__id=7500
where there also are no overhead or "administrative" costs skimmed off the top, like there happens to be in sooooo many "charities". I was not able to join in the "banter" today as I was refinancing my Ridgeline to enable just such a donation.
I believe I'll sleep better, tonight.

Let's bring this one down a notch. Remember, let's be civil towards each other.

Amen moderator! :)

I work for a company that has employees in all three of the affected states. Our folks are encouraged to take shelter in company buildings if they can’t get out of town, and some folks did stay behind. It took four days to get some folks out of that region.

This is a Fortune 500 company, and we knew exactly where these people were.

Give the government some slack. This is a huge disaster that will have people talking for many years to come.

I'm reading all these posts late tonight, and I'm thinking as I read them --

It seems that few of us who are driving around in $30,000 plus trucks can truly comprehend the poverty that most of those in New Orleans experienced before Katrina hit. And so it seems even less likely that we can now make judgments about why those impoverished people stayed behind, nor can we really understand what drives some of them to behave now so inhumanely.

And it also seems like placing blame now for the maddeningly slow relief efforts, while the situation continues to show no real improvement, does nothing more than create more frustration and ill will. Look how much animosity was evident here, just within the confines of our small "community," where we're so far removed from the problem.

There will be plenty of time after the worst is over to determine blame and address it. I'm thinking that right now we just need to focus on help, in whatever way we're able to provide it.

I'm reading all these posts late tonight, and I'm thinking as I read them --

It seems that few of us who are driving around in $30,000 plus trucks can truly comprehend the poverty that most of those in New Orleans experienced before Katrina hit. And so it seems even less likely that we can now make judgments about why those impoverished people stayed behind, nor can we really understand what drives some of them to behave now so inhumanely.

And it also seems like placing blame now for the maddeningly slow relief efforts, while the situation continues to show no real improvement, does nothing more than create more frustration and ill will. Look how much animosity was evident here, just within the confines of our small "community," where we're so far removed from the problem.

There will be plenty of time after the worst is over to determine blame and address it. I'm thinking that right now we just need to focus on help, in whatever way we're able to provide it.

I drive a 30+K truck now, but growing up - I grew up in poverty. We lived in government subsidized housing project in Akron Ohio. I can fully imagine if we had been told that we had X time to evacuate, that there would have been many who would not have left. I know the feeling.

I agree that we should just focus on help. we gave our donation to the REd Cross and to the Humane society.

I've seen several posts regarding Katrina and how the "poor, illiterate people" didn't evacuate because they're too stupid. Nice.

I've also seen a post claiming that "there must be more bad people than good people in New Orleans" because of all the looting. REALLY NICE.

Now, I see that I must be in the minority for thinking that the people who stayed behind weren't doing it because they were stupid, or because they were bad people. They stayed behind either because they didn't have a choice -- didn't have the means to get out of town -- or because they were trying to protect their stuff from looters, or from the water.

Even the Associated Press is racist.

http://www.hedonistica.com/image.php?path=/archives/ap_racist.jpg

Why is it that when the black person "found food" it was labeled as looting? Because we live in a society that continues to discriminates against people of different race and class. So sad.

I've seen several posts regarding Katrina and how the "poor, illiterate people" didn't evacuate because they're too stupid. Nice.

I've also seen a post claiming that "there must be more bad people than good people in New Orleans" because of all the looting. REALLY NICE.

Now, I see that I must be in the minority for thinking that the people who stayed behind weren't doing it because they were stupid, or because they were bad people. They stayed behind either because they didn't have a choice -- didn't have the means to get out of town -- or because they were trying to protect their stuff from looters, or from the water.

Even the Associated Press is racist.

http://www.hedonistica.com/image.php?path=/archives/ap_racist.jpg

Why is it that when the black person "found food" it was labeled as looting? Because we live in a society that continues to discriminates against people of different race and class. So sad.

Until people get out and talk to others or experience what others have been through, they will never understand how that peson feels or why they do what they do. Education, life experiences, and exposure to other cultures, gives me personally a better understanding for all nationalities. I deal with individuals on a one on one basis careful not to prejudge anyone until I see their true colors and they will present themselves in time. I too grew up in a low income family, worked my way to a B.A. degree, no loans for college except the grant in city college. But I pushed myself to be better. In my profession, I have seen the best and the worst of people. All we can do is help if we can, when we can and be on guard against those who pry, exploit, or take advantage of others in bad situations!

This is a horrible thing that's happened, but when I see victims of this tragedy look into the camera and demand help as if they're entitled to it instead of pleading for help, it makes me a little less than compassionate.

Sometimes, it's how you ask that's important. Also, please don't shoot at the people that my tax dollars are paying for to rescue you. Like every disaster, it just magnifies the person you already are. If your good, you'll be even better. If your bad, I guess you just try to kill the people trying to help you. I heard a lady on the radio today in tears talking about how a group of people tried to rape an 11 year old girl in the convention center, and when others tried to intervene, they were beaten to death.

They were warned before this storm, and provided with free transportation to leave, and there were buses that left empty. If they rebuild this city on the same unsafe premise that it was, it will be unfortunate. This pending disaster has been discussed before this hurricane happened in New Orleans. People just shrugged it off. Personally, I would never, never invest in real estate that lies inside an empty bowl surrounded by water trying to get in, but that's just me. This city has to pump out even their normal rain water. How crazy is this? They can't even handle normal precipitation with natural run off. Hope it all works out for them.

[They were warned before this storm, and provided with free transportation to leave, and there were buses that left empty. If they rebuild this city on the same unsafe premise that it was, it will be unfortunate. This pending disaster has been discussed before this hurricane happened in New Orleans. People just shrugged it off. Personally, I would never, never invest in real estate that lies inside an empty bowl surrounded by water trying to get in, but that's just me. This city has to pump out even their normal rain water. How crazy is this? They can't even handle normal precipitation with natural run off. Hope it all works out for them.[/QUOTE]

Could not agree more with the statement above. As I stated in an earlier post "it was never if it is going to happen, but when". Things are beginning to happen, our church had a list of items to gather for transpot to LA Wednesday by a group of siminarians. I just hope someone is in control in New Orleans other than the clowns that let all this happen.

Gas back below $3.00 in Tennessee this morning, maybe things are going to improve and I can park the Accord and get back in the Ridgeline. :)

For all of you living in Southern CA....

http://www.earthquakecountry.info/roots/roots.html

A good document to take a read through. Like hurricanes, earthquakes can do a lot of damage and it is only a matter of time before another big one shakes your part of the world... be prepared.

Waddayamean?I understand that those living on the left coast believe that sooner or later ‘The Big One’ will hit and everything east of the San Andreas Fault will fall into the Atlantic.