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Ran across this today, 2011 Civic. Sort of makes me think Prelude!!
 

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Re: New Generation Civic

Well they never should have got rid of the Prelude.
But it does remind of that car.
 
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the coupe looks like a Scion tc :act002:
the sedan looks like the Honda insight (yeay!) :act002:

way to go honda :act002:
 
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honda continues to regurgitate the same servings over and over. The fanboi's will tell you that there is plenty of room at the table to consume this. People who don't hump the honda tailpipe kinda expect more from what once was a market leader.
 
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I've gotta give some insight on what I'm going to call the Civic fiasco. The new design will come out as a 2012 model, but is over a year late already. Why?

The Civic redesign project was started under the administration of Takeo Fukui. The design was essentially completed when Fukui retired. From what I saw of the project it looked good, very good. The car was slightly larger than the current Civic.

Takanobu Ito replaced Fukui. Shortly after taking power Ito took exception to the Civic redesign. He essentially scrapped the whole project and decided the new Civic should be smaller and lighter than the current model.

Cars don't get designed and engineered overnight. The new Civic was put on a very fast track. The result is the car that will be released next year.

I think most will agree that Honda has lagged the rest of the industry in nearly every category. In my opinion this new Civic was thrown together under a very tight schedule. That usually results in problems, and I suspect the new Civic will have more than most expect from Honda.

So the new Civic is not innovative, and behind the competition before the first one is built.
 
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I've gotta give some insight on what I'm going to call the Civic fiasco. The new design will come out as a 2012 model, but is over a year late already. Why?

The Civic redesign project was started under the administration of Takeo Fukui. The design was essentially completed when Fukui retired. From what I saw of the project it looked good, very good. The car was slightly larger than the current Civic.

Takanobu Ito replaced Fukui. Shortly after taking power Ito took exception to the Civic redesign. He essentially scrapped the whole project and decided the new Civic should be smaller and lighter than the current model.

Cars don't get designed and engineered overnight. The new Civic was put on a very fast track. The result is the car that will be released next year.

I think most will agree that Honda has lagged the rest of the industry in nearly every category. In my opinion this new Civic was thrown together under a very tight schedule. That usually results in problems, and I suspect the new Civic will have more than most expect from Honda.

So the new Civic is not innovative, and behind the competition before the first one is built.
Very very sad if Honda lets its current best car fall behind the competition. The 4 door looks very much like the current one - which wasn't good looking to start with. I wonder if there is ANY innovation in the powertrain. Same old VTEC stuff? Will the new one impress us with its fuel economy if the goal was smaller and lighter?
 
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It looks to me like an Acura RSX and a Dodge Neon got drunk one night and mated. WTF, Honda... WTF???
 
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From that view, and its the only view I saw, it looks a lot like the Honda CR-Z
 
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At least my wife and I will NOT be tempted to upgrade our 2008 Civic. The American car makers are starting to look a little more interesting to me because of the remarks by Csimo.

Brad
 
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The Si is going to need a serious power boost to stay relevant with the competition. AWD would be cool too but the likelihood of Honda doing that is slim to none. I will say I do like the update however based on the information provided by Csimo I think of these cars as more of a gen 8.5 civic and not a true 9th.
 
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Honda will take a hurry-up approach when launching its delayed Civic family in April.

Unlike past Civic rollouts--which spread the debuts of model types and variations over months and even years--Honda will launch every variety of the 2012 Civic within weeks of each other, said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda.

The family includes a sedan and coupe, multiple engines, lithium ion hybrid and natural gas versions and a Civic Si edition.

In late 2008, the Civic launch was delayed 6 months after the Lehman Brothers collapse. The car was promptly redesigned to be smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient and cheaper to build.

"The story that will never be told is how much we changed the car," Mendel said at the unveiling of concept versions of the Civic last week at the Detroit auto show.

The major change with the Civic involved interior packaging, said Vicki Poponi, Honda assistant vice president of product planning.

"When you get in [the current] car, it isn't roomy enough to be a Civic," she said. "That was what our focus was, getting back to where we once were: compact yet surprisingly roomy."

Although not the official tag line, the marketing credo for the 2012 Civic is a play on founder Soichiro Honda's belief that there is "a Civic for everyone," said Steve Center, Honda's chief marketing officer in the United States. In its marketing campaign, Honda will play on the idea of the variety of Civic offerings.

The Civic concept retains the angular look of the current model, but with more pronounced shoulders. The windshield still has a shallow rake with a cab-forward orientation. In a nod to the BMW styling cue, the rear window has the so-called Hofmeister kink in the C-pillar, an element normally reserved for performance vehicles.
 
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The car is refreshing and surprisingly more masculine and sporty than I thought it would be. I see styling cues of a previous-gen TSX and even a little Mazda3/Mazda6 in there, but it's still clearly Civic. The SI is certainly nice, but I, too, agree that the center exhaust will likely not make the final design. The sedan looks like it's been lengthened just a bit, but most noticeable is the stretching of the passenger compartment. The rear seats look to sit nearly in line with the rear wheels and the trunk looks to have been made smaller. There is a more substantial hood and the front end does look pretty mean. I still haven't seen interior photos yet, but I can imagine it will be pretty space-aged. I also haven't done much research into what is planned as far as power plants, but I would like to see (in the gasoline area, at least) the 2.0 liter from the current-gen SI be re-tuned and put into the standard Civics for a nice horsepower/torque gain while still achieving great gas mileage. I know that likely won't happen as a re-tune of the current 1.8 liter will likely be the standard engine, but if the 2.0 was tuned to about 180hp and could still achieve mileage in the range of 27/34mpg, I think that would be great. What would be pretty sweet for the SI's would be to drop in the 2.2 liter powerplant from the S2000. It was a super high-revving, stout engine that produced over 100hp per liter for a truly exhilarating ride. True, the S2000 was lighter than a Civic SI, but the S2000 was probably the most fun I've ever had in a vehicle. I've driven Corvettes, Camaros, etc. The S2000 had me smiling the entire time. If Honda could offer an SI with 220+hp and superior handling, they'd have a winner.
 
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This was the actual press release

The Honda Civic Si Concept coupe and Civic Concept sedan are making world debuts at the North American International Auto Show today, providing the first official glimpse at the styling direction of the all-new, ninth-generation 2012 model set to go on sale this spring, the company announced.
"The Civic is known for providing a balance of 'just-right' packaging, fun-to-drive character and outstanding fuel economy, at a price that even first-time buyers can afford," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda. "The redesigned Civic builds on this legacy and promises to be the best Civic yet."
The 2012 Civic embraces the company's vision as a "Civic for all people," a phrase originally expressed in defining the goal of the first-generation Civic. With the widest array of engine choices available in its class, the 2012 Civic lineup intends to meet the needs of an increasing group of compact-vehicle buyers with a renewed vision of a "Civic for all people." The diverse vehicle range includes a sedan and a coupe with conventional gasoline models, two sporty "Si" performance versions, along with one hybrid and a natural gas alternative-fuel variant. Collectively the depth of the Civic line offers a compelling balance between fuel economy, low emissions and fun-to-drive performance unlike any other vehicle in the industry.
As a new interpretation of the current Civic's iconic "one-motion" mono-form shape, the upcoming, ninth-generation Civic conveys a more substantial, high-energy appearance. The exterior styling of both Civic concept models showcases the sedan's and coupe's clean-yet-powerful lines with steeply raked windshields, wide stances and pronounced character lines along the profile. The lower character line on both models broadens toward the rear fenders to enhance the dynamic feeling of forward energy. The front fender surface treatments form a complex, three-dimensional look to further enhance the image of sophistication and structural depth against the deeply set headlights.
The Civic Concept sedan takes on a sophisticated presence with a front grille defined by crisp lines and a solid bar that integrates a chrome Honda emblem. The look of the Civic Si Concept coupe conveys an aggressive demeanor with a more angular front fascia, mesh grille and a tapered rear roofline that flows smoothly into the trunk. The Civic Si Concept coupe is exclusively equipped with a rear air diffuser, a center-mounted exhaust outlet and a rear deck lid spoiler with dual vents. Each concept model has 19-inch machined alloy wheels.
Powertrain Technology
The Civic's family of engines with "intelligent" Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control (i-VTEC®) technology become even more fuel efficient for 2012. The upcoming Civic Hybrid offers the latest generation of the compact and lightweight Integrated Motor Assist™ (IMA™) gasoline-electric hybrid system and features the first application of a lithium-ion battery in a Honda hybrid.
Building on its emphasis on fuel-economy, most upcoming Civic models receive Honda Eco Assist™ technology, already available in the CR-Z and Insight hybrids. The 2012 Civic is the first U.S. Honda model to employ Eco Assist technology in a gasoline-only powered vehicle. Eco Assist is just one example of how the new Civic can be customized and configured by the drivers to suit individual preferences.
Additionally, Honda is expanding retail sales of the natural gas-powered Civic GX model, which is the only OEM-built, dedicated CNG passenger car assembled in America. The increased availability of the Civic GX helps bring inherently clean-burning natural gas technology to an even broader audience while also supporting diversity in transportation energy resources.
Safety
The 2012 Civic continues to emphasize safety and is anticipated to score well in both the federal government's New Car Assessment Program1 (NCAP) and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety2 (IIHS) vehicle evaluations. The 2001 Honda Civic Coupe was one of the first two passenger cars ever to earn the federal government's top 5-star crash safety rating3 for the driver and front- and rear-seat passengers in both frontal and side-impact crash tests.
All 2012 Civics are equipped with Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) as standard equipment. Additionally, the ninth-generation Civic continues to provide Honda's exclusive and innovative Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) body structure for frontal collision energy management.
Accolades and Manufacturing
As a top-selling model for Honda, the current, eighth-generation Civic has sold more than 1.5 million units since the 2006 model went on sale in late 2005. The 2006 Civic earned both the prestigious Motor Trend "Car of the Year" and the North American Car of the Year awards.
The current-generation Civic continues to be a significant entry-point to the Honda brand for younger buyers, introducing on average more than 90,000 new-car customers under the age of 35 to the brand every year. More than 95 percent of all Civics sold in the U.S. as of calendar-year 2010 were made4 in North America at manufacturing facilities in either Greensburg, Indiana or Alliston, Ontario in Canada.
http://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/

I think they're still tweaking the interior.....
 
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The article is promising to a point, but it still didn't declare any specific details about the powertrains. The fact that it said the main focus was fuel efficiency doesn't exactly make having a more powerful engine a reality. However, I do think the wide range of models is great. The natural gas-powered one could be huge. The problem is that there aren't any filling stations ANYWHERE around our area. I work for a large natural gas drilling company and were were just purchased by Chevron. I'm smack dab in the middle of the Marcellus Shale boom and natural gas still isn't a viable fuel source for vehicles in this area? It's disheartening if you ask me. I'd love to have a Civic GX for commuting simply because of the efficiency and the exceptionally clean-burning fuel source. Also, NG will likely be less expensive than gasoline in this area due to natural economic supply and demand levels. As I said, the problem is the availability of distribution stations. As more manufacturers offer NG options in their vehicles, we may see an increase, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.

I'm excited to see what the new Civic interior will look like. I think the exterior styling is much better than the current generation, but I just hope most of it makes it to the final design. The sedan looks to be ready, but the Si is likely going to see some changes. That rear end is wild-looking.
 
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We're looking hard at Civic GX's as your correct - we're in Shale Country -

Check out the CNG filling locations near you. I have 10 near my house - 4 within 15 miles of my work

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/afdc/locator/stations/

At the end of the day I'd most likely go with a home fueling option if I went CNG
Unfortunately, the only fill station anywhere close is just outside of Alliquippa and it's a private access only. Like I said, the benefits of CNG are staggering when compared with gasoline. It's just that the availability of filling stations and actually vehicles that run on CNG is severely lacking.
 
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To each his own, but I think the new Civic Coupe looks absolutely great. I've always thought the Civic Coupe was the best looking car Honda ever made. And I thought with any redesign they couldn't improve on the older models. But they've actually done it. Wonderful redesign of an already great looking model.

Very interesting that the current Civic is larger than the first Accord I bought in 1985. And again, just my opinion, but the current Accord is a bloated Easter egg. A step backward....and becoming an "old folks" sedan. But I still love the Accord Coupe. My first choice for any car under 35k.
 
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