Reality!!!!! There is no way, without a major redesign of the hood latch, to close up the existing gap. And with this model being discontinued and years old, Honda is not going to go to that expense!
Bill
Thank you for your responses. What Honda is doing to its customers is not right. Maybe they are just thinking of themselves. I plan to use different approaches to address this Recall.
This will likely be my last response to you.
- This objection is not only about Safety Implications and Engine Compartment soiling. It is about $.
- Installing the striker plate as shown in Honda Service Bulletin 21-086 does not stop the problem of air rushing in at high speeds that causes the vibration that could result in hood failure. The Hood will likely still vibrate and flutter because air is still rushing in. Maybe, this striker plate will help reinforce the hood at the latch area and make the hood last longer. My rough guess is that this striker plate repair could cost Honda as much as $60,175,000 if all 725,000 vehicles that received Recall #21V-93 had this repair performed. That’s using about $83 per vehicle or ($3 per plate + $30 installation 20 minutes + $50 overhead) times 725,000 vehicles= $60,175,000 loss to Honda). That’s a BIG loss to Honda’s bottom line.
- Now let’s say Honda did it right and designed/installed a gasket that actually worked and stopped the flow of Air that is causing the problem and at the same time stopped all the nuisance rain, sleet, road dirt from entering the engine compartment from the top. Incidentally, I realize some get thru the radiator and soil the sides of the engine but not much. Did you ever rinse the bugs/dirt off your radiator with a hose when washing your vehicle? The radiator coils are pretty tight restricting elements. In this case, the elements are mainly entering via the gap above the grill. As proof, I can post a picture of my 2016 Odyssey engine compartment. Its really clean because the hood seal works. My rough guess is that this gasket replacement repair could cost Honda as much as much as $246,500,000 if all 725,000 vehicles that received Recall #21V-93 had this repair performed. That’s using about $340 per vehicle or ($150 for new designed hood seal + $90 installation 1 hour + $100 overhead for new recall) times 725,000 vehicles= $246,500,000 loss to Honda). That a HUGE loss to Honda’s bottom line.
- Now lets say Honda refused to seal this gap for all the Recalls (like mine) and our engine compartments were allowed to soil much faster and worse than counterparts. How much would this condition affect the value of our vehicles when eventually transferring/trading the vehicle? Most assuredly, the looks of the engine compartment it counts toward the vehicle value. But the loss is yours so they don’t care. My opinion is that if the person opened your hood (which they always do) and saw a nice clean compartment you would get considerably more in trade value. I did in the past.
- This is about Honda’s bottom line not yours!
On behave of the remaining 724,999 Recall customers- I’m not finished with this yet.
You are absolutely correct, we could add a second seal along the top of the grill, but why? What lil water that happens to trickle through that minute gap is not going to hurt a darn thing. ( By the way, how much water and dust makes it through the radiator, or from around other gaps in the grill? How about the fender wells, or the debris being kicked up from the road making it's way in from underneath the vehicle?) Oh, and as far as the hood jiggle, (the true purpose of having that seal), we have experienced gusting headwinds exceeding 50 MPH, 120 MPH when combined with vehicle speed, and the hood has kept still, I am content!
A big 10-4 to that!
Bill
Thank you for your responses. What Honda is doing to its customers is not right. Maybe they are just thinking of themselves. I plan to use different approaches to address this Recall.
This will likely be my last response to you.
- This objection is not only about Safety Implications and Engine Compartment soiling. It is about $.
- Installing the striker plate as shown in Honda Service Bulletin 21-086 does not stop the problem of air rushing in at high speeds that causes the vibration that could result in hood failure. The Hood will likely still vibrate and flutter because air is still rushing in. Maybe, this striker plate will help reinforce the hood at the latch area and make the hood last longer. My rough guess is that this striker plate repair could cost Honda as much as $60,175,000 if all 725,000 vehicles that received Recall #21V-93 had this repair performed. That’s using about $83 per vehicle or ($3 per plate + $30 installation 20 minutes + $50 overhead) times 725,000 vehicles= $60,175,000 loss to Honda). That’s a BIG loss to Honda’s bottom line.
- Now let’s say Honda did it right and designed/installed a gasket that actually worked and stopped the flow of Air that is causing the problem and at the same time stopped all the nuisance rain, sleet, road dirt from entering the engine compartment from the top. Incidentally, I realize some get thru the radiator and soil the sides of the engine but not much. Did you ever rinse the bugs/dirt off your radiator with a hose when washing your vehicle? The radiator coils are pretty tight restricting elements. In this case, the elements are mainly entering via the gap above the grill. As proof, I can post a picture of my 2016 Odyssey engine compartment. Its really clean because the hood seal works. My rough guess is that this gasket replacement repair could cost Honda as much as much as $246,500,000 if all 725,000 vehicles that received Recall #21V-93 had this repair performed. That’s using about $340 per vehicle or ($150 for new designed hood seal + $90 installation 1 hour + $100 overhead for new recall) times 725,000 vehicles= $246,500,000 loss to Honda). That a HUGE loss to Honda’s bottom line.
- Now lets say Honda refused to seal this gap for all the Recalls (like mine) and our engine compartments were allowed to soil much faster and worse than counterparts. How much would this condition affect the value of our vehicles when eventually transferring/trading the vehicle? Most assuredly, the looks of the engine compartment it counts toward the vehicle value. But the loss is yours so they don’t care. My opinion is that if the person opened your hood (which they always do) and saw a nice clean compartment you would get considerably more in trade value. I did in the past.
- This is about Honda’s bottom line not yours!
On behave of the remaining 724,999 Recall customers- I’m not finished with this yet.
You are absolutely correct, we could add a second seal along the top of the grill, but why? What lil water that happens to trickle through that minute gap is not going to hurt a darn thing. ( By the way, how much water and dust makes it through the radiator, or from around other gaps in the grill? How about the fender wells, or the debris being kicked up from the road making it's way in from underneath the vehicle?) Oh, and as far as the hood jiggle, (the true purpose of having that seal), we have experienced gusting headwinds exceeding 50 MPH, 120 MPH when combined with vehicle speed, and the hood has kept still, I am content!
A big 10-4 to that!
Bill
Thank you for your responses. What Honda is doing to its customers is not right. Maybe they are just thinking of themselves. I plan to use different approaches to address this Recall.
This will likely be my last response to you.
- This objection is not only about Safety Implications and Engine Compartment soiling. It is about $.
- Installing the striker plate as shown in Honda Service Bulletin 21-086 does not stop the problem of air rushing in at high speeds that causes the vibration that could result in hood failure. The Hood will likely still vibrate and flutter because air is still rushing in. Maybe, this striker plate will help reinforce the hood at the latch area and make the hood last longer. My rough guess is that this striker plate repair could cost Honda as much as $60,175,000 if all 725,000 vehicles that received Recall #21V-93 had this repair performed. That’s using about $83 per vehicle or ($3 per plate + $30 installation 20 minutes + $50 overhead) times 725,000 vehicles= $60,175,000 loss to Honda). That’s a BIG loss to Honda’s bottom line.
- Now let’s say Honda did it right and designed/installed a gasket that actually worked and stopped the flow of Air that is causing the problem and at the same time stopped all the nuisance rain, sleet, road dirt from entering the engine compartment from the top. Incidentally, I realize some get thru the radiator and soil the sides of the engine but not much. Did you ever rinse the bugs/dirt off your radiator with a hose when washing your vehicle? The radiator coils are pretty tight restricting elements. In this case, the elements are mainly entering via the gap above the grill. As proof, I can post a picture of my 2016 Odyssey engine compartment. Its really clean because the hood seal works. My rough guess is that this gasket replacement repair could cost Honda as much as much as $246,500,000 if all 725,000 vehicles that received Recall #21V-93 had this repair performed. That’s using about $340 per vehicle or ($150 for new designed hood seal + $90 installation 1 hour + $100 overhead for new recall) times 725,000 vehicles= $246,500,000 loss to Honda). That a HUGE loss to Honda’s bottom line.
- Now lets say Honda refused to seal this gap for all the Recalls (like mine) and our engine compartments were allowed to soil much faster and worse than counterparts. How much would this condition affect the value of our vehicles when eventually transferring/trading the vehicle? Most assuredly, the looks of the engine compartment it counts toward the vehicle value. But the loss is yours so they don’t care. My opinion is that if the person opened your hood (which they always do) and saw a nice clean compartment you would get considerably more in trade value. I did in the past.
- This is about Honda’s bottom line not yours!
On behave of the remaining 724,999 Recall customers- I’m not finished with this yet.
Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting. I occasionally wonder if my own obsessions are over-the-top, but then I run across something like this that give me comfort and reassurance.
Sincerely wishing you good luck with yours and your RL issues.
@randy2020RTL-E - It's not clear from your post whether you have tried adjusting the front gap yourself.
Is the latch at its lowest position?
- If it isn't, lower it.
- If it is, run a self adhesive rubber strip along the top of the grille to raise the landing for the seal, closing the gap.
Worst-case you'll be $10 out of pocket, but at least you'll have a clean engine bay.
@randy2020RTL-E - It's not clear from your post whether you have tried adjusting the front gap yourself.
Is the latch at its lowest position?
- If it isn't, lower it.
- If it is, run a self adhesive rubber strip along the top of the grille to raise the landing for the seal, closing the gap.
Worst-case you'll be $10 out of pocket, but at least you'll have a clean engine bay.
The hood and fenders were level with each other when vehicle was purchased. After taking it in for this Recall (4 times) I now notice that the hood is now little lower (3/32) than the side fenders body. I am guessing that either the American Honda Motors tech or maybe the dealership tried something but found that lowering 3/16 to 1/4" needed for it to touch the surface of the grill would take away from the appearance of the vehicle.
I have an idea on what to do but I am thinking of the other 725,000 owners that have this problem (Safety and soiling engine compartment) and feel that Honda is responsible for poor Hood Seal design and should rectify problem. They think they fixed the safety problem by installing something called a striker plate but that DID NOT stop the air from coming. Obviously the air (and dirt that it carries) is still entering through the gap which is what causes the vibration. For Honda- this is about lost $, not customer satisfaction! The Honda American motors Rep brought his 2022 Ridgeline in the service bay and opened the hood. It was obvious had the same problem. They should make a 3rd recall to include 2022 vehicles and get rid of they're Gasket design guy.
Then there is also the Warranty problem. You can void a warranty by doing something yourself.
But thank you for responding and bring this to my attention.