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Ridge
02-25-2006, 05:19 PM
I just saw a documentary called "Dealing Dogs" that talks about class B kennels and dog bunchers. Just a heads up about your dog and people (Bunchers) that may be looking to make a quick $20 bucks from selling your dog to a class B breeder who will then sell your dog for medical research for approx $200.00 - 250.00.

People have paid off their homes by dog bunching.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11416403/site/newsweek/

Bought to Be Sold
A new documentary investigates a dealer’s maltreatment of dogs intended for medical research.

Feb. 17, 2006 - Every year, close to 65,000 dogs are used for medical research in the United States. How do laboratories get the animals? Some come from licensed "Class A" dealers, who specifically breed dogs for research. But the majority of dogs are acquired from Class B dealers, who are also licensed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture—but who can obtain their dogs from various sources, including unlicensed sellers known as bunchers, for as little as $20.

The transactions are legal if the bunchers can prove they raised the animals themselves or acquired them from someone who did. But animal-rights groups claim that Class B dealers, who can sell the dogs for hundreds of dollars, often do not check the origins of the dogs they acquire—and that bunchers will pick up strays or simply steal dogs from backyards. Moreover, animal-rights groups claim, some dealers often neglect and abuse these dogs before selling them. Members of one animal-rights organization—Last Chance for Animals—spent six months undercover investigating one of these dealers. The conditions they found were deplorable. Dogs were crammed into narrow feces-covered cages, some malnourished or bleeding from open wounds. Some were already dead, their bodies lying stiff and unnoticed in the back of the cage. One dog, considered a “biter,” was shot in the head (“no sense in him breathing air that a good dog could breathe,” a kennel worker says). Other maggot-infested canine corpses were discovered in a trench, some of them butchered for their organs.

A new HBO documentary, "Dealing Dogs," tracks the investigation and its outcome: the shutting down of the Arkansas kennel and the fining of its owner, Chester C. Baird. Tom Simon, one of the producers of “Dealing Dogs,” —to be shown on Feb. 21— spoke to NEWSWEEK’s Christina Gillham about the film. Excerpts:

NEWSWEEK: How did you learn about this issue?
Tom Simon: We were originally interested in doing a film about animals used in research. As we began to dig into it we realized that the procurement of animals for use in research, particularly dogs, was a complicated and somewhat shady business. Many of the dogs used in research are not purpose-bred dogs, they are dogs that are acquired through Class B dealers. We found that that trade is not very well regulated, that there have been many, many allegations over the years that pets have been stolen from people’s yards or strays picked up by people who were then selling them to these B dealers. In the film, there are [bunchers] speaking to an investigator who admit driving around rich neighborhoods in St. Louis [looking to] pick up dogs. We became very interested in this supply chain, and we began to reach out to animal-rights groups that were investigating this.

And that’s how you came across Last Chance for Animals?
We heard about Last Chance and we had a meeting with [founder and president] Chris DeRose about five years ago. He mentioned casually they were trying to get someone to go undercover inside C. C. Baird’s kennel … So we begged DeRose to meet [the undercover investigator known as] "Pete," and a couple of weeks later we did, and we began to follow that story.

How rampant is the problem of Class B dealers acquiring animals illegally and treating them inhumanely?
There are about two dozen Class B dealers who are doing what C. C. Baird was doing, but he was by far the largest … By various estimates, Baird was selling several thousands dogs a year and selling to a lot of state university veterinary schools. They have to get their dogs from someplace, so some other B dealer is going to try to take over that business.

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Ridge
02-25-2006, 05:45 PM
The following is from the Humane Society.


http://www.hsus.org/animals_in_research/animals_in_research_news/Class_B_Dealers.html

Class B Dog and Cat Dealers Are No Friends to the Animals

One former commercial dog trader from the Midwest, interviewed by the AWI, admitted that many of the dogs in the research pipeline were clearly people’s pets. “Mostly hounds, gentle animals, house dogs, or pets. Y’know, something that wouldn’t bite you…They had collars with their name on them.” The trader went on to explain that his dogs would come from several states and that the people selling the dogs to the trader would write down fake names and addresses for the dogs.

To prevent Class B dealers from acquiring dogs through theft or from unknown sources, the USDA requires the dealers to obtain proof of ownership from anyone who sells or surrenders their animals to them. The dealer is required to keep on file the license plate number and driver’s license number of any person who sells to the dealer. However, some bunchers and dealers have been found to falsify information and/or fail to record this information, as in the case of C.C. Baird.

“Whether you have one dog or 100 dogs obtained illegally, it’s still too many,” says The HSUS’s Shain. “Current regulations make it all too easy for Class B dealers to falsify records if they want to. It’s not an easy paper trail to follow.”

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Dragonslayer
02-26-2006, 02:43 AM
I think that we as a nation should stop experimenting on dogs and cats and do it to hard criminals, that would be a good deterant to the crime situation .

basils
02-26-2006, 08:19 AM
I think that we as a nation should stop experimenting on dogs and cats and do it to hard criminals, that would be a good deterant to the crime situation .
That's a pretty harsh statement coming from a guy that considers himself to be so civilized and enlightened.
Didn't the Nazis already try this?
I do, however, agree that dogs shouldn't be used for any testing that can cause harm to the animal.

milehigh
02-26-2006, 09:58 AM
Another outrage on the abuse of animals... this horrific event took place here in a Denver suburb... two boys were playing "catch" with a 3-week old puppy...

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=a26be078-0abe-421a-0198-6704d4d30fee&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf

Dragonslayer
02-26-2006, 11:10 AM
I do not advocate experimenting on innocent people just on the cruel and malicious ones who do not care about the lives of others . It would certainly save the nation dollars that could be better spent on healthcare and education . By the way I am 1/4 jewish on my dads side . What did any animal do to deserve being cut upon or maimed for our sakes, what have murderers, rapists and molesters done for our society but to suck up more tax money .

basils
02-26-2006, 11:18 AM
Hmmmmmm, is it open season on cats????
Sorry Bedrock....not on cats either.

What did any animal do to deserve being cut upon or maimed for our sakes, what have murderers, rapists and molesters done for our society but to suck up more tax money .
Animals don't deserve anything other than humane treatment on our part. We are stewards in our relationship with them.
Rapists, molesters, murderers, etc. are still human beings (the bottom of the barrel though). I would advocate the death penalty....but never experimentation unless they consent to it.

Ridge
02-26-2006, 11:44 AM
There are some scientists that feel if your developing a medication for people there is nothing better than testing it on people in the first place since what is effective on dogs and monkeys is not always effective on people. The research would move much faster if done directly on humans.

The victims of these diseases are often desparate to particapate in these experimental studies, but are prohibited to by ethics commities. We should let these people participate in their cure. When there are willing human subjects, animals should not be used.

Of course all cosmetics should be tested directly on Paris Hilton. :D

Ridge
02-26-2006, 11:46 AM
Sorry Bedrock....not on cats either.


Animals don't deserve anything other than humane treatment on our part. We are stewards in our relationship with them.
Rapists, molesters, murderers, etc. are still human beings (the bottom of the barrel though). I would advocate the death penalty....but never experimentation unless they consent to it.

We could offer them incentives to encourage participation. It's an excellent way for these people to actually contribute something great to society that they never would have before.

I'm not talking about early release, but maybe a well appointed cell with dish TV and internet access, much like the one I'm in 90% of the time. :D

basils
02-26-2006, 11:57 AM
Hmmmmmm, since you called me Bedrock, instead of Redrock, are you saying I am hard headed????
Sooo sorry! My typing skills are extremely poor. Redrock, redrock,redrock....ok, I think I got it now! :D

milehigh
02-26-2006, 12:14 PM
Of course all cosmetics should be tested directly on Paris Hilton.

Here here!

Dragonslayer
02-26-2006, 03:30 PM
Oh of course they should give consent , but maybe if they had the option of death or experimentation maybe they could see their way to atone their sins against others who did not give their consent to be murdered, raped or molested . Cruelty is cruelty no matter how you spell it . The decision is not ours .

3SuperSports
02-26-2006, 04:18 PM
I watched the documentary "Dealing Dogs" about a week ago. It was tough for me to watch it all the way through. I told my wife about the show later on that day when she got home from shopping. She taped the show, since it came on again around 2:00am. Before she got a chance to watch it, she told her Sister, who is a Veterinarian about the show. She had already seen it and told my wife not to watch. She said that she'd probably never get some of the images out of her head.
She's a very humane Vet. and has helped close a few puppy mills in the midwest with another Vet. friend of hers.

Ridge
02-26-2006, 07:15 PM
Could we add Tammy Faye (one time Baker) Messiner???? from PTL to the testing group??? When PTL folded, she mentioned wanting a cosmetic firm to pick her up as a spokesperson for their product!!!!! :eek: :D

Actually my plan was when Paris is unable to work because of swollen lips, rash breakouts on her face and puffy tearing eyes, Pam Anderson would fill in for her. .........What the hec, we'll throw Tammy Faye on the relief list.