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As some of you know, most of the mainstream truck manufacturers have signed up to follow the New Society of Automotive Engineers' (SAE) J2807 trailering standard. Honda has not adopted this testing standard but has stated the following about their own testing of the Gen2:
"Honda engineers established dedicated test protocols for proving the Ridgeline in some of the toughest towing conditions found in America. Tests included hauling a large boat up a steep 14-degree launch ramp in temperatures over 100º Fahrenheit for over a half mile and climbing the steepest mountain grades pulling the maximum trailer weight (5,000 pounds, or 2,268 kg)."​


Here's my question for the ROC: Based on your experience towing with your Ridgeline, do you think our truck could pass the J2807 test towing 5,000 lbs with 300 lbs (including driver) in the cab? Please be specific and explain your examples and/or reasoning.

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For Gen 1 if you dig you will find all sorts of tibits of info here...

ROC National Meet - "Ridge Run" - Honda Ridgeline Owners Club Forums

After going to all the meets I would say Definetly YES

The Gen 1 was extemely over engineered and UNDER rated for its performance in towing and MPG etc. So was the ramp test performed on the Gen II? I don't know. I know it was performed on the Gen I. And if you know how the engineer of Gen 1 drives and his team, I know they put it though a rigorous test. Not just pulling a 5K boat up and down the ramp ALL day, but also running a 5K box trailer from the east coast to west coast, and I am sure speed limits where observed. 0:)

If you have been following whom some say the person doesn't know anything... The Gen II was designed by bean counters and cosmetic crews and the engineering team was left on the bench for the project. So was the ramp test performed on the Gen II? I don't know. Where engineering shortcuts taken the the Gen II , I don''t know. I have my opinion but will keep that to myself...

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I have towed 5k several times. I am not sure if only what is written above is in that test, but it fails to account for braking and overall stability.

That being said, I am confident it would pass the acceleration, climbing and weight tests. The launching test I am not as sure as it seems a little abusive. Five minutes is a long time so it should be able to do it, but you will be heating up the tranny fluid for sure.
 

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I have towed 5k several times. I am not sure if only what is written above is in that test, but it fails to account for braking and overall stability.

That being said, I am confident it would pass the acceleration, climbing and weight tests. The launching test I am not as sure as it seems a little abusive. Five minutes is a long time so it should be able to do it, but you will be heating up the tranny fluid for sure.
Yep, braking and stability are more important than just getting a big load up and going. We've posted a few times this past year about towing our travel trailer (per scales typically around 4600-4700 lbs). Wouldn't even think about braking without a proportional electronic brake controller (ours is a Tekonsha Primus). With that, our 2011 RTL provides confident stopping. Stability-wise, we have been very pleased with a friction sway bar - even in pretty strong crosswinds as well as passing semis and towing on rain slick, winding roads in very hilly terrain.

Our boat launch/retrieval experience probably isn't as severe as the 12% grade, since those may be hard to find on our Texas Gulf Coast. But over the years we've had to jerk our 3800 lb boat up some fairly steep ramps, and we've never manually induced VTM-4. The truck's own traction management seems to handle things well. If nothing else, this is important when retrieving your boat at a busy ramp on the bay. There might be a line of trucks and empty trailers each waiting to quickly get their boats (and catch!) out of the water and on the way home. This is not a time to be casual or slow. Considering the ramp is wet and slick, you must be able to back your trailer down into the water quickly and accurately and then pull your boat up out of there ASAP. I've seen tempers flare at the end of a busy fishing day from old salts who just will not put up with less than capable people or equipment. Our Ridgeline has never let us down. That ain't an SAE standard, but it is real world performance pressure.
 

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It seems like I saw that the G2 was J2807-certified in one of the reviews, but I can't find it. However, we all know reviews aren't always factual.

I did see a reference by David Tracy in the Jalopnik article on towing a Mustang over the Appalacians:


"On the plus side, I had learned in my last job as a powertrain cooling engineer that the trailer towing capability of most cars and trucks is actually limited by cooling capacity. And since the majority of trucks are designed to SAE J2807 standards, I knew the Ridgeline’s trailer load and GCW actually represented max weights rated to climb Davis Dam (an approximately 6 percent grade in Arizona) at 100 degrees Fahrenheit."

https://jalopnik.com/this-2017-honda-ridgeline-towed-a-classic-mustang-over-1785097265
 

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Ok, a quick Google search turned up several more sources stating that the G2 Ridgeline is J2807-compliant:

Second time a charm for Honda?s unibody Ridgeline pickup? - SAE International

https://www.tfltruck.com/2016/05/20...return-light-duty-midsize-truck-arena-review/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jensen...ing-curve-on-the-mt-washington-auto-road/amp/

I could find nothing official from Honda, though. I'm guessing LPL Kerry McClure told journalists it was J2807-compliant during the big San Antonio event.
 

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Ok, a quick Google search turned up several more sources stating that the G2 Ridgeline is J2807-compliant:

Second time a charm for Honda?s unibody Ridgeline pickup? - SAE International

https://www.tfltruck.com/2016/05/20...return-light-duty-midsize-truck-arena-review/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jensen...ing-curve-on-the-mt-washington-auto-road/amp/

I could find nothing official from Honda, though. I'm guessing LPL Kerry McClure told journalists it was J2807-compliant during the big San Antonio event.
Thanks for the citations "longboat." That type of info is what I needed for the Ridgeline Wiki. If you ever run into an SAE produced list of J2807 certified vehicles, please let me know for such a list would be a more authoritative source to use.
 

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Perhaps @csimo can shed some light on this.

(on edit I have been informed that both Toyota and all RAM trucks are now meet SAE J2807 and there may be more... I really don't know other than the Ridgeline will be). I could be wrong on that, but there are some very wild towing claims out there. I believe Honda is trying to give honest tow ratings.
 
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