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Old 01-02-2009, 08:11 AM   #1
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Dumb new az plate law

I'm not sure what our lawmakers were smoking when they came up with this one, but in Arizona a new law has gone in effect, governing the use of rear license plate holders.

License Plate Holder Law - State law* requires that the state name at the top of Arizona license plates must be visible. Any license plate holder or cover that prevents the license plate from being clearly legible, is in violation of this new law.

* A.R.S. 28-2354(B.)


Drives are facing a $160 fine if officers spot a frame that covers the word Arizona even partially.

This new law eliminates probably 90 percent of the custom licence plate frames and all of the aftermarket "rear view" camera plates.

According to my research, only one other state, Texas, has a similar law.

It seems like just another revenue generator for the state coffers.

I now have to get rid of the license plate frames from my wife's car Civic, my son's Expedition and my daughters Fit. My truck's still in the shop and I don't remember if my frame violates the new law, but I'll bet it does. This kind of B******t legislation is one reason I NEVER vote for a pay raise for these idiots.

Between this new law and the dozens of new, freeway photo radar cameras placed all around Phoenix, I gues they figure Arizona's budget deficit should be fixed by 2010.

I'll try and get a map of all the photo radar camera placements and put it up on the forum so any visitors to Phoenix can get a heads up and watch their speed. Just be careful.....they also have speed photo vans that they place a half mile or so past the permament cameras to catch all the drivers who speed up after slowing down for the cameras.
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Re: Dumb new az plate law

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I have a theory on all of these types of laws. I base my theory on what England does in the city of London (Tolls for driving in the city) and all of their major highways. The use of the license plate cameras will be used to track individual movements. US government and associated private agencies have the database storage capability to store six years of credit card purchase data and can use this capability to store tracking data based on license plate information gathered by the "traffic" cameras at every major intersection and on on all of our major highways. They can not limit our interstate movement (With state border checks), but they can start a program to tax our traveling by charging "Road Usage" tolls / taxes. London led they way by stating they would use the cameras to record the plates in order to charge toll fees for road use in an effort to reduce traffic and encourage the use of mass transit. The London officials also stated that the license plate data would be destroyed after the billing was paid (Average of three weeks). Shortly after (1 to 2 years), Scotland Yard bragged about catching a serial killer by tracking his movements using the traffic camers. Their data went back three and a half years (One and half years before the London system was announced as active).

I predict that we will see taxes based on our "Carbon Footprint" and the government will use the cameras to track the movements of our vehicles as a part of determining how much money we owe them for our carbon based emissions.

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Re: Dumb new az plate law

Reminds me of the right hand drive rule for England and Japan.
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Re: Dumb new az plate law

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I predict that we will see taxes based on our "Carbon Footprint" and the government will use the cameras to track the movements of our vehicles as a part of determining how much money we owe them for our carbon based emissions.

Personal Commentary Over:

Time for me to go an take my paranoia medicine now
Canada basically already taxes our carbon footprint without having to track our whereabouts. Most of the gasoline cost at the pump are taxes. So if we travel more... or have a gas guzzler... we pay. (and so do our tourists, thank you)
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I'm not sure what our lawmakers were smoking when they came up with this one, but in Arizona a new law has gone in effect, governing the use of rear license plate holders.

License Plate Holder Law - State law* requires that the state name at the top of Arizona license plates must be visible. Any license plate holder or cover that prevents the license plate from being clearly legible, is in violation of this new law.

* A.R.S. 28-2354(B.)


Drives are facing a $160 fine if officers spot a frame that covers the word Arizona even partially.

This new law eliminates probably 90 percent of the custom licence plate frames and all of the aftermarket "rear view" camera plates.

According to my research, only one other state, Texas, has a similar law.

It seems like just another revenue generator for the state coffers.

I now have to get rid of the license plate frames from my wife's car Civic, my son's Expedition and my daughters Fit. My truck's still in the shop and I don't remember if my frame violates the new law, but I'll bet it does. This kind of B******t legislation is one reason I NEVER vote for a pay raise for these idiots.

Between this new law and the dozens of new, freeway photo radar cameras placed all around Phoenix, I gues they figure Arizona's budget deficit should be fixed by 2010.

I'll try and get a map of all the photo radar camera placements and put it up on the forum so any visitors to Phoenix can get a heads up and watch their speed. Just be careful.....they also have speed photo vans that they place a half mile or so past the permament cameras to catch all the drivers who speed up after slowing down for the cameras.
We have a similar plate law here in Texas....from what I understand it's not strictly enforced.....I'm keeping my ROC holder.....to counter the cameras, I will probably upgrade my Escort Passport 8500 to a 9500I GPS....more red light cameras are going up everyday in the Houston area.....

Side note...pissing contest going on with the mayor of Houston and the data people as to if red light cameras really reduce traffic accidents...
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Re: Dumb new az plate law

There are already several municpal regulations against the use of those so called anti photo radar covers, that block the license plate image from an angle, but allow it to be seen if you're right behind the car. Scottsdale Police will not only write you a ticket, but will personally remove the cover from the car. What gets me about this new law is if any portion of the word Arizona is blocked, the frame is illegal. After checking several of the license plates avaiable, (Arizona has about 30 different "personalized" plates available) just about all of them are made in such a way as to make make any license plate frame illegal. Even the most basic frame will clip the top of the "A" in Arizona, making the frame unusalbe.
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Re: Dumb new az plate law

Found some pictures in an old thread with my license plate frame. Looks like I'm going to have do some modifications if I want to keep it. This really pisses me off. Anyone looking at the plate can easily discerene the plate is from Arizona. But with the new law, that won't matter. All it will do is give the police a reason to pull me over and then try and find something else to give me a ticket for.
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Re: Dumb new az plate law

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I have a theory on all of these types of laws. I base my theory on what England does in the city of London (Tolls for driving in the city) and all of their major highways. The use of the license plate cameras will be used to track individual movements. US government and associated private agencies have the database storage capability to store six years of credit card purchase data and can use this capability to store tracking data based on license plate information gathered by the "traffic" cameras at every major intersection and on on all of our major highways. They can not limit our interstate movement (With state border checks), but they can start a program to tax our traveling by charging "Road Usage" tolls / taxes. London led they way by stating they would use the cameras to record the plates in order to charge toll fees for road use in an effort to reduce traffic and encourage the use of mass transit. The London officials also stated that the license plate data would be destroyed after the billing was paid (Average of three weeks). Shortly after (1 to 2 years), Scotland Yard bragged about catching a serial killer by tracking his movements using the traffic camers. Their data went back three and a half years (One and half years before the London system was announced as active).

I predict that we will see taxes based on our "Carbon Footprint" and the government will use the cameras to track the movements of our vehicles as a part of determining how much money we owe them for our carbon based emissions.

Personal Commentary Over:

Time for me to go an take my paranoia medicine now
Your on the right track, but we won't be tracked through license plate cameras. They are using GPS...check it out.

http://www.gpsworld.com/gpsworld/art....jsp?id=321618

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/tra...,5923667.story

Its getting alot of support from the Secretary of the DOT because the Highway Trust Fund just isn't cutting the mustard anymore.
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Old 01-02-2009, 12:27 PM   #9
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Re: Dumb new az plate law

My daughter was home for x-mass to Illinois and she moved to Chandler AZ in the fall. She asked me if I wanted her to mail back her Cubs licence plate frames so I could put them on my ridgeline because of the new AZ law. also
In Illinois if the traffic light turns yellow you go through or get rear ended but when we were in Mesa AZ with the cameras at many intersection when the light turns yellow everyone is slamming on there brakes.
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"In 1986, two Texas towns, La Marque and Friendswood, began the first US implementations of photo radar. The programs didn't even last the year. "You could say there was a good bit of unhappiness," La Marque's former mayor Jack Nash told the Los Angeles Times. Friendswood fared no better. "I'm certain it's a good system if you want to make money, but you're going to find that the community is going to lose its reputation very quickly," said Galveston County Constable Paul Bess. "It won't come back to my area."
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Independant studies have show insurance claims rise 60% at intersections with red light cameras, and that more often than not the minimum length of the yellow light like 3.7 seconds tends to be 3.2 by "accident" San Bernadino was just caught doing this at one intersection over a 2 month period and found 400 drivers got tickets for this extra .5 seconds. The ticket I got was 500 dollars for a rolling stop on a right at this very intersection on an incredibly short yellow. The judge knocked it down to 220, thanks SB

So instead of getting mad I went to my tax professional and had him take a long hard look at my taxes this year and I found an extra 550 dollars

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