magnetic gas saver

[Webwader]

MTJohn, we need to get together real soon so I can discuss some lucrative business propositions with you.

[csimo]

MTJohn, MTJohn, MTJohn,

The Condensator! The product that defined new laws of physics by getting more BTU's out of a gallon of gasoline. Not.

The product the EPA tested and simply said, "The Condensator doesn't work".

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) issued a "cease and desist" letter to the company threatening both civil and criminal prosecution if they didn't stop making false claims.

One simple question: The Condensator is a simple device... if it was that easy to improve fuel mileage and reduce emissions by such large percentages (they claim 24%) why wouldn't every new vehicle produced have one from the factory?

Snake oil.

-Joe

[MTJohn]

Well.....maybe I'll re-think my purchase. However, the people I have talked to, that use this, swear it works. I appreciate your advise but I am not completely discounting anything yet.

[condisales]

csimo,

You must be aware of a few things we are not.

To our knowledge the EPA has never tested the gas model Condensator.

The US navy did (quite few years back) see:
http://www.condensatorsales.com/html/navy.html

and

The FTC cease and desist? Where did you come about this info?
Is this what you're referring to?
http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articl...er/empower.php


Emissions are lowered on the majority of vehicles.

It's pretty simple as oil not sent into the fuel and air mixture is not incinerated. It's simply held in a liquid form. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
http://www.condensatorsales.com/html...estimonia.html

As MT John pointed out - we've quite a few very satisfied customers here in Montana (about three thousand in the last year). We've a 100% moneyback guarantee based on satisfaction. To date we're below a 1% return rate, add to that a great deal of our customer base is repeat business.

Not enough: Here's a few links from other boards:

http://www.preludeonline.com/showthread.php?t=174339

http://www.ultimatesubaru.net/forum/...0&page=5&pp=10

http://www.dodgeintrepid.net/forums/...ad.php?t=55374


Putting aside the issue of gas savings - the best reason to install a Condensator is to keep out the motor oil (from the PCV system) out of the fuel to air mixture. Think about the idea of using the engine as an incinerator to "try" and burn this oil. What happens? Carbon is created, it's recycled through the system and over time degrades the entire engine system.

Ever wonder where these carbon deposits come from? From dirty gasoline?
No - it's from the introduction of motor oil into the fuel to air mixture from the PCV. Without this constant flow of carbon, the engine stays cleaner, the exhaust stream is cleaner, which means the catalytic Converter stays cleaner and so on.

Anyhow,

If you've some verification of something we're not aware of, please let us know.

Tom
info@condensatorsales.com

[Webwader]

From the Condensater website:

As a result of the compression and detonation piston strokes, an estimated 4 to 10 percent of the fuel air mixture passes by the piston rings. These crankcase gasses (commonly known as blow-by) are comprised of volatile and nonvolatile, hydrocarbons, and water. Elements that can be used as fuel for your engine, and, those that can not. The Condensator™ using a patented process, separates those gasses - allowing only the combustible hydrocarbons to feed back into the - allowing only the combustible hydrocarbons to feed back into the
engine.

We tell fleet managers to expect a reduction of fuel consumption of around 15% on average.

So a 4-10% loss of fuel air mixture, only a fraction of which is actually is usable fuel, produces, on average, reduced fuel comsumption of 15%. They must be using some of those high-tech magnets.

How is it that a revolutionary fuel saving product that has been on the market for 30 years, be available only by special order on the internet? There must be thousands of potential dealers just itching to get there hands on this product. The EPA should make it mandatory on all vehicles, just like seatbelts and airbags.

[JOZ RIDG]

Originally Posted by ROColorado

Hey, do they make beer magnets? I betcha those babies would really sell!

What are you talking about?

"I am a Beer Magnet"!!!!

[condisales]

Webrider,

We do not use any magnets. :-)

We've many outlets not listed on the Internet including around a dozen automotive shops installing the Condensator, including several dealerships (Nissan, Subaru, Mazda), plus about five NAPA automotive parts shops. We currently are selling the Condensator as fast as we can make them, we receive several calls a week on dealer inquiries.

Blow-by varies from vehicle to vehicle. Even newer vehicles have more than you may think.

If you factor removing the oil from the fuel to air mixture, the combustion process is more efficient. It's that simple.

Tom

[csimo]

condisales, you really don't want to go there do you? You'll just be making a fool of yourself.

The BBB report regarding your company says it all:

"Be skeptical of the following kinds of advertising claims:

• "This gas-saving product improves fuel economy by 20 percent." Claims usually tout savings ranging from 12 to 25 percent. However, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has evaluated or tested more than 100 alleged gas-saving devices and has not found any product that significantly improves gas mileage. In fact, some "gas-saving" products may damage a car's engine or cause substantial increases in exhaust emissions. "

Yes, you know they tested your product too. Not one single product, none, that lived up to the claims.

At least the magnets cost less... yours is just a more expensive lesson for people to learn.

-Joe

[csimo]

I also took the liberty of sending an inquiry to the US Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps office for their comments about the US Navy letter published.

I've also entered a FOIA request for the entire, real document.

Will publish my findings.

-Joe

[JOZ RIDG]

[QUOTE How is it that a revolutionary fuel saving product that has been on the market for 30 years, be available only by special order on the internet? There must be thousands of potential dealers just itching to get there hands on this product. The EPA should make it mandatory on all vehicles, just like seatbelts and airbags.[/quote]

EXACTLY !!!

Wont happen.