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People are such suckers. Hey, buy this crappy car that you don't really want, at "employee" prices!

Wow, that sounds like a great idea!!!

NOT.

It kinda goes along with my take on the whole "buy something and save!!" BS. If you really want to save, don't buy. Cash back!!! Wow, you just got a $2000 loan at 4.5% -- good for you. No money down!! Same deal. People are teh stoopit.

Sorry, I'm feeling punchy this morning. Please ignore everything I have to say. :D
 

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I think it was a Toyota slogan but it was very catchy, "It's only a good deal if it's a good car.
 

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I love the line from the article, "The promotion was to end Sept. 6. ". Don't they mean August 1st, no wait,... July 1st? At least now that GM's rating has been lowered to Junk, they'll at least match some of their products!
 

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flymuck said:
People are such suckers. Hey, buy this crappy car that you don't really want, at "employee" prices!

Wow, that sounds like a great idea!!!

NOT.

It kinda goes along with my take on the whole "buy something and save!!" BS. If you really want to save, don't buy. Cash back!!! Wow, you just got a $2000 loan at 4.5% -- good for you. No money down!! Same deal. People are teh stoopit.

Sorry, I'm feeling punchy this morning. Please ignore everything I have to say. :D
hehehehe,,,,,,,,,,,,easy killer ;) ..........so how does the great domestic giveaway affect us import buyers anyway???? anyone know a legitament effect?
 

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hehehehe,,,,,,,,,,,,easy killer ;) ..........so how does the great domestic giveaway affect us import buyers anyway???? anyone know a legitament effect?
If your trading in a vehicle from the big 3, you get screwed because of this. The Kelly blue book trade in value on my Ranger was $7000. The best I could get from any dealer on a trade was $4700. Why would someone buy a used Ford/GM/Dodge when they can buy a new one for employee prices? I should have sold it myself but I just didn't want the hassle. Thanks big 3 :mad: .
 

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If your trading in a vehicle from the big 3, you get screwed because of this. The Kelly blue book trade in value on my Ranger was $7000. The best I could get from any dealer on a trade was $4700. Why would someone buy a used Ford/GM/Dodge when they can buy a new one for employee prices? I should have sold it myself but I just didn't want the hassle. Thanks big 3 :mad: .

Agreed, the trade in value on my Bravada plummeted, but I was so happy to get rid of that POS it didn't matter!
 

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I think it was a Toyota slogan but it was very catchy, "It's only a good deal if it's a good car.
Actually I think this belongs to Chrysler, and they are still using something similar in their current ad campaign with a girl who is both cute and scary at the same time *shiver*. Their slogan is if you can get a better car buy it.
 

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While I would agree that the current pricing scheme is hurting trade-ins, I don't support the notion that the big three have bad vehicles. My previous vehicles to the Honda and the Subaru were two Ford Escorts, they were beyond good, and one of them is still being used by a family member more than 120k miles beyond what I sold it with, it is now 12 years old and never a major issue with it. Before that I had a Chevy Berretta and it was great until I buried the poor thing by being such a bad owner (really, I think I had the oil changed 2 times in 3 years, and beat the thing to death). My grandfather had a Chevy Blazer (s10) for 12 years and only had transmission problems with it caused probably by other family members who shouldn't have been driving a stick. So while I will say that the quality of Honda in general exceeds that of Ford or GM (can't speak to Dodge, the only dodge we have had wasn't very good), Ford and GM do make good vehicles, they just don't have the styling and such of Honda and Toyota. Also make no mistake, part of the GM problem has nothing to do with quality and everything to do with volume, there is just more GM vehicles out there, so you are bound to hear more complaints about them.
 

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Captmiddy,

My 2002 Olds Bravada had no less than 9 recalls on it in the 3 years I owned it. I am pretty sure that classifies as poor quality.

Before the Bravada, I leased a Toyota 4 runner... VERY well made vehicle.

The Dodge Durango I owned prior to that had several recalls and a transmission that would over heat sitting in traffic. I was told "They all do that, just put it in neutral if there are traffic delays".

The last decent Big 3 auto I had was an 86 (I believe) GMC Jimmy, I admit it was a solid vehicle.

My wife now drives an infinity after giving up on her pontiac, She has had it for over 4 years now and has had one electrical relay fail. Other than that it has only seen the shop for oil changes or scheduled maintenance.

I now own a Honda obviously.

All three Japanese vehicles we have owned were/are hands down better in quality than any of the American cars we have owned. Maybe our experience is atypical, but judging from my experience and that of people I know, I don't believe that is the case.

Never is a long time, so I won't say never, but it will be a Loooooong time before I ever consider the "Big 3" again.
 

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My 2002 Olds Bravada had no less than 9 recalls on it in the 3 years I owned it. I am pretty sure that classifies as poor quality.
Sounds like you had bad luck with your vehicles from the big 3, but like I said part of it is raw volume and some of it is that not all their vehicles are as good as others. If you ask my grandfather the best car he has ever owned was and he will tell you it was a Chevy Astro to this day. He loved that thing, no trouble at all and it ran great till the day he traded it in on the Blazer, an event he wishes he never did. Not that he didn't have fair luck with the Blazer just it wasn't anything like the Astro was. My family has generally driven vehicles from the Big 3, only a few of us have ventured to non-American vehicles. And my family has generally had good luck with their vehicles. Again I am not doubting that there are people who have consistent bad luck with their vehicles from anyone. I know people who have had terrible Honda experiences, that didn't affect my choice because I know in general Honda has a good reputation for quality.

Remember that the primary person to say anything is the one that has had a problem, we tend not to praise when things work as expected.
 

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Remember that the primary person to say anything is the one that has had a problem, we tend not to praise when things work as expected.
Very true. For that very reason I usually try to make an effort to praise someone/something when things go well!

Perhaps I have just been unlucky with my last few Big 3 vehicles, I too have friends who swear by them, but my experience has been bad. Oh well, your mileage may vary! :)
 

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The big issue is here is now that the Big 3 started this employee pricing, they don't know how to STOP the process. The continuing add on months and now '06 models is the only way for them to maintain sales. If they stop the program there sales will nose dive and there inventories will skyrocket. The can of worms is open, there loose, and they don't have a net or a lid.
 

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The big issue is here is now that the Big 3 started this employee pricing, they don't know how to STOP the process. The continuing add on months and now '06 models is the only way for them to maintain sales. If they stop the program there sales will nose dive and there inventories will skyrocket. The can of worms is open, there loose, and they don't have a net or a lid.
I think your right. No one dares to stop first. As soon as someone anounces an end, the others give an extension so the the first one extends too so as to not loose sales. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
 

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No one's brought this up yet as far as I know, but I wonder how all these employee pricing extensions are affecting employee moral? I, for one, would be pissed to see one of my biggest employment perks suddenly turned into a neverending sales promotion. For a month or two, fine. But like others have mentioned, it doesn't look like these promotions are going to be ended any time soon. So, yeah, I'd be a bit disgruntled if I worked at the Big 3. Differing viewpoints?
 

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They can't be too pizzed. I was reading the story in the paper today about Hummer and possible long term effects of the Military buying less Humvees.

One of the things mentioned was that GM would be loathe to lay off employees as THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY THEM 95% of their salaries...

Talk about a company in a world of hurt...
 

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Sears trained the public never to buy anything at Sears that was not 'On Sale". The regular prices were inflated and everything eventually went on sale. That practice just about put them out of business. Other reatilers copied the example that Sears set and it did put them out of business. I hope that the big 3 don't go down the same road.
 

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This is too funny that they keep setting a deadline and then keep extending it. I suppose the most important thing about this sales technique is that the steel they're moving into the market is a reliable quality product. Retaining these customers is the important thing. Whether their product is reliable or not, alot of domestic models just seems cheap for the most part, at least to me.
 

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Whether their product is reliable or not, alot of domestic models just seems cheap for the most part, at least to me.
Could that be that you only look at their plastics? The plastics design of the big 3 is nothing compared the the fit and finish on Honda and Toyota vehicles. This will often give you a bad impression even though the underlying hardware is still fairly high quality.
 

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Could that be that you only look at their plastics? The plastics design of the big 3 is nothing compared the the fit and finish on Honda and Toyota vehicles..
Most definitely, Interiors are a big part of how the driver interfaces with the vehicle. As far as the reliability of the hardware underneath, I guess from what I glean there some models the excell within domestic brands. others? .....not so much. If your an uneducated consumer, you can probably walk on a Honda and Toyota lot and drive off in a good reliable vehicle. I think you need to be more educated as a consumer to drive off with the same experience from a domestic. The pontiac Vibe is a great reliable vehicle just as an example...................... :D :D :D
 
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