magnetic gas saver

[condisales]

Csimo, aka Joe:

I've all the original copies from the US Navy tests on Mare Island. The FOI might take a few months. I doubt you'd post them after you see we're actually telling the truth.

You want to see them?

Read the BBB report carefully, they use a standard warning for any aftermarket item via the FTC and EPA. They are very careful not to specify our product. That said they're getting ready to put their tit in a wringer with us. And aagin, there have never been any tests on the gasoline model of the Condensator by the EPA. The EPA does not test devices. Companies that produce devices pay independant laboratories to test and provide the test data to the EPA. These tests run into big money. The BBB does not test, nor do they pay to do so. So you're just plain wrong on your assertion.

Elmer Bush, the inventor, had to sue the State of California to get them to admit the Condensator actually reduces emissions. He was successful. It took eight years. I've a copy of the letter from the testing lab stating the tests results were reversed, gross error.

You see - to date we've no customer complaints, neither does the BBB. You should see what the bbb had written up before we contacted them. Knee jerk reaction -- nothing can work therefore it's a fraud, a scam.

It's too bad you assume no one tells the truth, it's all too common these days.

Worse is your reaction is to buy into and spread the diatribe that nothing works or the manufacturers would have already implemented the practice. The sad truth is Corporate Auto Manufacturers have a vested interest in planned obsolesence. They're so farsighted that in the late 70's they decided not to make long lasting, fuel effecient vehicles in America -- this is the major reason why you drive an import today.

You also seem to dismiss our existing customer base -- over 3000 customers in Montana. Do you think if this was a scam we'd have a few complaints on record by now? The answer is we do not.

Add in the majority of our installation shops have ASE Certified Master Techs installing the Condensator, AAA Platinum Shops - you think they're going to ruin their reputation by advertising and installing a fraud?

Or, do you suspect all of our customers are somehow deluded by our "oh so potent" compelling, trance inducing, advertising? Or, would you go as far to say they're just plain stupid. Think that over before you insult some pretty savy ranchers, farmers, construction workers, Sheriffs, municipal fleet managers, owners of auto dealerships, etc..

Let me ask you a question, after your exhaustive Internet web search, did you find any reports the Condensator is a fraud. Did you find any dissatisfied customers? Kind of funny isn't it. Not much out there is there?

Lastly, I decided to not ignore you. I usually do, no use arguing with another genius on the Internet. This time since you decided to spread half truths and outright lies, I decided it's likely a good idea to try and staighten out the facts, before you do even more damage.

Tom

[csimo]

Wish I had the time to debate this to its logical conclusion with you, but time is short right now.

Regarding what the BBB said and you accuse me of lying... what I posed was a cut and paste from the BBB report for your company.
Then you claimed "The EPA does not test devices." Wrong again. The program at EPA is called the "Aftermarket Retrofit Device Evaluation Program" or simply called the "511 Program" by most. If you search for it I'm sure you'll find it.

You should also know that the EPA tested the Condensator in January of this year on an open crankcase diesel engine. This should have provided your product with the BEST POSSIBLE opportunity for reduced emissions and improved fuel economy. By going from a open crankcase to closed loop should have significantly reduced crankcase emissions. We both know the result of the EPA test... "Installation of the Condensator did not result in statistically significant changes in the test engine’s BSFC".

Did the Condensator result in any statistically significant cumulative change? "No."

Those are the words of the EPA... not me. You are confusing the message and the messenger. To call me a liar for reporting what the EPA concluded won't do any good.

Gotta run, but I'm not buying what you're selling.

-Joe

[steveberger]

There was some very funny stuff on the first two pages of this thread.
Then it turned serious and that is facinating* too.
Your serve condisales.

* At this point I'm favoring csimo, but being a ROC head I'm probably not objective.

[a_vdk]

I do alot of lite off road up hills and the gas cost is killing me. I averaged 12 mpg last week since where I do rock climbing requires the Ridgeline to work a little harder.

I was just wondering if their is a non-controversal product that actually works to help decrease fuel consumtion when pushing the Ridgeline to its limits since keeping the RPM less than 2000 is not an option.