2024 Tacoma released today

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larryr

Discussion Starter · 15 d ago

CNN —

The Toyota Tacoma has been the best-selling mid-sized pickup in America for the last 20 years but its territory is getting much more competitive. To help it stay ahead in a crowded auto-industry battle for small-truck customers, Toyota just unveiled an entirely new Tacoma. It includes some options more associated with luxury SUVs and others for those who want to get far from the comforts of civilization.

The Tacoma is often affectionately referred to as just the Taco and, as with tacos, there’s a big menu of options. New Tacoma engines include a hybrid and there’s a new extra-rugged off-road model, too.

In the United States, market share for mid-size pickups, currently 3.6% of all new vehicles sold, has more than doubled over the past decade, according to data from Edmunds.com.

The average price paid for smaller trucks has also shot up a lot as buyers add on features and options, said Ivan Drury, an industry analyst with Edmunds.com. The reason is simply that buyers like the functionality. Plus, with modern, sophisticated suspension systems and plush interiors, buyers can enjoy a comfortable experience, he said.

The new Tacoma will have to compete against trucks like the recently unveiled Ford Ranger, as well as GM’s recently redesigned GMC Canyon and Chevrolet Colorado and the Nissan Frontier.

The Tacoma’s new extra-rugged Trailhunter off-road version will go up against trucks like the Jeep Gladiator and a new GMC Canyon AT4X AEV model.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/business/toyota-tacoma-reveal/index.html

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0002s

· #41 · 12 d ago

Nervey said:
You do mean a wireless charger that a manufacturer didn't scam their fanbase and then ignore it... right? So, not just "any" reliable wireless charger... but one you actually get. Honda needs to be careful... the principle of it, alone, is enough to push many over the edge after other various quality snafus. Even fanbois will cave at some point if they don't clean up some smug.

My wireless charger works great. I don't like using wireless charging though. To be fair, I can't send you a picture of it charging because it would be laying flat in an open tray in my counsel. This means that I can't use the camera.

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Nervey

· #42 · 12 d ago (Edited)

0002s said:
My wireless charger works great. I don't like using wireless charging though. To be fair, I can't send you a picture of it charging because it would be laying flat in an open tray in my counsel. This means that I can't use the camera.

Don't be confused that it may come on for a few seconds, but then times out within 30 seconds to a minute. It would be great to see an actual charger work. Another guy on here an I ripped our trucks apart, sacrificed, altered/destroyed pieces in order to benefit the forum and others to see if we could get it successfully working when we could not. You know...outside our busy lives (LOL).... Glad it works for you, but would love to see it documented so that people like me or others who wish to escalate this at a time when there are substantial facts, then it can be done. If someone says that just to protect their feelings about their truck and Honda... bummer, that helps nobody. But if it does work, I wish I knew what criteria was met to allow it to work.

We are losing sight of the forum topic though. Tacoma seems pretty nice.

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stevem5215

· #43 · 12 d ago

Yeah, we let these kind of topics go when it's controversial. One says it works others say theirs don't. It is what it is.

ClassicVW

· #44 · 12 d ago

zroger73 said:
Does the 2024 Tacoma (or Colorado/Canyon, Gladiator, Frontier, or Ranger) have:

A dual-action tailgate?

An In-bed trunk?

Four-wheel independent suspension?

A torque-vectoring all-wheel-drive system?

Nope, but the Ridgeline does.

But I'll bet their tailgates have dampened opening action. My Tacoma did 5 years ago!

FTM1

· #45 · 12 d ago

ClassicVW said:
But I'll bet their tailgates have dampened opening action. My Tacoma did 5 years ago!

Tacoma tailgate can't swing open to allow easy access to in-bed trunk. Also allow easier closer in access to bed put place or retrieve items.
If they can dampen Daul Action Tailgate I'm sure they will.

ClassicVW

· #46 · 12 d ago

FTM1 said:
Tacoma tailgate can't swing open to allow easy access to in-bed trunk. Also allow easier closer in access to bed put place or retrieve items.
If they can dampen Daul Action Tailgate I'm sure they will.

Yes of course I know all that but I was only speaking about the RL not having dampening. I’m sure it can be done. Do you know how annoying and somewhat dangerous it is to have a damped tailgate for 4+ years then buy a new vehicle in 2023 that doesn’t have one?

0002s

· #47 · 12 d ago

Nervey said:
Don't be confused that it may come on for a few seconds, but then times out within 30 seconds to a minute. It would be great to see an actual charger work. Another guy on here an I ripped our trucks apart, sacrificed, altered/destroyed pieces in order to benefit the forum and others to see if we could get it successfully working when we could not. You know...outside our busy lives (LOL).... Glad it works for you, but would love to see it documented so that people like me or others who wish to escalate this at a time when there are substantial facts, then it can be done. If someone says that just to protect their feelings about their truck and Honda... bummer, that helps nobody. But if it does work, I wish I knew what criteria was met to allow it to work.

We are losing sight of the forum topic though. Tacoma seems pretty nice.

I’ll run it for while on a drive home to see it it holds charging and what time it drops out.

I’ll let you know.

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longball2go

· #48 · 12 d ago

ClassicVW said:
But I'll bet their tailgates have dampened opening action. My Tacoma did 5 years ago!

When your tailgate swings open you dont need damping...

Nervey

· #49 · 12 d ago (Edited)

longball2go said:
When your tailgate swings open you don't need damping...

You can't use a swing gate in a tight space. But on the other hand, I never saw the need for a dampened gate anyway. So, either way, it's a "so what". But.. the Tacoma does go beyond and has an Auto-Close feature with its side button dampened opening.

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longball2go

· #50 · 12 d ago

Nervey said:
You can't use a swing gate in a tight space. But on the other hand, I never saw the need for a dampened gate anyway. So, either way, it's a "so what". But.. the Tacoma does go beyond and has an Auto-Close feature with its side button dampened opening.

GM now... they put storage "IN" the gate. Which means you can get to it (not to mention the spare) when you are using the bed.

Im not in a tight space often enough to need damping, however that swing gate is used often...like 80% often

FTM1

· #51 · 12 d ago

ClassicVW said:
Yes of course I know all that but I was only speaking about the RL not having dampening. I’m sure it can be done. Do you know how annoying and somewhat dangerous it is to have a damped tailgate for 4+ years then buy a new vehicle in 2023 that doesn’t have one?

We the Ridgeline isn't exactly new current design is 7yrs. The daul action tailgate for Ridgeline dates back to 2006 model.
Then used before on 60s 70s station wagons.
Not sure if they can dampen it.
They did incorporate a factory power locking tailgate.

jbear555

· #52 · 12 d ago

Lots of choices for us and that's awesome. You just do the due diligence; weigh all the pros and cons; and you're gonna be satisfied on balance. The only one who needs to be happy with what you drive (or whatever)...is you. I know...pretty sage stuff riiight

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0002s

· #53 · 12 d ago (Edited)

Nervey said:
Don't be confused that it may come on for a few seconds, but then times out within 30 seconds to a minute. It would be great to see an actual charger work. Another guy on here an I ripped our trucks apart, sacrificed, altered/destroyed pieces in order to benefit the forum and others to see if we could get it successfully working when we could not. You know...outside our busy lives (LOL).... Glad it works for you, but would love to see it documented so that people like me or others who wish to escalate this at a time when there are substantial facts, then it can be done. If someone says that just to protect their feelings about their truck and Honda... bummer, that helps nobody. But if it does work, I wish I knew what criteria was met to allow it to work.

We are losing sight of the forum topic though. Tacoma seems pretty nice.

@Nervey

So, I stand corrected. Mine doesn't work well. It starts to charge and somewhere between 30 seconds to 3 minutes if cuts off. Then it sometimes comes back on and repeats the process. I'm using an iPhone 14 Pro Max and it does wireless charge with both the open phone and case on. I'm not a huge fan of wireless charging so I never left it on and drove.

I played with phone placement and it really doesn't make any difference. It just seems to not have enough magic juice to keep it going.

Ok, now I'm with you. Why Honda would continue to put our a product they know doesn't work with Apple's newest phones is beyond me. While it's doesn't piss me off, it's stupid to continue to order the parts and install it.

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Nervey

· #54 · 12 d ago

0002s said:
@Nervey
So, I stand corrected. Mine doesn't work well. It starts to charge and somewhere between 30 seconds to 3 minutes if cuts off....

Thanks for checking. I suspect that most people who believe it is working are experiencing the same thing. I appreciate the time for you to give it a confirmation. Cheers.

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0002s

· #55 · 12 d ago

Nervey said:
Thanks for checking. I suspect that most people who believe it is working are experiencing the same thing. I appreciate the time for you to give it a confirmation. Cheers.

My guess is Honda's Qi Charger software and system were outdated the minute that the design was approved. This and the continual updates in phone Qi tech and MagSafe tech have rendered it useless.

My Mercedes wireless charger and wireless Apple care play works perfect, so I know that there is a way to make it work.

longboat

· #56 · 12 d ago

The new Pilot is supposed to have a much better wireless charger.

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Vinny in ATX

· #57 · 11 d ago

0002s said:
@Nervey

Ok, now I'm with you. Why Honda would continue to put our a product they know doesn't work with Apple's newest phones is beyond me. While it's doesn't piss me off, it's stupid to continue to order the parts and install it.

Same for me ... works for a bit and stops. Totally agreed it is dumb to keep installing it. But I guess that would like "admitting" it does not work.

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OmahaJeff

· #58 · 11 d ago

Kevo said:
I actually wouldn't mind a manual now that I don't often have to sit in rush hour traffic. The problem is my wife wouldn't have it since it would prevent her from borrowing the truck to make Home Depot runs.

That was a plus in my book. The girlfriend only grudgingly borrowed the Taco, and when towing the camper complained about it a lot.

Then I got the Ridgeline, and I think she drove it more than I did. I had to hide the dang keys to get to use it myself.

And bigger problem—I think she likes the Pilot even more than her Volvo…

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OmahaJeff

· #59 · 11 d ago

jbear555 said:
I don't know of a company that doesn't "abuse" us to some degree. Case in point...just one...buy a Les Paul for 3-5 grand, and have to change out the nut cuz Gibson for some reason can't produce one that doesn't bind. Should I have to spend time (and $ if I couldn't do it myself) installing an aftermarket nut? Hellz no! Do I still have a few Les Pauls...yes I do.
And no...I'm not going to video my charger because despite my being online now...I have a very bizzy actual life.

You should’ve gotten a Tele. Leo got it right the first time.

I’m only jokin’ ya. I do have a Tele…and a Gibson ES-135 and Gibson ES-175. The Tele and the 175 are the most perfect designs ever created IMO.

I am all for jumping on Henry J and whoever just took over CEO of Gibson for their missteps though. Arrogant corporate titans and all that.

0002s

· #60 · 11 d ago

Nervey said:
Thanks for checking. I suspect that most people who believe it is working are experiencing the same thing. I appreciate the time for you to give it a confirmation. Cheers.

@Nervey

I spend a little time looking at this issue last night.

I believe the problem is that the iPhone's battery's smart charge system (at least mine) is starting at around 10w draw and slowly ramping up to 18w within the first 3 minutes (assuming one has a hi speed charging capability). It hold there until about 75% full and then starts to slowly decrease itself to zero. This is common to save battery life. Full charge is around 2.5 hrs.

I don't believe that Honda's Qi system and or software is able to handle the 10w-18w initial draw rise and 'clips' off. I believe the phone and or charger gets confused (or for safety reasons) and just sits there waiting for one to move and reset the phone again. Since I've had the phone attempt to connect again, after a while of driving, I'm pretty sure it's Honda and not Apple that is shutting charging off. I am not sure if this is due to the lack of ability to charge higher watts and or watt fluctuations. I'm betting it's not software related and is a hardware issue.

(side note: I've read where people with older iPhones (10's as example) do not have this issue. My bet is the Qi system in those starts and pulls at a constant voltage.)

I am guessing the only solution, past Honda coming up with a totally new plug-n-play system, would be to 3-D print a plug-n-play harness, that holds an Apple MagSafe charger, that would plug into a 12v step-down 18w charge board. The step-down would the be powered by the OEM plug with an inline fuse.

It's just not worth the time and expense to make one of these.

Honda will not fix this or provide 'some' refund until there is a class action lawsuit against them. They HAVE TO know what the problem is and what the fix is and don't want to deal with the cost to retro fit. By the time the lawyers are through you'd likely get a $5 off dealer oil change certificate.

-JM2C

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