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Old 11-19-2012, 09:38 AM   #241
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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change

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Maybe we need a thread on BG lubes.

Or not. At least not until Honda offers up a statement as to warranty coverage using BG lubes in lieu of VTM-4 fluid or DW-1 tranny fluid.

I wouldn't mind learning more about them and why they would be used instead of the Honda product. But no way would I consider them without Honda defining the warranty issue. I do not care to dive into the legal cesspool of 3rd party warranty coverages.

Some Honda Dealers offer BG stuff... (found the name of my dealer on BG list).
Also this dealer offers Oil change- filter at $20... I bet it is not Honda Oil nor any 0W-20... so he is definitely out of the picture for me.

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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change

FWIW, there is no Honda oil. At some point in the past, it was re-branded Mobil non-synthetic oil.
http://www.piloteers.org/forums/348560-post8.html

For routine changes in the shop, I'm sure the dealers buy in bulk whatever meets the spec when they're buying.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:22 PM   #243
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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change

BG is over-priced as are several other exotic brands of motor oil and most brand name motor oils are good enough, some even overkill for likely 99% of the cars/trucks out there.

Grearbox lubes on the other hand are not quite as common, there is a fair amount of variation between automakers, and they are not serviced as often. I guess some case could be made for superior lubes, but most of our knowledge of them is based on hype. Not to say there is not some truth in what they say, but without conclusive and extensive test results not many folks are going to spend more hard-earned dollars to find out.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:18 PM   #244
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FWIW, there is no Honda oil...
Correct....I meant to say it is no 0W-20 at that price including a Filter ($20); even buying in bulk... I haven't seen any 0W-20 oil for less than $6 a quart.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:12 PM   #245
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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change

I don't remember the WalMart pricing on the 5 qt jugs of Mobil1 0w-20. But somewhere here I posted some pics of prices in the $25 range for Mobil 1 5w-20 5 quart jugs. That's $5/qt. But the individual qt bottles are higher.
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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change

Depends on the 'grade' as well as the viscosity with regards to M1. Walmart has the more expensive extended performance M1 (gold label) for only $2 more the regular M1 5 20 the last time I bought. Pretty good against most chain auto parts stores that run easily run $30-34.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:57 AM   #247
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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change

Yes. Now that WM has M1EP 5w-20 in 5 qt containers, that is what I buy. I think they're about $3 more than straight M1... ~$28 instead of $25.

I'll have to check the price on 0w-20 next time I pass that way.
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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change

Did my first VTM-4 fluid change today. Well, not the first the truck has had...just the first one I did myself. I can only say one thing...I don't know WTF I didn't do this myself every since I have owned the truck...it is sooo easy. I usually had my dealership do it and they charged waaaaaaaaaaay too much for a 20 minute job.

The hardest part of this job was breaking the fill/drain plugs free. Once I got them opened, the rest of the job...getting the fluid in...and putting the fill plug back in...8-10 minutes...tops. It took more time to put the old fluid in a jug for recycling and put my tools away than to do this fluid change.

Never again...will I have the dealership do this change for me and charge me...what...?....$75 freaking dollars...or whatever it is they charge!
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Yes - I'm looking at the receipt and would gladly post a copy of it.

CUSTOMER REQUESTS BG REAR DIFFERENTIAL SERVICE
TECH COMPLETED BG REAR DIFFERENTIAL SERVICE

I also watched them do the service although I could have sworn he used Valvoline Syn by what I saw from 20 feet away.

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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change
First of all, Honda doesn't recommend using any additives...

So, the fact that a Honda dealer used an additive in the rear diff. is strike one!

And since they used the wrong rear diff. fluid and not the Honda brand, is strike two!

And they offered you some silly 3rd party Rear diff. warranty is strike 3!(Good Luck getting them to pay for your rear diff. if it breaks) Kinda reminds me of those Oil warranties...good luck making a claim.

I have said this before, why is it so hard to use what Honda(not the dealers) tells you?

I've read on this forum where people use anything from, the wrong weight oils, wrong rear Diff. fluid, wrong tranny fluid, wrong recommended tire pressure to SeaFoam.

So, why would anyone think they know better and use these products not endorsed by the experts(Honda)? I'll never know.

This is exactly why I don't like buying used vehicles, you never know what some moron might have dumped in it!

And that could very well be a Honda Dealer.

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Old 05-19-2013, 04:15 PM   #250
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Re: VTM-4 Fluid Change

I haven't kept up with this thread, but if someone used 75w140 fluid in the VTM-4 unit the VTM-4 unit is ruined would have to be replaced to regain functionality. 75w140 is about as far away from VTM-4 fluid as pancake syrup is from motor oil.

The problem with such things is there's no direct indication that the unit no longer functions. He's just driving a front wheel drive only Ridgeline.
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