Just bought a set of Acura RL rims off eBay for $375 shipped. They don't come with the TPMS or lugs. I have the RT Ridgeline and need to know if I can reuse the lug nuts that are currently used with the steel rims, or do I need new ones from Honda that are for the alloy rims?

You need to make sure you NEVER haul anything while using the Acura wheels. They do not have the load rating anywhere close to what the Ridgeline needs.

Dangerous!

You need to make sure you NEVER haul anything while using the Acura wheels. They do not have the load rating anywhere close to what the Ridgeline needs.

Dangerous!

Joe

Several of us have Acura RL wheels on the Ridge. How do we determine difference in load ratings? Surely we must be able to haul something with these alloy wheels. Is there a place / method of determing load limits using the Acura RL wheels ?

Thanks for ur advice.

Joe

Several of us have Acura RL wheels on the Ridge. How do we determine difference in load ratings? Surely we must be able to haul something with these alloy wheels. Is there a place / method of determing load limits using the Acura RL wheels ?

Thanks for ur advice.

Sorry, but can't give you specs. Do a search on some of the statements that Gary Flint (Ridgeline Cheif Engineer) made on this subject. He warned against such things.

I would ESTIMATE that the Acura RL wheels have only about 1/2 the load rating of the Ridgeline factory wheels.

The tires on the RL are rated at 1709 each and on the Ridgeline at 2039 each.

I would assume that the wheels can handle more than the tires, Honda/Acura would build in a safty margin. :)

With the Ridgeline load weight of 6050 you should be fine. Unless you overload your vehicle. How often do you run a max weight? :eek:

That being said...I would expect a failure from low tire pressure before I would expect to see a wheel fracture.

Just know if you have an accident that results in serious injury or death and it is thoroughly investigated you MAY end up getting smacked around financially or criminally for running improper equipment (assuming the load rating of the wheels is incorrect and wheel failure caused or created an aggravated condition to cause the accident).


It's a risk all modders take.

The tires on the RL are rated at 1709 each and on the Ridgeline at 2039 each.

I would assume that the wheels can handle more than the tires, Honda/Acura would build in a safty margin. :)

With the Ridgeline load weight of 6050 you should be fine. Unless you overload your vehicle. How often do you run a max weight? :eek:

That being said...I would expect a failure from low tire pressure before I would expect to see a wheel fracture.

Wheels are the Acura RL alloys but tires are original equip Ridgeline. Don't think I will ever run a max load. Primary function of this RL is get golf clubs to course and back. Does some neighborhood work like moving TV's etc. but will never see a tow hitch or anything more than some Home Depot stuff.

Thanks for input. I'm still trying to find Acura RL alloy load limits vis a vis Ridgeline RTS alloys.

Ok, I've searched this forum under "acura rl wheels", "acura wheels", and "gary flint" and I can't find anything on him warning us of using the RL wheels on our Ridgelines. I did find quotes about changing the offset and that kind of thing but nothing specifically stating not to use Acura wheels. I'm going to look at my wheels and see if I can see anything about load rating and get back with you.

Don't think I will ever run a max load. What about the next owner...after you trade it in or sell it?

What about the next owner...after you trade it in or sell it?

For my part ...

A: Don't plan to get rid of it for a long time.

B: If plan A needs amendment, will just re-install original equip alloys and new tires if needed.

Ok, I've searched this forum under "acura rl wheels", "acura wheels", and "gary flint" and I can't find anything on him warning us of using the RL wheels on our Ridgelines. I did find quotes about changing the offset and that kind of thing but nothing specifically stating not to use Acura wheels. I'm going to look at my wheels and see if I can see anything about load rating and get back with you.


Hey Nighthawk

Your install and pictures were part of my inspiration to acquire the Acura wheels. Please keep me in the pipeline if you find out more this issue or ... if by your own experience we can all learn.

Thanks

Here's his interview (http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/flint1.htm)with the ROC.

From page 6:

ROC: How integrated are the stock wheels into the design/suspension?
Gary Flint: All vehicles are engineered and validated with a specific wheel size, off-set and DLR (dynamic loaded radius). Changing any of these parameters can affect wheel bearing life, brake life/performance, roll-over stability, crash performance, and speedometer calibration (which is regulated even for a consumer due the inaccuracy in the odometer reading). The Ridgeline tire provides the best overall performance, handling, snow/ice performance, off-road performance, rolling resistance, and load rating. The owner’s manual verbiage is very strong on this subject with good reason.
The following post already adequately commented on this issue:
Before modifying your wheels, you should read page 180-181 of your owner’s manual:
The warning in bold states:
Improper accessories or modifications can affect your vehicles handling, stability, and performance, and cause a crash which you can be hurt or killed.
Follow all instructions in this owner’s manual regarding accessories and modifications.
Specific examples of what not to do are listed on page 181:
Lowering the vehicle with a non-Honda suspension kit that significantly reduces round clearance can allow the undercarriage to hit speed bumps or other raised objects which could cause the airbags to deploy.
Raising your vehicle with a non-Honda suspension lit can affect the handling and stability.
Non-Honda wheels, because they are a universal design, can cause excessive stress on suspension components and will not be compatible with the tire pressure monitoring system.
Larger or smaller wheels can interfere with the operation of your vehicles antilock brakes and other systems.
Modifying your steering wheel or any other part of your vehicle’s safety system could make the systems ineffective.

The Ridgeline’s tires and wheels were specifically designed to meet the load rating, handling, and crash performance of this vehicle. Any aftermarket wheel will not meet the strength requirements these wheels have been subjected to. Therefore it is an exceedingly bad idea to replace them with ANYTHING other than the Honda accessory wheel. Additionally, you should be aware making this type of modification voids any warranty claim relating to the suspension, brakes or drivetrain. Proceed with caution.
Increasing the tire diameter changes the radius of the wheel which in effect changes the gear ratio. This will have a significant negative affect on the launch performance of your vehicle and is therefore ill advised. It will also affect your ability to haul and tow. Any changes resulting in an increase of DLR are not advised because of the significant affect on the overall final drive ratio. This will affect the dynamic performance and torque margin when cruising on the highway (resulting in more frequent shifting).
Changing the off-set or width of the wheel significantly affects the load inputs into the suspension and wheel bearings. Again, altering the geometry of the suspension in this fashion is ill advised.
The wheel also plays a role in the crash performance of your vehicle. A large wheel such as that found on the Ridgeline, is driven rearward and affects the crash mode of the vehicle. Altering the wheel with an aftermarket wheel that certainly does not meet Honda’s strength or crash requirements is dangerous and could result in death or bodily injury. The owners’ manual verbiage is very strong on this matter.
Finally, the tire was specifically developed to meet the on-road, off-road, snow performance, NVH level, and load capacity for this vehicle. If you change the tire to an alternate design, make sure the load index rating is an equivalent number (=105). This modification will significantly affect the ability to maintain safe and confident handling when your Ridgeline is loaded.

Gary Flint would have you change nothing. He has to say that...if he didn't someone would instigate litigation against Honda. He works for a large corporation, if he said it was okay to change the wheels and then someone got into an accident with the stock wheels he could be liable because he knew there was a better/safer wheel out there. If I were to quote Gary "Any aftermarket wheel will not meet the strength requirements these wheels have been subjected to." He is saying that there is no stronger wheel than a Honda wheel? I find that hard to believe that no one can make wheel stronger that a Honda wheel...please Honda is good but...can't be done? Does he also makes it sound as if the wheels are overkill for the application intended.

Prior to installing the Acura RL wheels I did a search for the wheel load ratings and could only come up with tire ratings...based on those I decided it was a reasonable risk. As a owner and not a wheel and tire expert the tire shop has far greater responsibility and liability. If they are not worried, then I am not worried.

Should we compare load ratings on the stock Acura RL wheels and Ridgeline tires to the 22 inch and others that are being installed? :confused:

I guess if it makes you nervous and you think you will be sued, then don't do it and leave well enough alone. But if that is the case, don't drink coffee while you drive, don't talk on the cell phone, don't play CDs and blah, blah, blah...you might be sued if you get into an accident with any of the previous. Just stay inside and hide from the sharks. :eek:

Better only use Honda oil, brake pads and wiper blades because other blades might fly off the vehicle and cause you to crash. If Michelin discontinues the present tire you should sell your truck because the truck has been designed around these items and anything other then stock is unsafe.

Be reasonable in your wheel and tire choices...Gary Flint is not GOD.

Prior to installing the Acura RL wheels I did a search for the wheel load ratings and could only come up with tire ratings...based on those I decided it was a reasonable risk.

Yes, you did accept the risk. That is all I was trying to convey in my posts.

Yes, I agree any changes to the vehicel are a risk.

Based on the above (IMHO) installing wheels and tires are rated for more than the vehicle weight is an acceptable risk. And they are easier to claen than the stock wheels.

Thanks to all for the providing comprehensive and thoughtful input to the question. It's good information and cause for consideration. For me, it's a question of cosmetics and since the 2005/2006 Acura RL 17 " wheel is the same size, bolt pattern and I think the same offset as the Ridge that's where I am heading. I just like it better than the originals.
Really appreciate the infomed opinions and discussion.

Just bought a set of Acura RL rims off eBay for $375 shipped. They don't come with the TPMS or lugs. I have the RT Ridgeline and need to know if I can reuse the lug nuts that are currently used with the steel rims, or do I need new ones from Honda that are for the alloy rims?

Habsfan

sorry we got off track with the question. Cismos answer did not address ur issue and then I got into the ....

I think you need new lug nuts. You can get them on Ebay for around $30 as opposed to Hondas 40 plus dollars. Prob they show up the same place u found ur wheels. I got my Acura wheels on ebay for $270 all in but I jumped on them when they appeared. Also took a chance because they were not fully described but figured I could always unload em if I had to. Anyway, again apologize for hijacking the thread.

p.s. I'm transferring my TPMS sensors. Local Honda shop quoted $44.00 per each and even discount internet looks like over $25.00 per. I'm not sure the RT has the TPMS system but thought I'd cover that also. Discount tire is doing the labor for just over $100 complete with dynamic balancing.

good luck with your mods.

Gary Flint would have you change nothing. He has to say that...if he didn't someone would instigate litigation against Honda. He works for a large corporation, if he said it was okay to change the wheels and then someone got into an accident with the stock wheels he could be liable because he knew there was a better/safer wheel out there. If I were to quote Gary "Any aftermarket wheel will not meet the strength requirements these wheels have been subjected to." He is saying that there is no stronger wheel than a Honda wheel? I find that hard to believe that no one can make wheel stronger that a Honda wheel...please Honda is good but...can't be done? Does he also makes it sound as if the wheels are overkill for the application intended.

Prior to installing the Acura RL wheels I did a search for the wheel load ratings and could only come up with tire ratings...based on those I decided it was a reasonable risk. As a owner and not a wheel and tire expert the tire shop has far greater responsibility and liability. If they are not worried, then I am not worried.

Should we compare load ratings on the stock Acura RL wheels and Ridgeline tires to the 22 inch and others that are being installed? :confused:

I guess if it makes you nervous and you think you will be sued, then don't do it and leave well enough alone. But if that is the case, don't drink coffee while you drive, don't talk on the cell phone, don't play CDs and blah, blah, blah...you might be sued if you get into an accident with any of the previous. Just stay inside and hide from the sharks. :eek:

Better only use Honda oil, brake pads and wiper blades because other blades might fly off the vehicle and cause you to crash. If Michelin discontinues the present tire you should sell your truck because the truck has been designed around these items and anything other then stock is unsafe.

Be reasonable in your wheel and tire choices...Gary Flint is not GOD.


I couldn't have said it better myself.... including the Michelin part!

Gary Flint has a job to do by saying what he says as any conscientious engineer would and should do. All engineers should know this. He's concerned about the well being and safety of any individual who buys a well-engineered Honda product and dresses it up with cheap aftermarket parts that may have been manufactured overseas in a sweat shop with zero Q.C. and could thus affect overall safety issues with the truck.

Someone who will load his truck up with a 1/2-ton of stone should maybe think twice before using thin-spoked 22's with wild offsets. But, then again, there are a lot of stupid people out there and a general warning is in order for people just like that.

Common sense...that's all there is to it. If you don't know, just ask someone who does know.

For the record, I wasn't taking sides on to change or not to change...just helping the poster find the information he couldn't find himself.

Also I think certain Honda centers will fit the RL wheels, just maybe not the Ridgeline centers.

just inputing my two cents. but i have been running RL wheels on my Ridge for about 5 months now and i havent had any problems. You can use your stock lugnuts and the original Honda center caps fit with no problem. I've checked my wheels everytime i do a service and i havent noticed any cracks or problems with the wheels. only think i don't like about the wheels is they show more of the brake caliper so i guess i will have to paint my calipers =)

Just bought a set of Acura RL rims off eBay for $375 shipped. They don't come with the TPMS or lugs. I have the RT Ridgeline and need to know if I can reuse the lug nuts that are currently used with the steel rims, or do I need new ones from Honda that are for the alloy rims?

Just to let you know I have the lugs that came w/ my Acura RL wheels if you need them. I reused the lugs from my stock alloy wheels. PM me and we can work something out.

Be reasonable in your wheel and tire choices...Gary Flint is not GOD.

I haven't been to a House of Worship in awhile, but you are probably right about the GOD thing.

However, there is strong evidence presented all over the forum that this guy actually might know something about how this particular combination of wheel and tire became integrated into the overall safety goal of the vehicle. Now that does not make him GOD, nor does it remove my feelings that there were some design choices that could have been more thought out (the windshield noise caused by poor or not so well thought out choice of glass gasket and installation technique comes to mind every time I drive on the highway), but I think changing the wheel/tire mix on this truck should not be done without thinking of the possible downsides.

i dont get it why do you guys wanna put car rims on a truck? what is so nice abuout the rl wheels?

i dont get it why do you guys wanna put car rims on a truck? what is so nice abuout the rl wheels?

If you have to ask you just don't get it. By the same token, I don't understand putting our $2000 +/- for 20" chrome bling when I can get the costmetic effect I like for $400. Just an fyi...the rl wheel is almost exactly the same wheel as the RL orign. Same size, tire specs etc. but some of us think it's a better looking wheel.

Why on earth would anyone want to supercharge a truck ?

Or race an RSX.

I guess it's called personal choice.

Regards

I have the Acura RL wheels, the center caps, and the lug nuts for alloy wheels. I just returned from the tire shop and they said that the angle for the TPMS is not quite right and they didn't want to reuse them and damage them. I have the Ridgeline RT with the steel wheels. I was under the assumption that the TPMS would be the same for the alloy wheels as for the steel wheels. Those that got the Acura rims mounted, did you replace the steel wheels or the oem alloys and what was the process you used? I thought this was going to be a straight forward swap. Any more input would be appreciated.

I changed from OEM steel wheels to OEM Alloy rims. I changed the valve stem which inlclude the deformable nut and mounting screw for the TPMS sensor. I kept the same sensor body.

see this thread: http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3400&highlight=tpms+sensor+heads

and here: http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8739

If you use the searh button there are quite a few posts on this topic.

I have the Acura RL wheels, the center caps, and the lug nuts for alloy wheels. I just returned from the tire shop and they said that the angle for the TPMS is not quite right and they didn't want to reuse them and damage them. I have the Ridgeline RT with the steel wheels. I was under the assumption that the TPMS would be the same for the alloy wheels as for the steel wheels. Those that got the Acura rims mounted, did you replace the steel wheels or the oem alloys and what was the process you used? I thought this was going to be a straight forward swap. Any more input would be appreciated.

Habsfan: I changed from OEM alloys to Acura RL alloys. Sucessfully used the tpms sensors from the OEM's. The Acura RL alloys are essentially the same fitment specs as the Oems. Had the guys at Discount Tires shop examine and approve and install. Paid $119 for dismount, remount, replace center caps, tmps sensor transfer and dynamic balancing.

Suggest you call Honda or Acura dealer and ask them about the swap and if there is different specs for the steel tpms. Could be your tire guys are jobbing you. (or not)

Having read some other threads, its entirely possible I have compromised the sensor nut . Will have them checked again but so far have no indications anything is amiss. Worth checking however.

This is what I have gathered so far. Background, Ridgeline RT w/steel rims. Looking to put on the Acura RL alloy rims retaining the TPMS functionality. From the local Honda dealership; the TPMS sensors can be reused but the valve stem assembly has to be swapped out. There is a difference between the steel stems and the alloy stems, the TPMS sensors are the same. The valve stem assembly for alloys can be had at the local Honda dealership for $11.72 each. I guess I'll pick up the new stems and give the install another shot. Will follow up with more later.

Worth checking however.A quick check would be to lower the air in your tires to see if the TPMS comes on or not. Then refill to the recommended pressure. I would check all 4 tires in this manner since you reused parts that were not meant to be reused.

If you have to ask you just don't get it. By the same token, I don't understand putting our $2000 +/- for 20" chrome bling when I can get the costmetic effect I like for $400. Just an fyi...the rl wheel is almost exactly the same wheel as the RL orign. Same size, tire specs etc. but some of us think it's a better looking wheel.

Why on earth would anyone want to supercharge a truck ?

Or race an RSX.

I guess it's called personal choice.

Regards


i dunno ask the ford lightning guys aor the HD guys

and who races an rsx? i didnt. but nice try at lame cheap shot says the guy riding on car rims

For the record, I wasn't taking sides on to change or not to change...just helping the poster find the information he couldn't find himself.

Update: I looked at the specs for the Acura Wheel It's 17" x 8 five spoke. Since it is made for Honda by the same sub contractor (enkei I think) and since it's specific for the awd drive acura, I conclude that these wheels mounted with OEM Ridge tires will conform to the specs spelled out on page 181 of the owners manual which you referenced for us. It is a Honda Accesory wheel, does not change wheel diameter or tire sizes. Of course it's possible that the "load" rating is somewhat different than the OEM but I seriously doubt it differs substantially. Since I will never reach a 1500 lb. bed load, I'm confortable with the decision.

Additionally, at your suggestion I tested the TPMS. Had to take out 10 psi (35 to 25) before the sensor activated but at that point performed per spec.

I want to thank you and Cismo for the inputs. Information sharing and alternate points of view are what make this forum so valuable to Ridgeline owners.

Regards,

Just an FYI, but the load rating of a wheel is more dependent on the lug quantity and configuration. If you exceed the load rating of a wheel, 99% of the time you will shear the lugs off before you cause any deformation of the wheel (pots holes dont really apply here). Thats why you see HD trucks with more lugs. Hubcentric configuration will also increase load ratings.

Just an FYI, but the load rating of a wheel is more dependent on the lug quantity and configuration. If you exceed the load rating of a wheel, 99% of the time you will shear the lugs off before you cause any deformation of the wheel (pots holes dont really apply here). Thats why you see HD trucks with more lugs. Hubcentric configuration will also increase load ratings.

Acura RL wheel is 5x120 bolt pattern exact as RL From the inside, hard to tell if there is any difference at all at the hub. Specs I have indicate they are the same, only difference is 7.5 vs 8.0 ridge/acura.

Thanks for info.

I finally got some good information from what I consider a reliable source.

The wheels for the Ridgeline, both factory and Honda aftermarket (for the Ridgeline) are rated at 902kg per wheel.

The Acura RL wheels are only rated at 690kg per wheel.

The comment was "DO NOT TOW OR HAUL ANY LOADS WITH THE ACURA RL WHEELS ON A RIDGELINE".

Joe,

thanks for your consideration and diligent follow up. Info is useful and fair warning to those of us with Acura Wheels. May or may not keep em but your input is valuable/useful info to consider.

Got the correct valve stems and am going to try for the second time tomorrow to have the Acura RL rims installed. My question now is about center caps. I like the ones that have the black 'H' logo instead of the all silver ones. Will the following from eBay fit without any issues? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Accord-Element-Odyssey-Pilot-Wheel-Center-Caps_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43961QQihZ003QQite mZ130020357493QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I finally got some good information from what I consider a reliable source.

The wheels for the Ridgeline, both factory and Honda aftermarket (for the Ridgeline) are rated at 902kg per wheel.

The Acura RL wheels are only rated at 690kg per wheel.

The comment was "DO NOT TOW OR HAUL ANY LOADS WITH THE ACURA RL WHEELS ON A RIDGELINE".

Sounds about right. Honda thru my source, stated take gross vehicle axle weight & divide by 2. That is your minimum rim load rating requirement.
On he other hand, talked to Enkei, you makes the acura rim, stated that rim is rated at 780kg, still not enough for the Ridgeline.
Also after speaking with Enkei, BBS, 5Zeigen , most rims they make are rated at 690kg. When I asked why they would market this for the Ridgeline, they had no comment, other they would issue a case number and have it checked out. Unfortunately for us, the bolt pattern is that of some smaller honda's/Acura's.
Bottom line, me included NEVER KNEW.... check rim load rating before you buy, and do'nt listen to the sales goof's at tire rack etc, that state, not to worry about it because the test rated loads are always exceeded by 200%, yet when I asked for it in writing, somehow I was disconnected:rolleyes:

After talking to certain people in the engineering department in Torrance, California I am told that the Acura RL wheels do not pose a problem unless you overload your Ridgeline. Should you overload the Ridgeline you will risk overloading the breaking system and also risk structural problems. The Acura wheels pose no risk to towing since the load of the tow is on the axels and wheels of the trailer. Torrance does caution that you do not overload the factory hitch recommended tongue weight restrictions.

Torrance tells me that under inflated tires are more of a problem and that is the reason for tire pressure sensors. Also over or under tightening the wheels is a grater risk to loss of vehicle control.

At this point in time there are no known failures of the Ridgeline or Acura RL factory wheels.

Should you be a person that likes to follow the written word...then read the manual and make no changes to your Ridgeline. Use only factory oil, hitches, light bulbs, etc. But if you like to follow the written word then also do not talk to children while driving because that will potentially cause a greater risk of an accident than talking on the cell phone or changing radio stations.

The bottom line is…Use common sense when loading or towing with your Ridgeline.

After talking to certain people in the engineering department in Torrance, California I am told that the Acura RL wheels do not pose a problem unless you overload your Ridgeline. Should you overload the Ridgeline you will risk overloading the breaking system and also risk structural problems. The Acura wheels pose no risk to towing since the load of the tow is on the axels and wheels of the trailer. Torrance does caution that you do not overload the factory hitch recommended tongue weight restrictions.

Torrance tells me that under inflated tires are more of a problem and that is the reason for tire pressure sensors. Also over or under tightening the wheels is a grater risk to loss of vehicle control.

At this point in time there are no known failures of the Ridgeline or Acura RL factory wheels.

Should you be a person that likes to follow the written word...then read the manual and make no changes to your Ridgeline. Use only factory oil, hitches, light bulbs, etc. But if you like to follow the written word then also do not talk to children while driving because that will potentially cause a greater risk of an accident than talking on the cell phone or changing radio stations.

The bottom line is…Use common sense when loading or towing with your Ridgeline.

PLEASE let me know who you talked to. Honda needs to be rid of that person. Several lies in that one.

Send me a PM or email and let me know who you talked to. I'm sure they won't be with Honda next week.

DO NOT FOLLOW THE ABOVE ADIVCE. IT'S DANGEROUS AND JUST PLAIN WRONG!

PLEASE let me know who you talked to. Honda needs to be rid of that person. Several lies in that one.

Send me a PM or email and let me know who you talked to. I'm sure they won't be with Honda next week.

DO NOT FOLLOW THE ABOVE ADIVCE. IT'S DANGEROUS AND JUST PLAIN WRONG!

Csimo is 1000% correct on this one. RL wheels are extremely hard. The hardness of the RL wheel is necessary in transferring the impact force in a head on collision from the front end of the RL to the body. If you don't believe me, go out and kick your drivers side front mud flap as hard as you can. You should come back with a swollen foot if you do the experiment correctly. You will find out that it isn't just a drain for the base of your windshield, it has a huge piece of steel in it. This is there to transfer the force the wheel is transferring to the body of the truck. This is also why Honda discourages against putting a lift kit on the RL. If you raise the RL, you defeat this built in safety feature. If you don't care about safety, go ahead with swapping the wheels. I was all in favor of doing a wheel swap until I found this out. Now there is no way I'll do a wheel swap until I find a wheel that is as hard as the RL's stock wheels.

These reponses and inputs are very informative. Still, it begs the question why the Honda dealers are providing and installing non-stock wheels. I'll get to a dealer in near future and see if they can explain the spoked 20 inchers et al sold off the floor as regards the safety issues you all have raised. It does seem however if the dealer is selling tricked out RL's right off the floor, someone either knows something we don't or someone (a lot of dealers) don't care or don't have the info. All inputs and info greatly appreciated. Keep the cards and letters coming.

These reponses and inputs are very informative. Still, it begs the question why the Honda dealers are providing and installing non-stock wheels. I'll get to a dealer in near future and see if they can explain the spoked 20 inchers et al sold off the floor as regards the safety issues you all have raised. It does seem however if the dealer is selling tricked out RL's right off the floor, someone either knows something we don't or someone (a lot of dealers) don't care or don't have the info. All inputs and info greatly appreciated. Keep the cards and letters coming.

I know a little about this subject, but keep in mind that much of this is based on state laws that vary from state to state.

Most dealers will have you sign a Warranty Disclaimer at time of purchase, and many will have you sign an Off-Road Disclaimer if the vehicle was purchased with aftermarket accessories.

Believe it or not most courts have held that new car dealers are NOT qualified as experts regarding aftermarket accessories or modifications. The dealers have no engineers on staff and thus the customer has no right to expect that the dealer has the expert knowledge to know if the aftermarket accessories are even street legal or not. This is one of the few areas that the courts are on the side of a car dealership.

Most aftermarket accessories, wheels included, will have fine print telling you that their product is for off road use only and are not intended for any specific purpose whatsoever. Why this holds up in court I have no idea.

In most cases when you install an aftermarket modification you accept the burden of responsibility... not the installer and probably not the manufacturer.

As is pointed out above, most of the aftermarket wheels listed for the Ridgeline are not designed for the Ridgeline. They fit the Ridgeline... just as they may fit several other Honda or Acura vehicles. There's a big difference between a product that happens to fit the Ridgeline and one that's designed for the Ridgeline.

Still, it begs the question why the Honda dealers are providing and installing non-stock wheels. I'll get to a dealer in near future and see if they can explain the spoked 20 inchers et al sold off the floor as regards the safety issues you all have raised. It does seem however if the dealer is selling tricked out RL's right off the floor, someone either knows something we don't or someone (a lot of dealers) don't care or don't have the info.
Same reason some dealers put snake oil (additives) in your crankcase or suggest ignoring MM. Your dealer is not American Honda. Some are better representatives than others.:rolleyes:

Still, it begs the question why the Honda dealers are providing and installing non-stock wheels. Very simple, really. Simple economics. Non-stock wheels are popular now and the dealer want some of the profit associated with it. Throw on some after market wheels, add their own margin to the cost and there you go.

It seems that we here on the ROC are much more knowledgeable than 90% of the dealers out there. The information that I posted pertaining to there being a steel piece in the mud flap was news to my dealer. He asked me if I would teach a class to the salespeople at his dealership on the RL. He actually went out on the lot to check to see if my story was BS.

I think that Honda may be missing an opportunity in correctly training their salespeople on the RL, at least in my neck of the woods.

Very simple, really. Simple economics. Non-stock wheels are popular now and the dealer want some of the profit associated with it. Throw on some after market wheels, add their own margin to the cost and there you go.

Seems that you are saying there is no need for dealer to identify potential safety issues which equates to no morality. Wouldn't an ethical business at least be required to print warning labels or tell an unknowing customer (me for instance) of potential safety issues with their wheels? I know the question is oxymoronish when it comes to car dealers but what about all the wheel suppliers and distributors?

Again, thanks to all for the inputs. Chris M hit it when he said the ROC members (except me) are more knowledgeable about the RL than Honda dealers. Pity.

PLEASE let me know who you talked to. Honda needs to be rid of that person. Several lies in that one.

Send me a PM or email and let me know who you talked to. I'm sure they won't be with Honda next week.

DO NOT FOLLOW THE ABOVE ADIVCE. IT'S DANGEROUS AND JUST PLAIN WRONG!
As another member has pointed out...Honda Dealers are selling Ridgelines with aftermarket wheels installed. If Honda thought it dangerous and unsafe they would not be allowing the dealerships to install said wheels. Your local Honda dealership (which is governed by Honda Corporate) and the aftermarket suppliers are not in business to kill people.

The Acura RL wheels are safe to install on the Ridgeline. If I do the math using the numbers provided by you and don't rely on others...the load rating of the wheel as described by you is above the max weight of the Ridgeline. The Ridgeline GVW is 6050. You have told us that the Acura wheel is rated at 690kg which equals 1521lbs if I multiply that by 4 it equals 6084. So if we assume that you do have correct numbers, then even if we load the Ridgeline to maximum capacity we are still okay. Again this assumes you numbers are correct and we have no reason to doubt that. Very few people reach the load limit of the Ridgeline. There have been no known failures of the Ridgeline or Acura wheels.

I don't care which wheels people put on their Ridgeline..you have the numbers, do the math...you decide. Let's not beat this subject to death.

I assure you there are many more things that people do that are far more dangerous than installing Acura RL wheels on a Ridgeline.

As another member has pointed out...Honda Dealers are selling Ridgelines with aftermarket wheels installed. If Honda thought it dangerous and unsafe they would not be allowing the dealerships to install said wheels. Your local Honda dealership (which is governed by Honda Corporate) and the aftermarket suppliers are not in business to kill people.

The Acura RL wheels are safe to install on the Ridgeline. If I do the math using the numbers provided by you and don't rely on others...the load rating of the wheel as described by you is above the max weight of the Ridgeline. The Ridgeline GVW is 6050. You have told us that the Acura wheel is rated at 690kg which equals 1521lbs if I multiply that by 4 it equals 6084. So if we assume that you do have correct numbers, then even if we load the Ridgeline to maximum capacity we are still okay. Again this assumes you numbers are correct and we have no reason to doubt that. Very few people reach the load limit of the Ridgeline. There have been no known failures of the Ridgeline or Acura wheels.

I don't care which wheels people put on their Ridgeline..you have the numbers, do the math...you decide. Let's not beat this subject to death.

I assure you there are many more things that people do that are far more dangerous than installing Acura RL wheels on a Ridgeline.

#1 Honda dealers are not "governed by Honda Corporate". Honda dealers are independent businesses that sell Honda products. They have a contract with Honda. It's a franchise... just like most of your local McDonalds. Honda can NOT instruct any dealer on how to run their business... call them and ask and you will be straightened out on this issue.

#2 You said "If Honda thought it was dangerous and unsafe they would not allow the dealers to install said wheels". First, see above... Honda can't stop any dealer from installing any aftermarket accessory. Second, Honda very clearly tells you it is dangerous and unsafe in the Owner's Manual.

#3 You say "there have been no known failures of the Ridgeline or Acura wheels". Where do you get your data?

I think you are just making up this garbage. It's worse than garbage, if someone were to believe you they may end up dead as a direct result of your fabrications.

I ask again... who at Honda supposedly gave you the information?

For the record, I do not believe that anyone at Honda would give you any information as you claimed.

Joe, you seem very upset. Relax, I am sorry to have upset you.#1 Honda dealers are not "governed by Honda Corporate". Honda dealers are independent businesses that sell Honda products. They have a contract with Honda. It's a franchise... just like most of your local McDonalds. Honda can NOT instruct any dealer on how to run their business... call them and ask and you will be straightened out on this issue.
Thanks for straightening me out Joe. But you are fooling yourself into thinking that a franchised dealer can do what they want and go against corporate policy and endanger the public.

#2 You said "If Honda thought it was dangerous and unsafe they would not allow the dealers to install said wheels". First, see above... Honda can't stop any dealer from installing any aftermarket accessory. Second, Honda very clearly tells you it is dangerous and unsafe in the Owner's Manual. Joe, Joe, Joe, and Honda also allows the dealers to make the changes to non-factory wheels and tires. And I assure you that if Honda Corporate found a dealer deliberately and repeatly endangering the public Corporate would not allow it. Having a franchise does not give you the right to do whatever you want.

#3 You say "there have been no known failures of the Ridgeline or Acura wheels". Where do you get your data? From Torrance.

I think you are just making up this garbage. It's worse than garbage, if someone were to believe you they may end up dead as a direct result of your fabrications. Please...dead? You are really reaching. And I will remind you that your own numbers do not logically justify your position. Notice that I have never said to you "Now who gave you those numbers, what proof do we have that those numbers are correct? Lets see the calculations. How do we know if the wheels are up to strength, they have to be magnafluxed to see if they meet the design specs."

I ask again... who at Honda supposedly gave you the information? Joe, you know that I can not give you their name but I assure they have been with Honda for 17 years and know what they are talking about.

For the record, I do not believe that anyone at Honda would give you any information as you claimed. Call me a liar, again.

So basically you would like no one to change from the factory wheels to anything other than the factory wheels because the manual tells them not to. So I guess that 20% of the board is out to kill someone. The manual also recommends that they use only Honda oils and factory parts. So if I change my wiper blades they just might fly off and I might run into a tree. Be reasonable. If I remember correctly some Honda manuals also published an 800 "Phone for Sex" number as being the customer support number. You have to love that manual.

In closing I will again remind you that the numbers you gave Joe (who know where they came from but they sound reasonable) do not back up your paranoia. I will not continue this post because you are not being logical and your ramblings will not stop people from swapping out their wheels.

Congratulations Joe, you win. I am a liar, a fool, know nothing and can’t perform simple mathematical calculations. http://www.utas.com/pics/misc/smiley/smiley_206.gif

Joe, you seem very upset. Relax, I am sorry to have upset you.

So basically you would like no one to change from the factory wheels to anything other than the factory wheels because the manual tells them not to. So I guess that 20% of the board is out to kill someone. The manual also recommends that they use only Honda oils and factory parts. So if I change my wiper blades they just might fly off and I might run into a tree. Be reasonable. If I remember correctly some Honda manuals also published an 800 "Phone for Sex" number as being the customer support number. You have to love that manual.

In closing I will again remind you that the numbers you gave Joe (who know where they came from but they sound reasonable) do not back up your paranoia. I will not continue this post because you are not being logical and your ramblings will not stop people from swapping out their wheels.

Congratulations Joe, you win. I am a liar, a fool, know nothing and can’t perform simple mathematical calculations. http://www.utas.com/pics/misc/smiley/smiley_206.gif

#1 You are the one that used the word "liar", but in this case I feel that you are not telling the truth. No engineer at Honda would ever tell you what you claim. It would be like them telling you how to disable your airbags or seat belts... they would not do it.

#2 If you want to put Acura wheels on your Ridgeline I really don't care. If you make that decision and end up dead or injured I really don't care since you knowingly put yourself at peril. What I do care about is your intention to put others in peril by spreading falsehoods.

In summary I will quote Gary Flint, Honda Ridgeline Chief Engineer, "The Ridgeline’s tires and wheels were specifically designed to meet the load rating, handling, and crash performance of this vehicle. Any aftermarket wheel will not meet the strength requirements these wheels have been subjected to. Therefore it is an exceedingly bad idea to replace them with ANYTHING other than the Honda accessory wheel. Additionally, you should be aware making this type of modification voids any warranty claim relating to the suspension, brakes or drivetrain." He didn't go out of his way to make such a statement without cause.

I'm out of this discussion. My position is clear. If you want to replace your Ridgeline wheels with Yugo wheels, garbage truck wheels, or any other wheels feel free, just don't tell others that Honda said it's OK when they've done exactly the opposite. The information is here for people to make an informed decision based on facts.

Joe, you seem very upset. Relax, I am sorry to have upset you.

So basically you would like no one to change from the factory wheels to anything other than the factory wheels because the manual tells them not to. So I guess that 20% of the board is out to kill someone. The manual also recommends that they use only Honda oils and factory parts. So if I change my wiper blades they just might fly off and I might run into a tree. Be reasonable. If I remember correctly some Honda manuals also published an 800 "Phone for Sex" number as being the customer support number. You have to love that manual.

In closing I will again remind you that the numbers you gave Joe (who know where they came from but they sound reasonable) do not back up your paranoia. I will not continue this post because you are not being logical and your ramblings will not stop people from swapping out their wheels.

Congratulations Joe, you win. I am a liar, a fool, know nothing and can’t perform simple mathematical calculations. http://www.utas.com/pics/misc/smiley/smiley_206.gif

Joe is just trying to look out for and warn those who should know the facts. Your reasoning is flawed. Please see my first post in this thread for the reasons why. The bottom line is that the RL wheel is designed not to crush in an accident. Based on your numbers, the Acura wheel is much weaker. It may be strong enough to drive around with and strong enough to tow with but you may not walk very well after a wreck. Since Csimo mentioned it, Gary Flint did say this. I heard it come out of his mouth first hand.

And BTW, you mentioned that Honda recommends only their fluids. It is not unilaterally true that you have to use all Honda fluids but I double dare you to drain your steering rack and fill it with something other than genuine Honda power steering fluid. I've seen this done before in several Accords. The results aren't pretty.

After many weeks and several discussions I finally have the Acura RL rims on my Ridgeline. Thank you to divotdog for the center caps!

http://users.adelphia.net/~habsfan/ridgeline/ridgeline01.jpg

Joe, I said let it go. You win. Take a breath.

Yes, I did use the word liar, because that is a word that is used for people that are not truthful…which is what you accused me of being. First I had to show you math and not I have to teach you English…sheeeeh.

Joe I think I have found a piece of common ground for us. Please contact the Admin for this board and ask them to close the wheel and tires section because you feel that every optional wheel and tire is unsafe….I will back you on this. While you are at it you might want to close some other sections where they discuss wiper blades, lift kits and replacing turn signal bulbs with less bright ones, etc.

Along those lines have you seen that someone is thinking of installing a supercharger? My god if that thing sheers in an accident it might fly off and kill a bus load of school children or perhaps it will blow the engine and cause an oil slick that causes that poor pregnant woman to run into a tree. We should lock that thread.

Oh my god! I just read another post about a Hood Prop Kit. Stop the press! Think about that…Gary Flint designs a hood and hinge that will be safe and someone has the audacity to come up with something that might cause the hood not to move as Gary F. wants it to in an accident. It might just be enough to decapitate someone. Lock the thread.

I think we should restrict this board to discussions of paint color. Are we in agreement Joe or should we phone Gary Flint (alias JC/God)?;)

Your numbers tell us the Acura RL wheels are just fine if you do not overload your Ridgeline and they look better too. We all agree they are not as strong as the factory Ridgeline wheels if we accept your numbers.

Damn! :mad: You made me post again on this subject...next time I will not bite.

PS Joe, I know you mean well but you are paranoid and probably sleep with a picture of Gary Flint under you pillow and are unable to do simple math problems. :D

If you paint it and go off a cliff, the rescue workers may not be able to find you. That's off the list, too...

The Acura RL wheels are safe to install on the Ridgeline. If I do the math using the numbers provided by you and don't rely on others...the load rating of the wheel as described by you is above the max weight of the Ridgeline. The Ridgeline GVW is 6050. You have told us that the Acura wheel is rated at 690kg which equals 1521lbs if I multiply that by 4 it equals 6084. So if we assume that you do have correct numbers, then even if we load the Ridgeline to maximum capacity we are still okay. Again this assumes you numbers are correct and we have no reason to doubt that. Very few people reach the load limit of the Ridgeline. There have been no known failures of the Ridgeline or Acura wheels.

I can't believe I am about to do this but here goes.

Directly from the Wheel Industry Council directives found at the Sema website:

http://www.sema.org/images/pdf/26481.pdf#search=%22wheel%20load%20ratings%22


The load rating of a wheel as determined by the wheel
manufacturer, either by a stamp on the wheel or in the wheel
manufacturer’s literature, must never be exceeded. If such a
load rating is not available, THE WHEEL SHOULD NOT BE
USED ON THE VEHICLE. Wheel load rating requirements
a re determined by dividing the vehicle’s heaviest gross axle
weight rating (G.A.W.R.) by 2. The axle weight rating for
most vehicles is shown on the identification label located on
the driver’s side door jamb, gas tank door, trunk lid or glove
compartment.
REGARDLESS OF THE TIRE’S MAXIMUM
LOAD RATING, DO NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM LOAD
R ATING OF THE WHEEL.
WARNING
EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM LOAD RATING OR
MAXIMUM TIRE DIAMETER OF THE WHEEL IS
UNSAFE AND COULD CAUSE WHEEL FAILURE.
INCREASE OR DECREASE IN TIRE DIAMETER
ABOVE OR BELOW THE ORIGINAL TIRE
DIAMETER MAY AFFECT ROLLOVER AND
HANDLING CHARACTERISTICS.
MANUFACTURERS IDENTIFY A WHEEL’S
MAXIMUM LOAD RATING AND TIRE DIAMETER -
CHECK THE BACK OF THE WHEEL OR WITH
THE WHEEL MANUFACTURER.

The GAWR of the Ridgeline is 3245 pounds or 1475 Kg (3245lbs/2.2lbs per Kg). According to Sema and the Wheel Industry Council (who must know more than all of us on this subject) states, "the Wheel load rating requirements are determined by dividing the vehicle’s heaviest gross axle weight rating (G.A.W.R.) by 2." So, in the case of the Ridgeline that would be 737.5Kg (1475Kg/2). If the RL wheel weight rating of 690Kg is correct then the RL wheel does not meet this requirement and should not be used. I am not saying ALL aftermarket wheels should not be used just the RL wheel (provided the data used for the calculation is correct).

Please, I am not trying to start a flame war. I just want to provide the results of my personal investigation.

...and habsfan I think the wheels look good.

Seems that you are saying there is no need for dealer to identify potential safety issues which equates to no morality. No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying why they do what they do...to make money. If it is creating a safety issue, they shouldn't be doing it.

After many weeks and several discussions I finally have the Acura RL rims on my Ridgeline. Thank you to divotdog for the center caps!

http://users.adelphia.net/~habsfan/ridgeline/ridgeline01.jpg

Chris: Center caps really look good on your black. Good addition to the improved wheels. Did u post to other threads? There are some "picture" threads that love pics like yours.

WOW!! Just read all this....I had NO idea i've been putting myself "in peril" all these months with the acura wheels!! SCARY stuff!!

Habsfan,
I assume you had to get the alloy lug nuts to work with the Acura wheels. I have the steel wheels and know I have to get the alloy valve stems. From what I understand the steel lug nuts will not work.
Thanks
Ock

so has anyone had problems with Acura RL wheels on their Ridgeline yet??!! Speak up PLEASE if you have....i'm losing sleep here!!:eek:

so has anyone had problems with Acura RL wheels on their Ridgeline yet??!! Speak up PLEASE if you have....i'm losing sleep here!!:eek:


I've had mine on for about 8 months with no problem. I've hauled a yard of dirt, but that's about it. FWIW:cool:

Have had my Acura RL wheels on for about 7 months. No real big loads and 0 problems. Have been complimented on the look by a few sharp eyed people with excellent aesthectic taste. fwiw

No problems here either after about 7 months. I've pulled my 4800 LB ski boat all over the place.

You can do something many times and never have a problem. The fact is that when the problem does arise you may pay with your life. A true story:

American Airlines maintenance personnel in Tulsa, OK found a way to take several man hours off the replacement of DC-10 high bypass turbofan engines (jet engine). They found that they could remove the engine and mounting pylon as one unit using a fork lift instead of the two unit / hoist method recommended by the manufacturer McDonnell-Douglas (now part of Boeing). The result was savings in both time and money.

American Airlines had used their shortcut hundreds of times and "never had a problem".

In 1979 the Tulsa maintenance crew changed the #1 engine on a DC-10 using their shortcut. They did it the same as they had done hundreds of times before. They had never had a problem.

On May 25, 1979 that DC-10 was taking off from O'Hare airport in Chicago as American Airlines Flight 191. The DC-10 had 271 souls on board... 258 passengers and 13 crew members. One of those souls was a friend of mine.

The takeoff roll went as planned until everyone felt a sudden jerk. The pilots thought they blew an engine, but also knew the DC-10 could take off and land with the two remaining engines. What the pilots didn't know is what my friend could see from his seat on the left side of the aircraft. The #1 engine mounting pylon had broken, the engine accelerated forward and upward over the top of the left wing. When the engine hit the wing it tore a large section of the leading edge of the wing off with it. The engine remained behind on the runway along with the wing section.

For a several seconds the pilots had things under control, but soon the left wing started losing lift. What the pilots didn't know is that the engine and part of the wing were gone. Along the way both the primary and secondary hydraulic systems to the left wing were compromised. The flaps and slats on the left wing began to retract as the remaining hydraulic fluid leaked out of the system.

The left wing stalled and the pilots were unable to maintain control of the aircraft. Flight 191 spent 31 seconds in the air then slammed into the ground killing all 271 souls on board... including my friend.

The maintenance personnel had used the shortcut to change hundreds of engines. Never had a problem. The NTSB investigation blamed the crash on the engine change shortcut. Yes, the one that had never created a problem in the past.

You can use Acura wheels or other wheels not rated for your load and you may never have a problem. I'm sure it's been done many times without a problem. You may drive a hundred thousand miles and never have a problem, or you may just drive 31 seconds and end up dead.

Would having my stock RTL wheels chromed weaken the structural integrity? If not, what are some reputable mail order compaines to do business with? Thank you for the wisdom.

Well...if you were to ask some people they would tell you that you can not put anything other than stock wheels on the Ridgeline and that you should check the tire pressure before every trip, check the oil and only drive during daylight. But those people should probably never shower and for all we know they might not. :D

True story: Someone today woke up and took a shower and fell, hit their head and died. Sad but true. Sometimes you can take a shower for many years and never slip. But then one day you slip and die. Do you want to take that chance?

Chrome the suckers!

check ebay under honda or ridgeline. I think there is still a couple of companies that exchange stock for chrome: for $$$$ of course.

good luck

When you review vendors that rechrome wheels, what questions should one ask or details to be determined to figure out the quality of the chrome and process they use? Thanks

True story: Someone today woke up and took a shower and fell, hit their head and died. Sad but true. Sometimes you can take a shower for many years and never slip. But then one day you slip and die. Do you want to take that chance?
Never shower alone!!! :p
Always with the wife of course...:o Can't be too careful...

When you review vendors that rechrome wheels, what questions should one ask or details to be determined to figure out the quality of the chrome and process they use? Thanks


Sorry, I don't have clue. I would just trust the vendor

A nation of worry warts,America is dying a slow death.My Ridgeline is 1/2 ton truck.I think a Lincoln Town car is more of a vehicle.Use them damn Acura wheels and don't sweat the big scarey stuff that never happens.

Show me a quote where insurance was denied for using a wheel,and I have driven millions of miles and have never ever seen a broken wheel under any sane use,ever.

Has anyone else?

........and I have driven millions of miles and have never ever seen a broken wheel under any sane use,ever.

Has anyone else?

http://www.titantalk.com/forums/titan-wheels-tires-brakes/42810-catastrophic-wheel-failure-w-pics.html#post589893

Now, now Andy there is NO way that could have ever happened.

I'm sure he drove a million miles before that...blah blah. :p

I just bought a set of take-off 18" 2007 Acura MDX SportWheels with the original 255/55R18 Michelin tires. Apparently some MDX buyers are upgrading to 19" wheels and dealers occasionally have the original wheels to sell. Except for having to use the MDX lug nuts rather than the original RL ones, the fit is perfect - bolt pattern and offset are the same as the RL's. The circumberence is smaller with the new wheels but only by 1.7%. Even the TPMS sensors are identical part numbers. I will use the 18" wheels in the summer, and keep the original painted wheels in the winter. The truck looks great with the MDX wheels.
Has anyone else done this?