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G1 4WD vs G2 AWD

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I have a question about the new drivetrain, the AWD type. I realize it doesn't have the 4WD lock mode, but is it just as capable when driven in dirt, backroads, etc ? I don't go off road much, but was just wondering in case a scenic opportunity comes up.
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There are lots of YouTube videos posted by users and reviewers in snow, sand, hills, mud, etc. Here's one that might impress you
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^^^Note: the YouTube poster later mentioned that the Ridgeline in the video had the 1.5" front lift and aggressive all-terrain tires. I personally would not try that stunt in a stock RL.
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RLs in 2005, 2008, 2013, and 2017 all were AWD, I can tell no difference between the 2017 and the GEN I models. All performed great.
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Pretty impressive. I guess that answers my question. Thanks for posting.
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Yeah they're both AWD. G2 just lost the locking rear diff button.
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Thats why I wont buy used, you never know what it may have gone thru or how it was takin care of. I would rather do it myself so I know what I have and what I may have damaged to get it fixed right, not just clean it up and sell. Looks like fun but their are may other mud hole off road options out there that are cheaper and can go much farther. Save that expensive truck, only abuse it when you have to.
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While plenty trucks are more capable off-road, I'd rather get some good tires on the G2 with a lift and go off-road if I rarely went rather than get a dedicated off-roader though.
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Yeah, me either. It would be rare for me to go deep off-roading.
Yeah, brents, just to be clear, the G1 was not a conventional 4WD system. All G1 Ridglines were AWD.

G2s are either FWD or optionally AWD.

The G1 AWD system had the additional feature of being able to manually lock up the rear diff in 1st, 2nd, and Reverse, at speeds below 20 mph or so.

The G2 has selectable traction "modes", and one of those offered with the AWD option will lock up the rear diff. But I have not seen anything definitive on the locking parameters (i.e. gears and speeds), or whether it also locks in Reverse.
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It looks like it's the "Sand" mode that locks the rear, according to this article with details on the modes: truckyeah link

This old press release gives some other deets as well: 2017 Honda Ridgeline Press Kit - Powertrain - Ridgeline - Honda News
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I had my 2006 & 2008 in some decent mud at the ranch we hunt and it did excellent. Only limiting factor was ground clearance and aggressiveness of the tires. In the really slick stuff mine RL performed much better than the F150s 4WD.
Have not had the G2 in anything to test its capabilities yet. Thanks to all the oil and gas well drilling we have much nicer roads to get into camp now and then my UTV and ATVs do their thing.
As northernlights stated there are much better options for serious off-roading with out worries on damaging things.
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It looks like it's the "Sand" mode that locks the rear, according to this article with details on the modes: truckyeah link

This old press release gives some other deets as well: 2017 Honda Ridgeline Press Kit - Powertrain - Ridgeline - Honda News
I'll have to keep that sand mode in mind.
Thats why I wont buy used, you never know what it may have gone thru or how it was takin care of. I would rather do it myself so I know what I have and what I may have damaged to get it fixed right, not just clean it up and sell. Looks like fun but their are may other mud hole off road options out there that are cheaper and can go much farther. Save that expensive truck, only abuse it when you have to.
Amen on that.
I bought a low mile '14 instead of waiting for G2 becuase I didn't
want a real pickup.
Lots of unanswered questions now.
I went through 10 winters in the G1s and found the AWD to be awesome on snow and ice; with the only complaint that maybe the nanny software was a bit to aggressive.

I have only had one winter on the G2 so it's not fair to compare yet.

I did hit black ice once at Hwy speed on a curvy road. I'd passed about a dozen cars off the road during an hour of driving but couldn't feel anything out of the ordinary so I was guessing they'd all gone off during the night when some weather rolled in. Cresting a hill on a noticeable curve I could see an upside down jeep in the opposing ditch lit up by a couple RCMP cruisers so a recent accident. As I approached the truck just let go and the back end tried to pass the front. The software fluttered the gas but not as hard as the G1; I steered out of the slide and went on with a new appreciation for the truck.
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Didn't the original Ridgelines come with the trunk built in and 4x4 also? And the 2 WD had trunks also.
The original Ridgelines were AWD.

There actually isn’t much of a hard definition for 4x4, 4wd, AWD, etc. People use them interchangeably at times, or at least with some overlap in their definitions. The original Ridgelines and all the pilots from that era said 4WD on the back, but they were just front wheel drive vehicles that were able to transfer some power to the back and they had an electronic locker that could be used at low speeds. Essentially they were less advanced all wheel drive vehicles than the current all wheel drive vehicles that replaced them them, but had “4wd” on the back, so people thought they were in a true 4x4.
In my opinion, and in the opinion of most everybody else, a vehicle should only be considered 4 x 4 or 4WD if it has a low speed transfer case like “real” trucks and offroad vehicles.

There are some great YouTube videos that demonstrate how much more effective the current Ridgelines all-wheel-drive system is than the previous generations all wheel drive system when used on rollers. The current Ridgeline in sand mode is the best off road mode ever put in a Ridgeline by a lot.

Go to the 3 minute mark here, to see the old system fail to move, even when "locked", when 3 wheels are on rollers.

Go to the 5:30 minute mark to watch the new system effortlessly drive off of the rollers when 3 wheels are on rollers, even in normal mode, and then do it even easier when in Sand mode.
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The original Ridgelines were AWD.

There actually isn’t much of a hard definition for 4x4, 4wd, AWD, etc. People use them interchangeably at times, or at least with some overlap in their definitions. The original Ridgelines and all the pilots from that era said 4WD on the back, but they were just front wheel drive vehicles that were able to transfer some power to the back and they had an electronic locker that could be used at low speeds. Essentially they were less advanced all wheel drive vehicles than the current all wheel drive vehicles that replaced them them, but had “4wd” on the back, so people thought they were in a true 4x4.
In my opinion, and in the opinion of most everybody else, a vehicle should only be considered 4 x 4 or 4WD if it has a low speed transfer case like “real” trucks and offroad vehicles.

There are some great YouTube videos that demonstrate how much more effective the current Ridgelines all-wheel-drive system is than the previous generations all wheel drive system when used on rollers. The current Ridgeline in sand mode is the best off road mode ever put in a Ridgeline by a lot.

Go to the 3 minute mark here, to see the old system fail to move, even when "locked", when 3 wheels are on rollers.

Go to the 5:30 minute mark to watch the new system effortlessly drive off of the rollers when 3 wheels are on rollers, even in normal mode, and then do it even easier when in Sand mode.
AWD typically uses viscous clutches to transfer power to the wheels, anywhere from one wheel to up to three or four wheels, depending on the AWD system. Most AWD systems do this on-the-fly, in real-time, with no input needed from the driver.

4wd system typically have a clutchless* mechanical linkage between the front and rear axles. This allows a low range to be easily added into the transfer case between the front and rear axles, the addition of which can be very handy when tackling very technical slow trails, tugging a very heavy boat up a boat ramp, or pulling stumps in your back yard. 🤔

Most 4wd systems are only 2wd when put into 4x4 mode, unless the vehicle is equipped with limited slip differentials (good) or lockers (better). Very few actually use lockers, and lockers can really only be practically used in slow, straight-ahead conditions. Only with true lockers on both front and rear axles can you get all four wheels to be driven at the same time, a fact that seems lost on a lot of 4x4 fans.

The AWD system used in the Ridgeline is one of the best units available, better than the system used in their CRV, better than almost all Subarus, and certainly much better than what you will find in the Maverick. Acura uses the same system in their models, but they are tweaked for sportier performance using software logic.

In short, AWD is much better than 4wd on the road, and 4wd is generally better than AWD in severe off-road conditions. AWD systems can suffer from clutch slippage and overheating when stressed, such as in difficult offroading conditions or towing very heavy loads.

4wd also has a slight advantage in efficiency (MPG) since one set of axles is typically disconnected under normal driving conditions (another fact that gets lost in many comparisons). Since the Ridgeline can provide power to any wheel at any given time, their 4wd competition should be tested in 4wd mode when comparing MPGs. :devilish:


Here is an in-depth discussion on all of the various AWD and 4wd systems:


* There are some advanced 4wd systems that also utilize a clutch system to offer "auto 4wd" advantages that AWD users typically enjoy. These advanced systems are usually found on higher trim lines.
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AWD typically uses viscous clutches to transfer power to the wheels, anywhere from one wheel to up to three or four wheels, depending on the AWD system. Most AWD systems do this on-the-fly, in real-time, with no input needed from the driver.

4wd system typically have a clutchless* mechanical linkage between the front and rear axles. This allows a low range to be easily added into the transfer case between the front and rear axles, the addition of which can be very handy when tackling very technical slow trails, tugging a very heavy boat up a boat ramp, or pulling stumps in your back yard. 🤔

Most 4wd systems are only 2wd when put into 4x4 mode, unless the vehicle is equipped with limited slip differentials (good) or lockers (better). Very few actually use lockers, and lockers can really only be practically used in slow, straight-ahead conditions. Only with true lockers on both front and rear axles can you get all four wheels to be driven at the same time, a fact that seems lost on a lot of 4x4 fans.

The AWD system used in the Ridgeline is one of the best units available, better than the system used in their CRV, better than almost all Subarus, and certainly much better than what you will find in the Maverick. Acura uses the same system in their models, but they are tweaked for sportier performance using software logic.

In short, AWD is much better than 4wd on the road, and 4wd is generally better than AWD in severe off-road conditions. AWD systems can suffer from clutch slippage and overheating when stressed, such as in difficult offroading conditions or towing very heavy loads.

4wd also has a slight advantage in efficiency (MPG) since one set of axles is typically disconnected under normal driving conditions (another fact that gets lost in many comparisons). Since the Ridgeline can provide power to any wheel at any given time, their 4wd competition should be tested in 4wd mode when comparing MPGs. :devilish:


Here is an in-depth discussion on all of the various AWD and 4wd systems:


* There are some advanced 4wd systems that also utilize a clutch system to offer "auto 4wd" advantages that AWD users typically enjoy. These advanced systems are usually found on higher trim lines.
This is a great summary.

Any idea why Honda put "4wd" on their old models? It seems pretty misleading.

Somebody told me at the dealership once, "I'd never buy the new models, they got rid of 4wd!" They thought they had some super tough 4x4 that has now been downgraded to AWD, and as a result would never live up to the ruggedness of the old model they had.

I told them it was actually AWD as well, and the response was, "No, it says right on the back is 4wd." Okay.
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The original Ridgelines were AWD.

There actually isn’t much of a hard definition for 4x4, 4wd, AWD, etc. People use them interchangeably at times, or at least with some overlap in their definitions. The original Ridgelines and all the pilots from that era said 4WD on the back, but they were just front wheel drive vehicles that were able to transfer some power to the back and they had an electronic locker that could be used at low speeds. Essentially they were less advanced all wheel drive vehicles than the current all wheel drive vehicles that replaced them them, but had “4wd” on the back, so people thought they were in a true 4x4.
In my opinion, and in the opinion of most everybody else, a vehicle should only be considered 4 x 4 or 4WD if it has a low speed transfer case like “real” trucks and offroad vehicles.

There are some great YouTube videos that demonstrate how much more effective the current Ridgelines all-wheel-drive system is than the previous generations all wheel drive system when used on rollers. The current Ridgeline in sand mode is the best off road mode ever put in a Ridgeline by a lot.

Go to the 3 minute mark here, to see the old system fail to move, even when "locked", when 3 wheels are on rollers.

Go to the 5:30 minute mark to watch the new system effortlessly drive off of the rollers when 3 wheels are on rollers, even in normal mode, and then do it even easier when in Sand mode.
I'm relatively sure that the iVTM system in the 1G Ridgeline is not that different from the 2G besides software changes.

But I'm willing to be proven wrong

I do know the iVTM system in the 1G is more advanced than it seems
I'm relatively sure that the iVTM system in the 1G Ridgeline is not that different from the 2G besides software changes.

But I'm willing to be proven wrong

I do know the iVTM system in the 1G is more advanced than it seems
It was a good system, and it did it's job perfectly fine. I know people who drove the old Ridgeline in all sorts of conditions and never had any issues at all.

I think the main practical difference now is that the vehicle can send more power to a single wheel than in the past, which is why the new model can "pass" the roller test when 3 wheels are on rollers. If you only have traction in one wheel in the old Ridgeline, you're stuck. In the new Ridgeline, you can get enough power to the remaining wheel to get unstuck. You can see that playing out in the videos I posted.

The 2nd main difference that I see is that you can engage Sand mode and drive at any speed in the new model. In the old model, if you use the electronic lock VTM lock you have to be moving less than 20 mph. Somebody can probably quote the specifics on that better than me. But essentially, the VTM button was more of a "get unstuck" button than a general driving mode that you would want to leave engaged.

Just based on videos I've seen, and people who have driven both of them, there are real improvements to the way it functions. That's not to say the old system was no good though, especially considering the time in which it was used. The systems now are just getting more advanced, as they should.

Longboat may have better information than me, but that is my overall impression from what I've seen and read.
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