That was not was I saying, please read through the entire thread. You will see what i was implying.My F150 with 470lbs of torque needed the 10 speed to handle it so I can tow 12k. So your thinking a 10 speed could not handle 280lbs of torque?
I'm inclined to believe that it will take quite a while before seeing the 10AT in a Ridgeline, too....
Again. As I stated earlier. I do believe the 10 speed similar to the odyssey's will make it to the RL just not anytime soon. Honda has a 10 yr implementation planned, my assumption is they'll take their time.
Don't know that I would read too much into that though. The current Odyssey has the 10sp in the top two trims and a max tow rating of 3500lb; That tow rating is 500lb more than the 9sp trims and 2k more than the RDX.I'd be happy to see how the 3.5 or 2.0 / 10AT would do in the RL but I'm not encouraged by the RDX towing capacity of 1500lbs - at nearly 4000lbs of curb weight and a strong chassis the RDX should be capable of much more.
I don't have as much confidence in that as you do.The 10AT should find its way into a 2020 refresh of the RL whether it's only in the upper level trims like the Odyssey or over the whole lineup. The tried, true and trusty 6AT will eventually be phased out, but it's likely the best transmission Honda has ever made. The engineering and development costs have already been vastly "paid for".
Being that the Pilot is a year ahead of the RL as far as updates go, I am doing a bit of wishful thinking in that we will see the 10AT in both vehicles for the 2020 model year in some form. The 10AT has been in the works for a very long time and I have to think that the engineers at Honda have figured out how to make it work with an AWD system and larger amounts of torque no matter if it's a V6 or turbo 4 engine. Nevertheless, if it doesn't happen for 2020, I foresee a fairly major update happening to both the Pilot and RL in 2022. Maybe then? Who knows...I don't have as much confidence in that as you do.
The Pilot just had its MMC for 2019 and carries on with the same 6-speed and 9-speed transmissions, so the 3rd generation Pilot will likely die with the same transmissions it was born with.
Considering the Ridgeline shadows the Pilot, I don't see the Ridgeline getting the 10-speed for the 2nd generation. We've still not seen the 10-speed paired with a V6 in an AWD application. I don't believe the V6 will surrender to a turbo four in Honda's PRO vehicles (Pilot, Ridgeline, Odyssey) at least through the current generations whether due to technical limitations or customer perception.
The 2.0T is capable of producing more torque than the 3.5L, but demanding its maximum output for brief situations such as merging or passing is quite different than asking it to pull an additional 5,000 lbs. up a 7% grade for eight miles while it's pushing 22 PSI of air into the engine.
Did you mean to include for V6 applications since the 10AT has been in the 2019 RDX with AWD since last summer?Here's what I was told. Original development of the Honda 10AT failed to account for AWD/4WD applications. Engineering work was ordered to develop the proper transfer case. That development is completed.
FCA, for one, likely benefitted from the use of ZF 8HP and 9HP transmissions compared to Chrysler's TorqueFlite and Ultradrive transmissions.I wonder if this whole ZF fiasco will make OEMs rethink 3rd party transmissions in some applications. I know 3rd party transmission manufacturers have been around for a while but I don't remember such a resounding rejection of a specific model.