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Old 11-14-2012, 06:20 PM   #1301
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Re: Flat Panel TV's LCD or Plasma?

I've had a 50" Samsung plasma since late 2008. It has been a very enjoyable and reliable display.

It was professionally calibrated and still offers an excellent picture. But against more recent designs, black level suffers in comparison.

I've always favored plasma for a more realistic picture, especially for the full cinematic experience.

But LCD has evolved to the point that any differences are negligible, while also offering an overall brighter picture, punchy color, and excellent black level. It would appear the latest Sonys are among the best in this regard. In addition, LCD are lighter and more power efficient than plasmas of equivalent sizes.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:28 PM   #1302
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If this new generation of production OLED displays is anything like the prototypes I've seen in the last few years, you can prepare to be completely blown away by the color intensity, black levels, clarity, image depth, etc. - not to mention that they'll be almost unbelievably thin. Cannot even imagine how they're going to look once we actually have 4K (oops, excuse me, UltraHD) sources and content available. Remember, 4K isn't just twice the resolution of 1080p (1920x1080), it ranges from almost four times the resolution (at the minimum spec of 3840x2160) to over sixteen times the resolution (at the maximum spec of 7880x4320)!
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:49 PM   #1303
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If this new generation of production OLED displays is anything like the prototypes I've seen in the last few years, you can prepare to be completely blown away by the color intensity, black levels, clarity, image depth, etc. - not to mention that they'll be almost unbelievably thin. Cannot even imagine how they're going to look once we actually have 4K (oops, excuse me, UltraHD) sources and content available. Remember, 4K isn't just twice the resolution of 1080p (1920x1080), it ranges from almost four times the resolution (at the minimum spec of 3840x2160) to over sixteen times the resolution (at the maximum spec of 7880x4320)!
I recently read an article stating OLED make look 'too good' to many, but they did not clarify that statement other than saying it may actually have an unreal look compared to the images our eyes are used to perceiving on a screen.
Maybe they are afraid children and pets will try to walk through them.

No doubt OLED will be a substantial improvement in some areas. From what I read about 4K, where sources are few and far between, the optimal improvement on most consumer sized displays will be insignificant at normal viewing distances.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:08 PM   #1304
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I recently read an article stating OLED make look 'too good' to many, but they did not clarify that statement other than saying it may actually have an unreal look compared to the images our eyes are used to perceiving on a screen.
Maybe they are afraid children and pets will try to walk through them.

No doubt OLED will be a substantial improvement in some areas. From what I read about 4K, where sources are few and far between, the optimal improvement on most consumer sized displays will be insignificant at normal viewing distances.
Probably true. My guess is that the majority of consumers who own HDTV displays would rarely, if ever, notice any difference between 720p and 1080p. The biggest benefit from UltraHD when fully implemented will likely be for giant displays (80" and larger) which display truly life-size images. For everyone else it'll simply be yet another marketing tool to convince consumers that they've got to have the latest and greatest, without truly understanding if there's any perceivable benefit to them in everyday use. Just as it's becoming harder and harder to purchase HD displays without 3D, in another 5 years or so it'll be equally difficult to purchase any display that's not UltraHD.

btw, I sincerely doubt that the average consumer will ever be able to truly appreciate UltraHD. I've seen 16-20 foot projection screens with 1080p images that were so incredibly crisp and sharp that you could practically put your nose on the screen without seeing any individual pixels so it's hard to imagine images with 4 to 16 times that amount of detail.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:15 AM   #1305
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My guess is that the majority of consumers who own HDTV displays would rarely, if ever, notice any difference between 720p and 1080p. .
I thought the same thing until I compared the 2 with a Blu Ray. Mind you the difference is subtle.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:27 AM   #1306
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I thought the same thing until I compared the 2 with a Blu Ray. Mind you the difference is subtle.
An awful lot depends on screen size relative to viewing position. For example, my 60" Sony SXRD rear projector is viewed from just under 9 feet and it's fairly noticeable whereas my 50" LG Infinia Plasma is viewed from about 15 feet and it's hard to distinguish any difference.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:02 AM   #1307
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Probably true. My guess is that the majority of consumers who own HDTV displays would rarely, if ever, notice any difference between 720p and 1080p.
Yup. I'm blessed with good vision and I can't tell the difference between a 720x480 DVD and a 1080p Blu-Ray unless there is a lot of hard-edged, computer-generated detail or small text -or- if I watch the DVD and Blu-Ray versions of the same movie back-to-back. This is with a 55", 1080p TV viewed about 12 feet away. I can't tell any difference between 720p and 1080i no matter the content. It's downright silly to have 1080p on the 32" in the bedroom viewed at 11 feet or the 20"(!) in a guest room, although it makes me "feel good" to know they are capable of this resolution.

Then again, once content catches up to display capability it may turn out like Apple's "retina" displays in current iPhones and MacBooks. Once you've experienced such sharpness, it's hard to go back since you have a new reference to compare.
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Re: Flat Panel TV's LCD or Plasma?

I am going to pick up a new "small" 40 inch Samsung LED - EH6000 to replace our Sony 40" LED that had problems from the beginning with the light engine. Sony had a settlement but we got nothing.

The price is only $579 so that is about $800 less than we paid for the Sony six years ago.

The reason I am only getting the 40" is because we have a wood cabinet upstairs that looks great but limits the size of the TV to 39" wide. We don't need any gadgets because my wife just wants to watch TV - not fight with the remote or the menus.

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Old 11-19-2012, 09:57 AM   #1309
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Re: Flat Panel TV's LCD or Plasma?

Can't go wrong with a Samsung. I've got two Samsung TV's, Samsung washer and dryer, and a Samsung phone. I've found with the TV's, buy it and never ever check the price of the model you bought again.
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Can't go wrong with a Samsung. I've got two Samsung TV's, Samsung washer and dryer, and a Samsung phone. I've found with the TV's, buy it and never ever check the price of the model you bought again.
These days that's pretty much true of all high-tech electronics. Will never forget when one of my custom installers asked me to guess when he needed to order a new flat panel that he needed for an installation tomorrow. His answer? Today, because if he ordered it yesterday he probably paid too much!
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