2024 Tacoma released today

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larryr

Discussion Starter · 15 d ago

CNN —

The Toyota Tacoma has been the best-selling mid-sized pickup in America for the last 20 years but its territory is getting much more competitive. To help it stay ahead in a crowded auto-industry battle for small-truck customers, Toyota just unveiled an entirely new Tacoma. It includes some options more associated with luxury SUVs and others for those who want to get far from the comforts of civilization.

The Tacoma is often affectionately referred to as just the Taco and, as with tacos, there’s a big menu of options. New Tacoma engines include a hybrid and there’s a new extra-rugged off-road model, too.

In the United States, market share for mid-size pickups, currently 3.6% of all new vehicles sold, has more than doubled over the past decade, according to data from Edmunds.com.

The average price paid for smaller trucks has also shot up a lot as buyers add on features and options, said Ivan Drury, an industry analyst with Edmunds.com. The reason is simply that buyers like the functionality. Plus, with modern, sophisticated suspension systems and plush interiors, buyers can enjoy a comfortable experience, he said.

The new Tacoma will have to compete against trucks like the recently unveiled Ford Ranger, as well as GM’s recently redesigned GMC Canyon and Chevrolet Colorado and the Nissan Frontier.

The Tacoma’s new extra-rugged Trailhunter off-road version will go up against trucks like the Jeep Gladiator and a new GMC Canyon AT4X AEV model.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/business/toyota-tacoma-reveal/index.html

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Sparkland

· #61 · 11 d ago

0002s said:
@Nervey

Honda will not fix this or provide 'some' refund until there is a class action lawsuit against them. They HAVE TO know what the problem is and what the fix is and don't want to deal with the cost to retro fit. By the time the lawyers are through you'd likely get a $5 off dealer oil change certificate.

-JM2C

Similar to the Kia/Hyundai immobilizer settlement - $200 million for 9 million vehicles. That works out to about $25/vehicle.

zroger73

· #62 · 11 d ago

0002s said:
@Nervey

I spend a little time looking at this issue last night.

I believe the problem is that the iPhone's battery's smart charge system (at least mine) is starting at around 10w draw and slowly ramping up to 18w within the first 3 minutes (assuming one has a hi speed charging capability). It hold there until about 75% full and then starts to slowly decrease itself to zero. This is common to save battery life. Full charge is around 2.5 hrs.

I don't believe that Honda's Qi system and or software is able to handle the 10w-18w initial draw rise and 'clips' off. I believe the phone and or charger gets confused (or for safety reasons) and just sits there waiting for one to move and reset the phone again. Since I've had the phone attempt to connect again, after a while of driving, I'm pretty sure it's Honda and not Apple that is shutting charging off. I am not sure if this is due to the lack of ability to charge higher watts and or watt fluctuations. I'm betting it's not software related and is a hardware issue.

(side note: I've read where people with older iPhones (10's as example) do not have this issue. My bet is the Qi system in those starts and pulls at a constant voltage.

My iPhone XS Max, AirPods Pro, and AirPods Pro 2 would not charge for more than a few to several seconds in my 2021 Ridgeline.

The Ridgline's Qi-compatible charger is limited to 5 watts, so it must support the 1.0 or 1.1 version of the standard, but per the standard, it is required to communicate that with the device requesting a charge during the handshake process and that device must not try to use more than 5 watts.

The Qi-compatible wireless chargers in some other Honda models support the 1.2 version of the standard which allows up to 15 watts, but those chargers, too, have problems. Honda has admitted this in a TSB and suggested that dealers advise customers to charge using a USB cable.

Sparkland

· #63 · 11 d ago

zroger73 said:
Honda has admitted this in a TSB and suggested that dealers advise customers to charge using a USB cable.

Then Honda should eliminate the wireless charging pad and not try to "trick" consumers into thinking they have that feature. I am fairly confident some consumers would skip right past the Honda onto a Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Mazda, or even a Tesla, because of that one missing feature.

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Dogs 2C

· #64 · 11 d ago

Where did the 2024 Tacoma thread go?

Nervey

· #65 · 11 d ago (Edited)

zroger73 said:
... Honda has admitted this in a TSB and suggested that dealers advise customers to charge using a USB cable.

That's that Honda "smug". I'll admit, my own pride gets in the way of me sometimes. Even if I like the truck, these acts are enough to drive me away from a brand. Seriously, not just a comment. I will happily move on and continue the cycle if another brand becomes cavalier. Just settling only encourages this quality and customer behavior.

I have about another year before it's worth looking into anything else. But Honda will need to work a little harder to get the next sale. ...and this Toyota Truck has my attention.

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0002s

· #66 · 11 d ago

zroger73 said:
My iPhone XS Max, AirPods Pro, and AirPods Pro 2 would not charge for more than a few to several seconds in my 2021 Ridgeline.

The Ridgline's Qi-compatible charger is limited to 5 watts, so it must support the 1.0 or 1.1 version of the standard, but per the standard, it is required to communicate that with the device requesting a charge during the handshake process and that device must not try to use more than 5 watts.

The Qi-compatible wireless chargers in some other Honda models support the 1.2 version of the standard which allows up to 15 watts, but those chargers, too, have problems. Honda has admitted this in a TSB and suggested that dealers advise customers to charge using a USB cable.

Even if it did work at 5w it would take forever to charge the phone.

I am surprised Honda can't get it right or just doesn't include the feature. Either you don't care or are pissed. There is no WIN for Honda in that scenario.

Dogs 2C

· #67 · 11 d ago

Dogs 2C said:
Where did the 2024 Tacoma thread go?

I want you all to go to the front of the classroom on time out, and reflect upon what you've done.... Then write this on the blackboard 10 times "I will not rant about the Ridgeline's wireless charger on an unrelated thread" (even though it's true)

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Nervey

· #68 · 11 d ago (Edited)

Dogs 2C said:
I want you all to go to the front of the classroom on time out, and reflect upon what you've done.... Then write this on the blackboard 10 times "I will not rant about the Ridgeline's wireless charger on an unrelated thread" (even though it's true)

Sorry dead phone, forgot my cable.. gotta run and find a Tacoma to bum a charge!!

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zroger73

· #69 · 11 d ago

Dogs 2C said:
I want you all to go to the front of the classroom on time out, and reflect upon what you've done.... Then write this on the blackboard 10 times "I will not rant about the Ridgeline's wireless charger on an unrelated thread" (even though it's true)

Sorry, teach! You're right and I'm just as guilty.

Moderator's note: Let's get back on topic, please (and that includes you, too, @zroger73).

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17LunarRL

· #70 · 10 d ago

RMassey said:
I notice in most articles there is not even a brief mention of the Honda Ridgeline as one of the competitors.

Good for Toyota, they definitely have nailed the off road market for mid sized trucks. It shows in the sales numbers. I like the Hybrid engine option, but can only guess it'll come at a steep cost. I'd estimate Hybrid equipped models with blow right past $50k MSRP.

Honda has captured the 'Old Man' Truck market with the Ridgeline. Works for me. I still never go off road, never tow and value ride comfort and mpg over other unused features.

Who you calling old!?

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CanAmSteve

· #71 · 10 d ago

Seems there are a dizzying range of trim/engine/drive options, so it will take a while to work out the pice/value for each. Certainly blows the current RL out of the water, with potentially a Maverick contender (cheap work truck) at the bottom end and both purpose-built off-road and "adventure" options at the top

It will be interesting to see how (and if) Honda responds t this or just gives up and ignores it, positioning the RL even more into the family luxury-truck niche

oneillcarol126

· #72 · 10 d ago

DanielDD said:
I like what I see. Cos issuld be my next truck, especially since we're not due to see a new Ridgeline for quite awhile.

I'll stick to my Ridgeline! Never had anything go wrong, this is my second one!

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Funks

· #73 · 10 d ago (Edited)

17LunarRL said:
Who you calling old!?

Ridgeline customer base == boomers (2020 J.D. Power says 89% of the owners are male, and 64 years old forming the majority of the owners). So I'd say - yes, OLD in most people's vocabulary.

Do note that GEN'X'ers are getting OLD now as well (starting to go past 50) which I'm part of.

Average age for TACOMA owners is 49 years old. An age group (GENX) that still have aspirations of doing overlanding, offroading but don't actually do it (because they are dads and kids nowadays don't want to do this stuff, glued to their phones). They will eventually transition to become Ridgeline owners - lol

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RMassey

· #74 · 10 d ago

17LunarRL said:
Who you calling old!?

Haha, just me... I'm approaching 64, so right in the target range of Honda's "Old man Truck"

Griso

· #75 · 10 d ago

I like it! A Taco Off Road 6-speed may replace my 6-speed Corolla Hatchback next year. That would mean of my two vehicles both are pickups...... but I don't care.

Jake TN

· #76 · 10 d ago

RMassey said:
I notice in most articles there is not even a brief mention of the Honda Ridgeline as one of the competitors.

Good for Toyota, they definitely have nailed the off road market for mid sized trucks. It shows in the sales numbers. I like the Hybrid engine option, but can only guess it'll come at a steep cost. I'd estimate Hybrid equipped models with blow right past $50k MSRP.

Honda has captured the 'Old Man' Truck market with the Ridgeline. Works for me. I still never go off road, never tow and value ride comfort and mpg over other unused features.

I’m with you. I do tow up to 5,000 lb once or twice a year, but as an old guy who just drives on the streets (unless I need to pull my tractor away from the pond), Ridgeline is the sweet spot. Good mpg, great ride, nice features. The new Tacoma is eye-watering, but way more than I need.

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CNC1

· #77 · 10 d ago

The new Taco looks better, but no turbo's for me. Manual tranny is great sometimes, but for my commute it would suck. Coil springs, gee they finally caught up with Dodge, they did this in 2014. Still has a straight axle, and unlikely any more head room---a real deal breaker for me. I can't sit in a Sequoia without my head touching the headliner, it clears just fine in my Ridgeline even with a hat. Gas mileage isn't one of Toyotas traits, look what the new Tundra does with its turbo V6. 17MPG is the average.

Ray S

· #78 · 10 d ago

jbear555 said:
I totally understand that, but I'd be surprised it every single car manufacturer on the planet isn't guilty of something similar. I see this with Nikon; I see it with Gibson and Fender guitars; I see it with CCM, Bauer, & Warrior hockey gear. I'm not cutting off my nose to spite my face. This was the right vehicle for me (brand independent); I'm not going to try to teach Honda to behave by buying something else that is less suited to my needs because the wireless charger doesn't work (mine actually does BTW...couldn't tell you why). I've had a lot of vehicles...every one of them had something that made owners think, "WTF?" Not saying I wouldn't like to see improvements, but I just don't get worked up over (my perception of) the little stuff.

Strangely enough mine also works. That being said I see it reported here enough that I don’t doubt that many can’t get theirs to work.

I’m not a big fan of thick heavy cases, so I wonder if that helps my cause. I only have a thin “skin” on my iPhone Pro and I’m guessing that contributes to my success.

Griso

· #79 · 10 d ago

CNC1 said:
.... Still has a straight axle, and unlikely any more head room---a real deal breaker for me. I can't sit in a Sequoia without my head touching the headliner,.....

Looks to have more headroom F&R, more rear legroom, and the front seating position is more "chair" like rather than the "go cart legs straight out in front" as Tacos have always been. They compare the interior of a 2023 and 2024 around 8 minutes into this video.

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CNC1

· #80 · 9 d ago

Thanks for the video, it does look larger, but also a lot smaller inside than a Ridgeline. Headroom is a big issue for me.

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