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If you want to really do some serious 4-wheeling on a regular basis, I wouldn't buy a Ridgeline. I'd buy a Tacoma. Lot's of advantages of a body-on-frame truck in heavy-duty off road applications, and I trust Toyota quality as much as Honda. And Taco's are great 4-wheelers. But if you want a truck that sacrifices a little bit of off-road capability to do the 99% of what most trucks actually do better than any BOF truck, get the RL. I put some 265/60R18's on mine, which as is as big as you can go "no-rub" without a lift. It's actually made a bit of difference in terms of ground clearance - the only negative side-effect really is that your speedo will be 2-3 mph slow. It also makes the trucks' proportions look correct, unlike the "skateboard wheel" look of the stock 245's. And I was amazed at how well the RL did in the video - but also still wouldn't buy the Ridgeline if I were spending my weekends doing that.
 

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The 2023 Pilot TrailSport package does add functionality, such as a factory lift, real skidplates, recovery hooks, A/T tires, offroad mode(s), full-size spare and 360° terrain cameras.
If you don't need a pickup, you might look at that Pilot option, or wait for the next-gen Ridgeline to get it.
I stand corrected.... I think.
 

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It was pretty amazing what the Ridgeline did in this video. After reading all the negativity on the net about how the Ridgeline was only good for fire roads and such this was impressive.

awd broncho vs honda ridgeline vid
This RL is far from stock. The suspension is all cu$tom.

Isnt this the guy who installed the line lock on his RL? Edit: It is the same guy. Emmanuel @k20nartpro

"DIFFERENT" LOCKER (Brake Line Lock) - Technology used for drag racing applied to off-road - YouTube

Dump enough money into anything it will climb walls

BALLS Equipped Passport vs. Ridgeline vs. Cayenne vs. Maverick on a Hill Climb - YouTube
 

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Hi folks - new member here. I'm seriously considering a '23 RTL now that I see dealers moving off MSRP to $40k and less here around Chicago. Since I'm new to this vehicle I'm seeing the endless commentary on off-road capability. When I compare the Chevy it has a listed GC of 8.2" or .3" more than the RL. I drove a 4WD Colorado for several years for a public agency that took me off-road on a regular basis. Open fields, dirt trails, deep snow and crazy slopes all in 4HI. Obviously not Moab, but I never recall ever being concerned with GC or getting stuck. I understand 4WD vs. AWD but am I missing something here? I mean does .3" difference really matter? I'd like to at least hit the better seasonal roads up north if possible.
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The RL is a great vehicle, hobbled for me by its Camry-level ground clearance. Couldn't they have given us the "capability" of a Subaru Forester? (2" more clearance)

And the RL is actually lower than they claim (esp after a few miles) plus that silly plastic air dam lip that catches (but probably gives 0.000001 better MPG in the lab). I can't even get my floor jack under the front lip (6"?)

Great AWD - wasted... The Colorado is much simpler to mod for extra clearance, because it has trim levels with taller tires. I hope we all understand that for the most part, ground clearance comes from taller tires? Skid plates? They reduce your ground clearance. I've done tons of off-roading, and IMO the only need for skid plates is with bad drivers or the wrong vehicle (or serious rock-crawling, and even then build a rig for that). The CO is nowhere near as sophisticated, or comfortable as the RL though. Do you give up 90% for 10%? Depends on your needs. I see plenty of guys driving full-size pickups with ungodly noisy mud tires. I assume they never go very far because that drone would drive you nuts on the highway - but they either only care about the look, or have a very long and very muddy driveway

All Honda has to do is make space for taller tires. Ideally, they would offer it as a trim and then the speedo could be calibrated, but just space would be a start. I read about people jacking the RL up and ruining handling, then trying to squeeze bigger rubber in there, which rubs... Just go buy the truck you should have in the first place

RL is good in snow up to about 8" (I'm in Maine, have driven in snow for decades). It's great on gravel roads. Off-road, it's a "mistake"
 

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FYI…i started out off-roading with a 1997 Honda CR-V many moons ago. Yeah, i took it to many places…and suffered some bodily harm…but fun! So, i am not foreign to using a Honda off-road. It is just finding the proper tool for the job.
My guess is the CR-V is better off-road (than a RL) if you pick the right model year. Some of their "AWD" versions were almost useless. But short breakover and rear overhang
 

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Put a 1.5" lift and some 265s on it...simple enough.
That might get you another inch (halfway to Forester GC ) and you have ruined the handling and still have the issue of exposed parts. Of course, you can also add a skid plate and lose that inch you paid so much to get...

I wonder if people who buy monster mudder trucks have forum conversations on "How to make the on-road ride more like a Ridgeline"? :)
 

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The RL is a great vehicle, hobbled for me by its Camry-level ground clearance. Couldn't they have given us the "capability" of a Subaru Forester? (2" more clearance)

And the RL is actually lower than they claim (esp after a few miles) plus that silly plastic air dam lip that catches (but probably gives 0.000001 better MPG in the lab). I can't even get my floor jack under the front lip (6"?)

Great AWD - wasted... The Colorado is much simpler to mod for extra clearance, because it has trim levels with taller tires. I hope we all understand that for the most part, ground clearance comes from taller tires? Skid plates? They reduce your ground clearance. I've done tons of off-roading, and IMO the only need for skid plates is with bad drivers or the wrong vehicle (or serious rock-crawling, and even then build a rig for that). The CO is nowhere near as sophisticated, or comfortable as the RL though. Do you give up 90% for 10%? Depends on your needs. I see plenty of guys driving full-size pickups with ungodly noisy mud tires. I assume they never go very far because that drone would drive you nuts on the highway - but they either only care about the look, or have a very long and very muddy driveway

All Honda has to do is make space for taller tires. Ideally, they would offer it as a trim and then the speedo could be calibrated, but just space would be a start. I read about people jacking the RL up and ruining handling, then trying to squeeze bigger rubber in there, which rubs... Just go buy the truck you should have in the first place

RL is good in snow up to about 8" (I'm in Maine, have driven in snow for decades). It's great on gravel roads. Off-road, it's a "mistake"
Yeah, i agree with everything you said except skids only for bad driver…that’s not true at all. Off-roading is not on a known course nor under ideal conditions. Spotters help but sometimes, sh!t happens. So, skids are there to provide protection for the unknown or the unexpected. The same for rock sliders. And sometimes, knowing that you have these protections in place allows you to go a littler farther.

As for skids decreasing clearance…sure, it is is an afterthought. Properly designed vehicles (like my LC), the skids are at frame height. All the vital components are tucked nicely ABOVE the lower frame…thus, the skids are protective yet not intrusive below frame height.
 

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My guess is the CR-V is better off-road (than a RL) if you pick the right model year. Some of their "AWD" versions were almost useless. But short breakover and rear overhang
There is never a CRV that is “right” or better for off-road. Clearances were always not great. RT-4wd was never that good. No protection. Weak 4-banger...minimal to Torque at low RPMs.
 

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Yeah, i agree with everything you said except skids only for bad driver…that’s not true at all. Off-roading is not on a known course nor under ideal conditions. Spotters help but sometimes, sh!t happens. So, skids are there to provide protection for the unknown or the unexpected. The same for rock sliders. And sometimes, knowing that you have these protections in place allows you to go a littler farther.

As for skids decreasing clearance…sure, it is is an afterthought. Properly designed vehicles (like my LC), the skids are at frame height. All the vital components are tucked nicely ABOVE the lower frame…thus, the skids are protective yet not intrusive below frame height.
It depends. Define off-roading. Playing in the rocks? Then sure. I have driven for months and thousands of miles "off-road" - right across southern Africa a few times. In both Land Rovers (300tdi Defenders) and Land Cruisers (LC76). None of which had any extra skid plates (OK - the Defender had a front diff cover), because they were made for rough use, have decent ground clearance and also because the drivers had mechanical sympathy. We have done famous (van Zyl's) passes (towing bush trailers) in "stock" Defenders with no extra underbody protection. Never broke anything

I had rock sliders on my Discovery 2 - being sort of pretty, I did want to protect the sills. But it also had good clearance (and air suspension) so nothing else was needed.

I guess my point is, you don't need skid plates on an appropriate vehicle. If the driver is a foot-to-the-floor type they'd be a good idea. But if you are thinking that adding them makes a vehicle better for off-road use? Better to buy the right vehicle in the first place IMO
 

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It depends. Define off-roading. Playing in the rocks? Then sure. I have driven for months and thousands of miles "off-road" - right across southern Africa a few times. In both Land Rovers (300tdi Defenders) and Land Cruisers (LC76). None of which had any extra skid plates (OK - the Defender had a front diff cover), because they were made for rough use, have decent ground clearance and also because the drivers had mechanical sympathy. We have done famous (van Zyl's) passes (towing bush trailers) in "stock" Defenders with no extra underbody protection. Never broke anything

I had rock sliders on my Discovery 2 - being sort of pretty, I did want to protect the sills. But it also had good clearance (and air suspension) so nothing else was needed.

I guess my point is, you don't need skid plates on an appropriate vehicle. If the driver is a foot-to-the-floor type they'd be a good idea. But if you are thinking that adding them makes a vehicle better for off-road use? Better to buy the right vehicle in the first place IMO
I don’t think that anyone will ever say that adding skids will make it more capable.

Protection of the sill is very important because damage to the sill is $$$$$. (And that is why frame mounted sliders are ideal vs. body mounted.)

I don’t understand what you meant…”extra skid plates”? You mean aftermarket ones or factory ones? A lot of the older SUVs (defender, LC, G-wagen) had only the front skid plate…some have under transfer case. But these old dinosaurs had vital parts tucked in above lower frame height…and some, like G-wagen used the crossmembers to protect vitals. So these designs were done right (but led to compromises inside the cabin and step-in height) for off-roading over any terrain, NOT because drivers were good or have sympathy back then.

But even these old designs suffered damage off-road because rocks / ledges / tree trunks sometimes rise unexpectedly and hit in the right spot where the frame cannot protect. This is why later versions of above dinosaurs added skids to the appropriate areas: transmission, transfer case and fuel tank.

And air/hydraulic suspension is just dumb in an off-roader...but that is another story.
 

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And don’t forget…Europeans off-road differently than USA. Euros / Aussies go on safari and sight-seeing. USA off-roads on rocks / ledges / boulders.

So, that is why there is such a HUGE market for skid plates for Defenders and other old dinosaurs because what you can escape with in Australia (without protection) will be a major weakness here in USA.

So yeah, i disagree with you that ONLY bad drivers need skids. That is pretty nonsense with the type of off-roading folks here do. But yeah, if you’re talking about Europeans/Australia, then yeah you are maybe right…but even over there, newer vehicles have skids all-around.
 
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I think we mostly agree. The proper 4X4s protect vulnerable parts by design. My Defender has only a thin sheet steel protection (standard) for the fuel tank - nothing else that could be called such. I added the front diff cover since they are thin. Have I ever knocked it? I don't think so. I have bent the fold-down steps a few times, though. In the Defender and LC, you (hopefully) learn where the diffs are in relation to the wheels and avoid knocking them. But I can lie underneath both of them on my back and touch the Xfer case and gearbox - no skid plates. And drivers matter - any Hilux driven by a "company driver" will have ten times the failures of an owner-operated one, in my experience. Or farmers. Farmers are tough on vehicles. They have schedules. I don't :)

I've certainly done some dumb moves driving in the bush, but I've never broken anything as a result. Rocks and trees don't jump out. Get out and walk the trail if you have to - but of course many drivers just put the foot down and "bang"
 

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And don’t forget…Europeans off-road differently than USA. Euros / Aussies go on safari and sight-seeing. USA off-roads on rocks / ledges / boulders.

So, that is why there is such a HUGE market for skid plates for Defenders and other old dinosaurs because what you can escape with in Australia (without protection) will be a major weakness here in USA.

So yeah, i disagree with you that ONLY bad drivers need skids. That is pretty nonsense with the type of off-roading folks here do. But yeah, if you’re talking about Europeans/Australia, then yeah you are maybe right…but even over there, newer vehicles have skids all-around.
I've never driven off-road in Oz (I have driven there though) but would love to. Might happen

Off-road in Europe (I lived in the UK for 20 years) is mostly play like the USA. Not too many "need" an off-road 4X4. I do find the current "overlanding" trend in the US to be amusing - brand-new Volvo XC-90s with a roof tent :) We call that "car camping". As mentioned, I've been driving really off-road in Africa for a while. I drove a LR Series 2 across the Kalahari in 1976 - that's how long. It had a shower out back (never used) but no skid plates. I've driven much of southern Africa since, and while there are great roads in places, there are lots of places with nothing more than tracks or a riverbed. That type of use is not weekend play like the Rubicon. I do appreciate extreme rock-crawling, but look at the rigs they create. Incredible. But also very specialized. Trying to off-road in a "nice" vehicle is nuts IMO

So I try and wrap my head around the "need" for off-road ability and extras here in the US. I live in Maine (much of the year). It snows. Lots sometimes. My RL has great AWD and crappy ground clearance. 12" of snow and my wheels don't touch the ground any more. That sucks, and I wish it was better. But I am not heading down rutted, rocky logging roads usually. If I had a job that required that, I would buy an "appropriate" vehicle - probably a TRD Pro Taco with +11" from the factory
 

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I know what you are saying but according to the net the Ridgeline would not be able to do what it did in the video which it did.
I watched the video. Did you listen to all the modifications the guy made on the Ridgeline? Far, far from a stock Ridge and to say that a Ridgeline is capable of performing like that, is just wrong. A seriously modified Ridgeline can do those things. Agreed.
 

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RL is good in snow up to about 8" (I'm in Maine, have driven in snow for decades). It's great on gravel roads. Off-road, it's a "mistake"
Perhaps with the stock tires. With proper winter tires, you should easily go 12" or more.

Heck, my little Accord coupe would go through nine inches of snow with Altimax Arctic tires.
 

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You removed the skid plate due to damage? Isn't that what it's made for? Must be missing something here.
The four front mounting points were damaged to the point of no longer being able to support the skid plate. I have not taken the time yet to disassemble the front grill to see how, or if, the damage can be repaired.

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Note that the Colorado is going thru a full redesign for 2023. I suspect a 2022 will depreciate more because of it being the ‘old design’. I also do not like buying the first of a redesign. If I was to prioritize off roading I would by the Toyota.
 
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