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Old 12-26-2012, 12:43 PM   #61
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Re: Good bye Ridgeline.....too many major problems

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But their clutches still use friction disks that produce heat. I'm not disagreeing that D is not the proper gear....speed posted in writing that D3 will actually overheat the tranny. I just can't get my head around how shifting every 10 seconds for several hours straight can be good on things.
Most any shift on any transmission under any load will complete in less than a second. It only takes a few seconds at most to dissipate the heat generated from this shift. More heat is generated by the shearing action of the fluid in a torque converter than by the clutches during a gear change. Keep in mind these clutches are submerged in fluid with very specific lubricating, heat transferring, and friction properties - part of the reason certain fluids are required for specific transmission designs. Engineers must also select a balance between shift quality and life expectancy. Firm, quick shifts will result in longer clutch life, but will give you whiplash. Smooth, long shifts won't spill a glass of wine sitting on the dash, but will consume the clutches quickly.

May you rest knowing that the transmission is engineered and intended to shift the way it does for at least 60,000 miles. After all, Honda doesn't want to change out transmissions while they are under the factory warranty.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:35 PM   #62
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Re: Good bye Ridgeline.....too many major problems

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Most any shift on any transmission under any load will complete in less than a second. It only takes a few seconds at most to dissipate the heat generated from this shift. More heat is generated by the shearing action of the fluid in a torque converter than by the clutches during a gear change. Keep in mind these clutches are submerged in fluid with very specific lubricating, heat transferring, and friction properties - part of the reason certain fluids are required for specific transmission designs. Engineers must also select a balance between shift quality and life expectancy. Firm, quick shifts will result in longer clutch life, but will give you whiplash. Smooth, long shifts won't spill a glass of wine sitting on the dash, but will consume the clutches quickly.

May you rest knowing that the transmission is engineered and intended to shift the way it does for at least 60,000 miles. After all, Honda doesn't want to change out transmissions while they are under the factory warranty.
I hope it is intended to last more like 360,000 miles!!!! I'm at 157k now and intend to keep the old girl well into the 200's.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:37 PM   #63
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Most any shift on any transmission under any load will complete in less than a second. It only takes a few seconds at most to dissipate the heat generated from this shift. More heat is generated by the shearing action of the fluid in a torque converter than by the clutches during a gear change. Keep in mind these clutches are submerged in fluid with very specific lubricating, heat transferring, and friction properties - part of the reason certain fluids are required for specific transmission designs. Engineers must also select a balance between shift quality and life expectancy. Firm, quick shifts will result in longer clutch life, but will give you whiplash. Smooth, long shifts won't spill a glass of wine sitting on the dash, but will consume the clutches quickly.

May you rest knowing that the transmission is engineered and intended to shift the way it does for at least 60,000 miles. After all, Honda doesn't want to change out transmissions while they are under the factory warranty.
Hey!!!! What are you doing with wine in your truck? Don't you know that's illegal
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:48 PM   #64
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Hey!!!! What are you doing with wine in your truck? Don't you know that's illegal
Don't worry - it's an unopened glass.

Regarding the life expectancy, look at it this way... Honda designed the transmission to work the way it does. The instructions tell you to leave it in "D" and the vehicle can tow up to 5,000 lbs. There are no defined limits to towing frequency, so Honda must feel pretty confident that the transmission will survive at least 60,000 miles while constantly towing 5,000 lbs. provided you perform maintenance per the Maintenance Minder. Statistically speaking, there are members here with well over 200K miles without transmission failure. There are relatively few that have had early failures. If this transmission (or any other part of the Ridgeline) had a known, common defect, it would show up consistently. I'd be more concerned with my rear seat pulleys or front bumper gap than my transmission.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:44 PM   #65
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196xxx miles, many many 10s of thousands towing 4500# in D usually at least 5 mph over the speed limit and a good part of that mileage out west thru the SIerra Nevada and Rockie mountain ranges. Only issues were both original cat converters dying around the first 100k. Just replaced a radiator fan assembly because the motor bearings were worn and the wobbling fan was causing vibration when it turned on/off. Otherwise maintenance only, though using accelerated drive train fluid service intervals due to towing. If that's not reliable then what is?
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:49 PM   #66
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Been a while since I posted. I tow a pop up camper that roughly weighs in at around 3400lbs(with camping equipment packed inside) maybe once or twice every 90 days. I also bring 10 gallons of fuel and a small generator aswel as half a bed load of mixed pine for firewood. I always tow in D. Going up the mountains here in Arizona @ 70MPH soon as I hit the hills it slows down a few MPH then it shifts down and keeps in whatever gear it shifted down into until the hill levels out. Sometimes it stays in 2nd gear at around 5200rpm and i love it. just hit 71k miles this week.

Btw posts like this make me laugh, someone bashes and people asking questions and ya never hear from them again. lol
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Sometimes it stays in 2nd gear at around 5200rpm and i love it. just hit 71k miles this week.

Btw posts like this make me laugh, someone bashes and people asking questions and ya never hear from them again. lol
Well here I am...It was far from a bash. But certainly deserved it. The message was the direct cause and effect experience of owning this vehicle from nearly new to nearly 100K miles.

....how's that trans or and high revving engine some 2.5yrs later?
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:46 PM   #68
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Wow, he's back. So what are you driving now?
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:54 PM   #69
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When a "premium" piece of machinery continually fails or provides a very short "lifespan", that is expertly/professionally cared for beyond specs, and owned by such, was lightly used, disappointment will come across. Some bashing may very well be justified .

It was a difficult purchase, something so "fuggly", but ingenously put together; I swayed. It appealed to the wife, and she really wanted a do-everything vehicle. Honda and aftermarket warranties included. It was done.

If it weren't for the yearly auto-emailer reminder system, wouldn't have an inclination to check back again, and still don't own a Honda (never again with an Automatic):
There can be a sense of the skewed/biased perceptions towards a professional on a forum, especially if what we're saying isn't of the rah-rah-go-team variety. It's common, not just here, as evidenced in the thread. I don't always bring my credentials and experience to light, or mention it the numerous forums I participate in, or have created. Sometimes it must come out, when others spout non-sense and the like (recently a member who was "boisterous" in approach, then back pedaled, and the next day asked for a job, as that group knows my background). In this case mentioned to hopefully ad credibility to what was a very poor experience for me/us. Thankfully the bottom line cost wasn't an issue. Keeps me a bit more objective, let's say.

With that said, the forums where I deal with high end cars, most people tend to be more Enthusiast based, and are nearly always humble or appreciative of input and comments, wanting to know what to expect, or how to prevent issues. Even the younger generations, who we know can be tempermental at times. Most are genuinely sad when someone has major issues, or leaves a group. In the end all types of people call on me from around the country, even other countries. At least in those groups. FWIW- Very few full time working techs (in my case well beyond that level) offer up their hard earned knowledge for free to help the common good. Naturally, I get to learn a few things along the way, rarely truly technical, but more of general info and trends.

It could be entertaining to hear how many powertrain issues people have had, and issues in general, over the last 2.5+ years. Hopefully not, but Honda has a less than stellar reputation with this manu-matic (it's altered from a manual) auto transmission.

In the end do not miss the RL, but for it's overall practicality. Living with it always showed some inherent short coming, poor ergonomics/spatial relations, weak windshield, alignment issues, powertrain flubs/failures, and high maintenance needs (trans, r.diff), and lack luster off-roadability (idiotic trans and ABS logic, low clearance, overly stiff suspension). Things that Honda could do much better at. Corporate Honda was no help (windshield), and the dealer less than helpful on anything other than major issues. Now Honda has been recalling bad airbags, other Class Action issues, and now discrimination in vehicle sales towards ethnic people.

My new Honda (China?) power washer is spitting it's guts out with major bearing material loss. Probably due for another flush and more Amsoil to give it a chance. The carb is persnickity and is a gas hog unlike my older Japanese made Honda mower. Times do change...

For those that take this personally, the underlying objective point(s) obviously wizzed right past. It happens.

Not saying I won't ever buy another Honda, but until they redesign the transmission and offer either a turbo V6 or Diesel with some solid torque, and clean up their act a bit, then we'll keep watching from outside the box.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:12 AM   #70
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Sounds like you definitely got a 'bad one'. And many others have had problems as you have defined (windshield, etc.). But I believe most here are are objective, and it is a matter of fact that more people don't have serious problems than those that do. In either case, it's nice to be able to share & get advise on this helpful forum.
With regards to other "preferences", I'd say "to each his own". I happen to love the way this tranny is matched to this engine. Does just what I want/need it to, when it needs to happen. Others want it to work differently. That's why there are different solutions for different preferences (other vehicle makes/approaches).
I will say that from your own comments, it sound like you were a reluctant, if not skeptical RL buyer from the start. That doesn't mean you didn't have problems, but it might explain your thinking of others here as "rah-rah" types?

For me, I am truly sympathetic for your past RL woes. 'Glad you've got them behind you. If you find a vehicle you're happy with, that's all that matters. I wish everyone could have as good of luck with their RL as I have with ours (150K miles & counting). It just can't happen that way for everyone. Your sentiments are very understandable. Happy Trails!
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