IMHO Honda's position is what the owners' manual says. I accidentally put in about 1/2 tank of E-85 in January. My 2007 RL threw some codes and disabled the ABS AND AWD. Luckily it didn't hurt anything.
Gasoline with 15% ethanol
Some of the stations in my area have started selling regular gas containing 15% ethanol. They claim it can be used in any car newer than 2001. My RL owners manual calls for no more than 10%. Does anyone know Honda's position on this?
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As per the Honda manual, I would not use it. We're getting into dangerous territory with 15% alcohol being used in automobiles. I see no benefit--less mpg, burning more fuel--more wear and tear on rubber engine components.
THE OWNERS MANUAL IS HONDA'S POSITION...DO NOT USE E15...MAXIMUM ETHANOL CONTENT IS 10%. WHY DO YOU THINK HONDA WOULD HAVE A POSITION OTHER THAN THAT STATED IN THE OWNER'S MANUAL.
My use of caps is intentional. If you want to take advantage of your warranty, use what the manual states. If you do not want to have the warranty to protect your investment, do what you want!!
My use of caps is intentional. If you want to take advantage of your warranty, use what the manual states. If you do not want to have the warranty to protect your investment, do what you want!!
Even 10% of the ECrap is too much for me. I use Ethanol free gas in all engines all the time unless I'm traveling and cannot find it, then I use an
additive and a little alcohol to absorb all the Ecrap water from the tank.
additive and a little alcohol to absorb all the Ecrap water from the tank.
You add alcohol to E10? Do you realize Ethanol is alcohol? You are actually raising the non-gasoline content beyond 10%. Ethanol does not create water in the fuel...it actually removes it. That is why Heet or any other gas line anti-freeze or dryer should not be used with E10 nor it is necessary for the traditional gas line freeze preventative.
Nice to hear that you can get non e. However I would venture to say that in most of the country it would either require a very long trip to a non e gas location and or paying a price for the gas that is double if not triple that of e10.Even 10% of the ECrap is too much for me. I use Ethanol free gas in all engines all the time unless I'm traveling and cannot find it, then I use an
additive and a little alcohol to absorb all the Ecrap water from the tank.
Basically don't assume that most those of us who buy e10 gas actually have a choice. We don't; count your blessings . . .
In Denver we have emission testing and only E10 is allowed for use in automobiles.Nice to hear that you can get non e. However I would venture to say that in most of the country it would either require a very long trip to a non e gas location and or paying a price for the gas that is double if not triple that of e10.
Basically don't assume that most those of us who buy e10 gas actually have a choice. We don't; count your blessings . . .
Adding about 3% by volume of anhydrous iso propyl alcohol
will provide a water tolerance of about 0.35% at 15C and about
0.2% at 0C, thus it's ability as a cosolvent is superior on
a volume basis, and far less temperature sensitive than
methanol.
Ethanol is between the two, with a 15% blend tolerating about
1% water at 15C. The best additives are the isomeric propyl
and butyl alcohols, and above them, the tolerance decreases
as the alcohols become less water miscible
Also, Alcohol is also used to absorb and dry water such as in your ear, etc. It absorbs the water to the point of evaporating it and /or providing a cosolvent for allowing the water separated from the ethanol to be reabsorbed into the gasoline thus providing less water settling in your fuel system and it mostly burned in combustion instead of remaining separated an your tank, lines. etc.
will provide a water tolerance of about 0.35% at 15C and about
0.2% at 0C, thus it's ability as a cosolvent is superior on
a volume basis, and far less temperature sensitive than
methanol.
Ethanol is between the two, with a 15% blend tolerating about
1% water at 15C. The best additives are the isomeric propyl
and butyl alcohols, and above them, the tolerance decreases
as the alcohols become less water miscible
Also, Alcohol is also used to absorb and dry water such as in your ear, etc. It absorbs the water to the point of evaporating it and /or providing a cosolvent for allowing the water separated from the ethanol to be reabsorbed into the gasoline thus providing less water settling in your fuel system and it mostly burned in combustion instead of remaining separated an your tank, lines. etc.
I was going to say all of this stuff, but I'm the idiot that put E-85 in my tank...Just a reminder...Don't put E-85 in your tank. If you do? Your RL will survive, just dilute at every opportunity.Adding about 3% by volume of anhydrous iso propyl alcohol
will provide a water tolerance of about 0.35% at 15C and about
0.2% at 0C, thus it's ability as a cosolvent is superior on
a volume basis, and far less temperature sensitive than
methanol.
Ethanol is between the two, with a 15% blend tolerating about
1% water at 15C. The best additives are the isomeric propyl
and butyl alcohols, and above them, the tolerance decreases
as the alcohols become less water miscible
Also, Alcohol is also used to absorb and dry water such as in your ear, etc. It absorbs the water to the point of evaporating it and /or providing a cosolvent for allowing the water separated from the ethanol to be reabsorbed into the gasoline thus providing less water settling in your fuel system and it mostly burned in combustion instead of remaining separated an your tank, lines. etc.
The LESS Ethanol the better. Ethanol has a significantly lower BTU content per gallon than gasoline, but it's a cheap oxygenate. Either way the Honda engine is not designed to take advantage of the higher concentrations of Ethanol.
A few years ago Honda built a E-85 3.7 L V-6 and got crazy power out of it, but the longevity was off by about 50%.
Ethanol is corrosive and unless you have good stainless steel fuel lines you will eventually destroy your injectors.... well you'll probably do it either way with Ethanol. Penny wise pound foolish. No exceptions on this one.
A few years ago Honda built a E-85 3.7 L V-6 and got crazy power out of it, but the longevity was off by about 50%.
Ethanol is corrosive and unless you have good stainless steel fuel lines you will eventually destroy your injectors.... well you'll probably do it either way with Ethanol. Penny wise pound foolish. No exceptions on this one.
I'm so glad I live where I can get Ethanol free in all grades. ( lots of stations have it ) I get about 3-4 more MPG in my Ridgeline using the good stuff and I don't have to worry about the corrosive damage from using ethanol. It does cost a little more for the E Free gas but makes up for it more mpg.
When I can't find ethanol free ( like on a long trip in other areas ) I will top off with E free as soon as possible and put a pint of alcohol in to absorb the water better. Also I have been known to dump about 10 gals of 100LL aviation in my vehicles when I fill my airplane up.
When I can't find ethanol free ( like on a long trip in other areas ) I will top off with E free as soon as possible and put a pint of alcohol in to absorb the water better. Also I have been known to dump about 10 gals of 100LL aviation in my vehicles when I fill my airplane up.
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