New PIAA Wiper Blades, in stock for Ridgeline! These are incredible.

Jason B
11-16-2005, 01:15 PM
I've started selling these wipers for other cars, and have customers begging for me to get them for their other cars and friends! They do work that well. It's wonder why something this good hasn't been available until now.

ORDER LINK:

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/zoomprod.php?id=ridg_p_bblade_06_up

Avaiable in black or carbon fiber style.

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/images/prodimages/piaa_black.jpg

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/images/prodimages/piaa_carbon.jpg

These are in stock and ship out same day.

Just a few customer reviews on an Infiniti forum we sponsor.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=M35M45&Number=67977545&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

tlaudio
11-16-2005, 01:29 PM
Do you have a group buy or any special discounts for ROC forum members?

TL

Jason B
11-16-2005, 01:34 PM
Yes, everything is already priced at the best possible prices specifically for "forum members". Everything we've added has been for you guys with very good pricing.

lowrider90
11-16-2005, 01:52 PM
Yes, everything is already priced at the best possible prices specifically for "forum members". Everything we've added has been for you guys with very good pricing.

Do you "winter blades" by piaa?
Here in the NE, I change over every December and I'm always glad I did it. I was just about to go search for a set of winter blades, you may have saved me some time!

Jason B
11-16-2005, 02:13 PM
These are what you want. I've yet to have anyone need replacements in the past year I've been selling these. No worries on these, they will do it! :)

mayfielh
11-16-2005, 02:15 PM
Jason is something wrong with your site? I was trying to add something to my cart and it is gagging.

TheRidgester
11-16-2005, 02:18 PM
Jason is something wrong with your site? I was trying to add something to my cart and it is gagging.
Same here...site is having issues

swampler
11-16-2005, 02:21 PM
Is it just me or does $45 for a pair of wiper blades seem ridiculous? Heck, I don't even use my wipers anymore over 45 thanks to rain-x. :D

mayfielh
11-16-2005, 02:30 PM
Is it just me or does $45 for a pair of wiper blades seem ridiculous? Heck, I don't even use my wipers anymore over 45 thanks to rain-x. :D
It costs me about $30 to replace my Acura TL blades.

Jason B
11-16-2005, 02:32 PM
Doing some updates, site will be back soon.

Yea, they aren't cheap, but it's really not too ridiculous when they work, don't squeak and last 3 times as long as regular blades. They pay for themselves, and clean like you wouldn't believe. I guarantee it! Be sure to read the reviews on that link from the other forum.

vertrkr
11-16-2005, 03:58 PM
It's really not ridiculous when they work, don't squeak and last 3 times as long as regular blades. They pay for themselves, and clean like you wouldn't believe. I guarantee it! Be sure to read the reviews on that link from the other forum.

Like SilBlades they are a quality rubber compound impregnated with silicone. They don't streak, smear, chatter or squeak and after awhile the silcone gets deposited into the pores of the glass and eventually the glass starts acting like you used Rain-X on it. I have both Silblades and PIAA blades on various cars of mine and friends and I highly recommend either one. My oldest blade is 4 years old and it's still like new. You can actually buy refills for the PIAAs if you don't want to swap out the whole wiper, Silblades don't offer refills.

scottIN
11-16-2005, 04:14 PM
Like SilBlades they are a quality rubber compound impregnated with silicone. They don't streak, smear, chatter or squeak and after awhile the silcone gets deposited into the pores of the glass and eventually the glass starts acting like you used Rain-X on it. I have both Silblades and PIAA blades on various cars of mine and friends and I highly recommend either one. My oldest blade is 4 years old and it's still like new. You can actually buy refills for the PIAAs if you don't want to swap out the whole wiper, Silblades don't offer refills.

I had the PIAA's on my MB and could only get about a year out of them before there was a noticable decrease in effectiveness. However, my car did sit outside in the South Carolina sun all the time, so that may have had something to do with it. I liked the PIAA's, they do work. And they're cheaper than the MB blades were anyway.
One thing I don't like about the blades / arms on this truck is that you can't raise the arms up during a wash.

o.c.ridge
11-16-2005, 04:30 PM
Thanks, let me know when you fix your web site. Right now I can't get past skip intro.

Tom

Jason B
11-16-2005, 05:43 PM
Everything is back to normal.

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/index.php

Jason B
12-15-2005, 07:36 PM
Blades in stock and will ship fedex express.

hijack204
12-15-2005, 10:00 PM
one flaw i noticed in the ridgeline design is I can't lift the wiper arms up to gently slam them on the winshield. So getting the ice of the wiper blades is very hard. The wiper heater works well at defrosting the winshield but just doesn't melt all the ice on the wiper. I guess i could just start and stop the wiper arm as if to change the blade and give it a good wack. anyways thats my wiper rant

BillB
12-16-2005, 10:27 AM
Anyone "ranting" about wiper design should feel free to do just that. One of the most flawed designed systems on this vehicle. I have done some ranting about various features and am willing to take my lumps from the "Honda does everything best" members out there when I do and I am also always willing to change my opinion when reminded there is a real reason I am wrong. I am going to bet there won't be too many out there to dispute that this "feature" sucks.

mayfielh
12-16-2005, 01:00 PM
I agree that the design is cumbersome. Astectically nice but a PITA when you need to change the blades or scoop snow.

But I bet the aerodynamic give us at least a .00000000000000000001% increase in MPG.

BillB
12-16-2005, 01:14 PM
Add that to the gains I got from 89 Octane and I am up to about .000000002 MPG total mileage improvement.

ahp6585
12-19-2005, 06:55 AM
I think I will order the blades, but not just for the great increase in mileage, no matter what I do I still need to fill-up when it gets to E :D

BillB
12-19-2005, 09:52 AM
AHP6585, all kidding aside, keep us in the loop as you decide how well the blades are working for you. More good word on improved performance will probably help me decide to splurge on some aftermarket blades.

swampler
12-19-2005, 11:35 AM
Yea, they aren't cheap, but it's really not too ridiculous when they work, don't squeak and last 3 times as long as regular blades. They pay for themselves, and clean like you wouldn't believe. I guarantee it! Be sure to read the reviews on that link from the other forum.
Mine work and don't squeak either. I guess they just aren't for me. :rolleyes:

nevadagarth
12-19-2005, 12:23 PM
I ordered the blades and have been impressed at this point. Of course I am pretty much always impressed because new blades are new blades and should work better than the old ones you are replacing.:rolleyes:

It does appear that the silicone is wearing off on the windshield. I seem to be getting more of the beading and rolling off of moisture. The biggest issue I have is with the high altitude sun. Wiper blades just do not last long out here. I hope to get a better life with these.

As far as the design of the wiper arms locations themselves, I also agree that even with the hood near vertical, you can not get the passenger arm more than a few inches off of the window and that is a P.I.T.A. I also agree that the "look" of the hidden wiper arms is cool. I think Honda did this not only for aesthetics and aerodynamics, but also for safety. The fact that the wiper arms are below the hood line greatly reduces the potential for injury to a pedestrian/cyclist if you unfortunately ever hit one. Honda has been one of, if not the leader, in vehicle-pedestrian safety. Have you seen the Honda commercial with the "dummy" hanging with an Accord barreling down on it? I remember reading or hearing something about the wiper arms can punture a victim in a crash. Ouch!

Jason B
12-21-2005, 01:31 PM
I ordered the blades and have been impressed at this point. Of course I am pretty much always impressed because new blades are new blades and should work better than the old ones you are replacing.:rolleyes:

It does appear that the silicone is wearing off on the windshield. I seem to be getting more of the beading and rolling off of moisture. The biggest issue I have is with the high altitude sun. Wiper blades just do not last long out here. I hope to get a better life with these.



Good deal. They are the most impressives blades I've seen to this point in my life. All my neighbors now have them, hehe. Still in stock and ship fedex express!

bliss53
12-28-2005, 06:46 AM
Got a set right before Xmas from Burtman. Very quick shipping via Fedex. Drove to Maine and back in the snow and rain. These blades are great. The original equipment blades were never as good as these even when new. Since I know I can get a very clean sweep, I am going through alot more fluid now. Highly recommended.

Perkolater
12-28-2005, 12:37 PM
Ordered mine today. Already heard from Jason to confirm my shipping address.
Nice customer service!

cdepuydt
12-28-2005, 04:05 PM
These sound pretty cool.... I might just have to order myself a pair.

This may be a stupid question....but I will ask it anyway.....I was reading somewhere (Not sure which thread) that the Ridgeline's wipers are different sizes. One is 22" and the other is 24". Is that true? If they are different sizes....did Piaa accomidate for this....?....in other words, when you order 2 wipers, you get the right sizes.

Jason B
12-28-2005, 06:13 PM
You will get the right sizes when you order from our site. We've done all the legwork for you, so no worries.

cdepuydt
12-28-2005, 07:07 PM
Jason....thanks....I'll have to order some next payday.

cdepuydt
12-29-2005, 10:56 AM
OK, just ordered a set today.....looking forward to getting/installing them. One comment, though: I think $9.99 for "shipping and handling" on a set of wiper blades is a bit excessive.

Perkolater
01-06-2006, 01:25 PM
Got the set of blades for my Ridgeline and have to admit they are every bit as good as Jason advertised!! So, I ordered a set for my wifes car too!

Fast shipping, good communication and quality products! Thanks Jason! I'll be sure to check with you again!

Jason B
01-06-2006, 01:42 PM
OK, just ordered a set today.....looking forward to getting/installing them.

You will love them, they really do WORK!

We ship fedex express on the blades, not ground. These means you get asap.

Perkolater
01-06-2006, 02:04 PM
You will love them, they really do WORK!

We ship fedex express on the blades, not ground. These means you get asap.

I can vouch for their shipping, I ordered the set for my wifes car on Wednesday and they were delivered today!

T Mac
01-06-2006, 05:50 PM
Just to add to the already steady conversation here... I have PIAA's on my Element and have had them on there for about two months now. Rain beads on the windshield and the snow and rain are easily gone. I have not had ice yet, but I'm quite pleased with the PIAA's that I got.

eric1build
01-06-2006, 05:59 PM
Holy High Price Blades. :eek: I think I'll wait till mine where out a little longer.
How easy is the install? Do they just pop on and off or do you have to use a wrench?

shortspark
01-06-2006, 06:59 PM
I'm wondering about the installation ease as well.

cdepuydt
01-07-2006, 11:10 AM
I'm wondering about the installation ease as well.

The installation of these blades are just as simple as any other wiper blade installation. They come with the correct adaptors. So, basically you take the old ones off, find the right adapter for the RL, snap it into the Piaa Wiper Blade "hook" and snap them onto the wiper arm on your RL.

It took me all of 5 minutes.

Note: You have to get your wipers going and shut the key off when the wipers are in a somewhat vertical position....otherwise you cannot get them on. You cannot just lift up the wiper arms and put them on, like you can with other vehicles.

Also, remember, the RL's wiper blades are two different sizes (One's 22" and the other is 24"), so make sure you change out the correct sized wipers.

bbnmcas
01-07-2006, 03:13 PM
ordered mine last night.

cdepuydt
01-09-2006, 08:51 PM
For all you folks in Calif., who are getting too much rain.....buy a set of these blades.....because after you do, it never rains. I installed mine over the New Years weekend and it hasn't rained or snowed since! :D

Sure.... When I WANT it to rain or snow (So I can test out my new blades) and it won't...

cdepuydt
01-16-2006, 06:56 PM
OK.....got to use my new Piaa wiper blades. Drove through 2 days of snow, slush, etc., and I have to say..... I am not overly impressed. I think they work OK, but IMHO, at this point, I do not think they are worth the money. They still squeak and chatter like $10 blades and they do streak the windshield. I was expecting a perfectly clean windshield after each wipe of the blade, but I am not getting it.

I am going to wait till it gets 1/2 way decent out, wash the windshield with soap and water again, treat it with the little towel again, and see how they work. I will report back after the 2nd treatment/washing.

mayfielh
01-16-2006, 08:09 PM
OK.....got to use my new Piaa wiper blades. Drove through 2 days of snow, slush, etc., and I have to say..... I am not overly impressed. I think they work OK, but IMHO, at this point, I do not think they are worth the money. They still squeak and chatter like $10 blades and they do streak the windshield. I was expecting a perfectly clean windshield after each wipe of the blade, but I am not getting it.


I wonder if the cold was causing the squeak. I installed a pair this weekend and we have had a fair amount of rain since and these things are silent.

After you treated the windshield you let it sit for 10 mins right? Then wiped it down and ran the wipers dry for 5 mins?

These are a good blade, $40 good ask me this time next year. If I'm replacing them then no if I get another 6 months out of them then yes.

swampler
01-16-2006, 08:12 PM
I wonder if the cold was causing the squeak.My stock wipers don't squeak. :eek: I'm sure glad I saved my money! :D

mayfielh
01-16-2006, 08:14 PM
My stock wipers don't squeak. :eek: I'm sure glad I saved my money! :D
Neither did mine but they sure were starting to streak.

swampler
01-16-2006, 08:16 PM
Neither did mine but they sure were starting to streak.I will admit, though, I start using Rain-X a couple of months ago and hardly ever use my wipers anymore since most of my mileage in on the Interstate. I did use them tonight, in town, with no streaking or sqeaking. Although, at nearly a year old, they probably will need replacing before too long.

mayfielh
01-16-2006, 08:23 PM
I'm usually happy if I can get 10 - 12 months out of a set. I used to use rain-x but it seemed to eat away at the blades so I haven't used it in years.

Perkolater
01-17-2006, 05:21 AM
I wonder if the cold was causing the squeak. I installed a pair this weekend and we have had a fair amount of rain since and these things are silent.

After you treated the windshield you let it sit for 10 mins right? Then wiped it down and ran the wipers dry for 5 mins?

These are a good blade, $40 good ask me this time next year. If I'm replacing them then no if I get another 6 months out of them then yes.

I completely agree, mine are silent and wipe the windsheild completely clean. I followed the installation instructions to a T. The "treatment" they leave on the windsheild works just like Rain-X.

IMO they are worth every nickle. I also bought a set for my wife's car and she has commented on how well they work.

cdepuydt
01-17-2006, 10:53 AM
As I said in my previous post... I followed the directions..... I washed the windshield with soap and water, dried it, wiped the windshield with the treatment wipe, allowed it to sit, wiped it down again, let it sit, and then ran the wipers over the dry/treated windshield for the time noted on the instructions (What was it, 5 minutes...?... I don't remember exactly).

Like I said, they work OK, but not as well as I had hoped. As mentioned above, I will do the treatment again and see how they work after that. If they continue to work like they have been...streaking (The worst thing, the main streak is right where I look through the windshield on the drivers' side) and chattering (Should $45 wipers ever chatter.....in cold or heat? I don't think so).....Jason is getting those suckers back!

shortspark
01-17-2006, 01:37 PM
I don't even need wipper blades - heck, it has not rained here in Texas in a year!! All kidding aside, I think I've had to use the wippers only three times since I've had the truck (bought it in May). I have put the Protectant 303 blade treatment on them but I think this stuff primarily is used to prolong the life of the rubber. As far as the glass goes, I get good results just by cleaning with Sprayway or Stoner's - both are very good glass cleaners.

bliss53
01-18-2006, 11:04 AM
I wonder if the cold was causing the squeak. I installed a pair this weekend and we have had a fair amount of rain since and these things are silent.

After you treated the windshield you let it sit for 10 mins right? Then wiped it down and ran the wipers dry for 5 mins?

These are a good blade, $40 good ask me this time next year. If I'm replacing them then no if I get another 6 months out of them then yes.

OK...I missed something. What is the treatment you speak of? I did not treat my windshield. I am know manic because I may have missed out on some marginal increase in my wiper blades effectiveness. I do not think I got any wipes with my blades. Burtman help me. I need to get a life...but that is for another tread in another forum.

mayfielh
01-18-2006, 11:14 AM
OK...I missed something. What is the treatment you speak of? I did not treat my windshield. I am know manic because I may have missed out on some marginal increase in my wiper blades effectiveness. I do not think I got any wipes with my blades. Burtman help me. I need to get a life...but that is for another tread in another forum.
The wipers I bought came with a sealed wipe in a foil package. It was effectively a rain-x wipe (only PIAA solution).

bliss53
01-18-2006, 11:56 AM
The wipers I bought came with a sealed wipe in a foil package. It was effectively a rain-x wipe (only PIAA solution).

I must have missed them in the package and tossed them out. They do work well even without the wipe treatment. I think my wife's Yukon will need a set soon. Maybe I will use the leftover wipes for the Ridgeline.

Cajun Country Ridgeline
04-20-2006, 10:34 PM
Doing some updates, site will be back soon.

Yea, they aren't cheap, but it's really not too ridiculous when they work, don't squeak and last 3 times as long as regular blades. They pay for themselves, and clean like you wouldn't believe. I guarantee it! Be sure to read the reviews on that link from the other forum.


Janson: I have been reading all the threads and was ready to purchase the PIAA blades. One of the neg. comments really bothers me, DO YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME KIND OF SPECIAL MATERIAL (COATING) BEFORE USING THE PIAA BLADES? I AM A CLEAN FREAK WHEN IT COMES TO MY WINDOWS AND I DONT NEED MORE MAINTAINENCE.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW ABOUT THIS!

Jason B
04-21-2006, 01:35 PM
NO WORRIES :) This is only a ONE TIME THING, and is only done one time only during the install...


http://www.piaa.com/WiperBlades/images/page-installation_04.gif
http://www.piaa.com/WiperBlades/images/page-installation_06.gif

Now bring on the ~~RAIN~~ : )

Cajun Country Ridgeline
04-21-2006, 08:07 PM
NO WORRIES :) This is only a ONE TIME THING, and is only done one time only during the install...


http://www.piaa.com/WiperBlades/images/page-installation_04.gif
http://www.piaa.com/WiperBlades/images/page-installation_06.gif

Now bring on the ~~RAIN~~ : )


Jason, Thankyou for your quick response! I will order some this coming week. BCP

cdepuydt
04-22-2006, 10:17 AM
Question for you PIAA wiper blade owners out there and/or Jason. Is there a good way to clean the silicone blades? I know with old rubber ones, you can just wipe them down with a soapy rag and they clean pretty well; or if you want to go the extra mile, wipe them down with a little rubbing alcohol.

But, is there any recommended and/or non-recommended ways to clean them?

Thanks.

rtpjunior
05-02-2006, 06:13 PM
I've started selling these wipers for other cars, and have customers begging for me to get them for their other cars and friends! They do work that well. It's wonder why something this good hasn't been available until now.

ORDER LINK:

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/zoomprod.php?id=ridg_p_bblade_06_up

Avaiable in black or carbon fiber style.

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/images/prodimages/piaa_black.jpg

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/images/prodimages/piaa_carbon.jpg

These are in stock and ship out same day.

Just a few customer reviews on an Infiniti forum we sponsor.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=M35M45&Number=67977545&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

I got my wipers from Burtman yesterday. I've had PIAA blades before, and they work great. Burtman industries is a great website, got the blades in like 3 days, price and shipping costs were very reasonable........P.S. The RL has one 22" and one 24" wiper blade, and I mixed them up while changing them. Can anyone do me a favor and take a look at their RL and tell me what side each is on ??

Jason B
05-02-2006, 06:16 PM
The LONGER balde goes on the driver side.

Still in stock!

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/zoomprod.php?id=ridg_p_bblade_06_up

rtpjunior
05-02-2006, 06:20 PM
The LONGER balde goes on the driver side.

Still in stock!

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/zoomprod.php?id=ridg_p_bblade_06_up

Thanks ............

cdepuydt
05-08-2006, 08:54 PM
Well, it's been almost 4 weeks, when I first called PIAA for my replacement blades (April 14th) and, still no blades. I called PIAA yesterday and they were closed for the day (For some reason I thought they had some weekend customer service hours....my mistake), so I left them a message.

I got a call back from a woman named Sue from PIAA today. She said the previous replacement blades were never sent out. Whomever took my call in April never put together a replacement order so they never got packaged/sent out. Sue said new replacement blades would be in the mail tomorrow. We'll see.....I am not overly confident right now....

cdepuydt
05-22-2006, 08:51 PM
OK....FINALLY got my replacement blades last week, Wednesday. Long time coming, but I finally got new blades to replace the other (defective) ones.

I installed the new ones yesterday and this time I took extra time washing/prepping the windshield. I took warm, soapy, water, washed all the dirt, bugs, ect., off the windshield. I took a dry microfiber cloth and dried it completely, making sure to get any/all the dirt off the windshield. I took the prep. application wipe from one pack, went over the entire windshield 2 times to make sure it was completely covered with the treatment; turning it over/unfolding it as I went along to make sure I was using the whole pad and getting all the treatment out of the pad as I could. I Wiped it dry and then took the treatment pad from the 2nd set of wipers and went over it two times with that one, flipping/unfolding this one also... to make sure I got as much treatment from the wipe to the windshield. The little treatment wipe was completely clean after wiping the windshield down with the 2nd wipe. So, as far as I could tell, there was no dirt and/or contaminants left on the windshield.

After that was complete, I took a clean, slightly damp, microfiber towel and wiped the windshield down. I went over it 3 times until the surface of the windshield looked the same from side to side, top to bottom; No smudges, smears, or anything like that. Then I carefully placed the wipers onto the windshield, turned them on, and let them run for a little over 10 minutes.

Now, after all that.... as far as I am concerned, they should work perfectly (As advertised). According to the weather report, I shouldn't have too long to wait to test them out. We are supposed to have a %40 chance of thunderstorms Wed and Thurs. I will report back after I have had a chance to use them.

Jason B
05-22-2006, 08:58 PM
Good deal, great prep.

One of the coolest things I like about these blades on my own car, is when it starts to rain and the water just beeds right up off the windshield onto the roof. You don't even really need to turn them on, hehe.

cdepuydt
06-07-2006, 10:30 PM
One of the coolest things I like about these blades on my own car, is when it starts to rain and the water just beeds right up off the windshield onto the roof. You don't even really need to turn them on, hehe.

True, but you could get the same thing outta a $5 bottle of Rain-X.

OK....I've given my new PIAA wiper blades a fairly good workout over the last couple of weeks. I've driven through some pretty good rain storms, had quite a few bugs smashed onto the windshield, cleaned the windshield, and went through (Rain, bugs, etc) it all again. So, I think I have a pretty good feel for these blades.

Bottom Line: Your money is better spent elsewhere.

Don't get me wrong, I think they are good blades, but not outstanding, and I am not really sure they are worth the premium price. I mean, I don't see these blades doing anything extraordinary that a very good rubber blade doesn't do when they are fairly new and your windshield is fairly clean. Bugs spatter still streaks across you windshield, you still get streaks from "environmental containments" (As the folks at PIAA like to say), and under the right conditions they will chatter across your windshield...just like a rubber blade will.

Personally, I think if you bought a good or premium rubber blade (You can get the premium rubber wiper blades for around $8 a piece), cleaned the windshield pretty well on a regular basis and treated the windshield with Rain-X, you'd pretty much get the same results as you do with the $44 PIAA wiper blades. (To really give the windshield a good cleaning....What I like to do is take baking soda, put enough water in it to make a runny paste, and rub the windshield really good with it, and then rinse it off. It works as a very mild abrasive, cleans the windshield really well, gets all the bugs and other junk off of it (It doesn't damage the windshield either), and gives your wipers a good clean surface to work with).

Again, I am happy with the PIAA blades, and they do a very good job when your windshield is perfectly clean (As will a good rubber blade) but I am not as impressed as I thought I would be. When these wear out, I will probably replace them with premium rubber blades.

Oh, and if the PIAA people were smart, they would put more than one packet of that preping stuff in with the blades. They should include enough for several treatments. I think that would help a little.

This is just one guy's opinion....and I know it goes against what Jason and the other folks here have said...but that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

arteegee
06-07-2006, 10:57 PM
One of the coolest things I like about these blades on my own car, is when it starts to rain and the water just beeds right up off the windshield onto the roof. You don't even really need to turn them on, hehe.
Rubber blades-$16
RainX-$4
Knowing I didn't buy $44 PIAA blades-Priceless...:p

brian1972ct
06-08-2006, 07:31 AM
I picked up a pair of Triple Edge silicone blades at Wal-Mart for about $15. Shockingly, they work really well! I was going to get the Siliblades or the PIAA's but decided to spend 1/3 of that and give the Triple Edges a shot first. Sure glad I did! :D