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Exciting news! I believe I have the ANSWER... how to enable the trip computer and air conditioning controls that Honda disabled in the Ridgeline.

Has this been proven or even tested? NO, but from what we can tell (without actually having access to a Ridgeline) it SHOULD work.

I've started a new thread for one purpose. I'm not able to post all that is needed at this time and I'll need your help. I hope we can keep this thread ON TOPIC and all work together toward getting this problem solved. I hope the moderators will help me keep this thread on topic.

I was WRONG about the changes not being possible via the DVD. Seems that it will be via the DVD and will be VERY SIMPLE! Just can't give you all the info just yet.

Assignments: A few to start with.

#1 We must find a way to burn a DVD that the Ridgeline NAV unit will read. Those of you out there with both a NAV DVD and a DVD burner must find a way to copy the DVD and it be readable in the Ridgeline NAV unit. I do know the DVD is a multi-layer DVD, but I can't tell you what format or burning method may work. If anyone can burn a copy of their original DVD and have the burned copy actually work in the Ridgeline NAV unit please post complete information here. How you did it, what media, what burner, what software, everything!

#2 Look at your NAV DVD. What color is the label? What version number is printed on it? Most are 4.13c that we've seen, but there's supposedly a version 4.20 out there. If some of you could post a directory of the files on your DVD it would be welcomed. No need for duplication if someone else has posted what your DVD contains.

#3 We need directory information from ALL 2005 model Acura and Honda NAV DVD's. Post the directory info (list of files, sizes and dates) and list the model. Only 2005 models please.

The above will get us well on our way to having this issue solved. I should have my Ridgeline within the next two weeks and I intend to have a working trip computer and A/C functions on my navigation system the day I pick it up. With your help we can make this possible. We've got to get past issue #1 above first, but with all the knowledge out there I bet we can do it.

Thanks,
Joe
 

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Here's some info I found that may work to duplicate the DVD. Credit to tsXgtp.

I don't currently have the hardware to test this. Hope someone does.

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W\ BitSetting
1. You buy a DVD+R DL
2. Find a program that will allow you to alter the BitSettings on your DVD DL burner. Not all drives allow this. I have an NEC 3500A and the firmware is open source which allows many people to freely edit at their own cost. Flashing the ROM on your DVD burner may also be necessary.
3. Change the Bitset for DVD+R DL discs from 'DVD+R' to 'DVD-ROM'.
4. Burn the disc
5. The DVD+R DL disk is now considered a 'DVD-ROM' disc and will be able to be read on all DVD players that can read DVD-ROM discs (standard data disc).

Check out DVD Decrypter and DVD Identifier. Decrypter can change the BitSet on some drives along with Nero 6.6.1.
Hope this helps."
 

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Its going to take some major compression, the files on the DVD are 7.5 Gig and a regular DVD is only 4.7 gig.

Other than that fact I wouldnt be making it public record that your hacking a disc with copywrite protection on it. :eek: I think I'll just keep B*$^%ing at Honda about it even though they wont do anything about it :D
No, I'm not worried about Honda coming after me at all. The information contained on the DVD is copyrighted by four different organizations. Honda, InfoUSA, Navigation Technologies, and Alpine.

There are others that have been working at this (on different Honda or Acura vehicles of course) for quite some time. Not a peep out of anyone regarding copyright violations.

As for what we're starting with here... you have an absolute right to make archival copies of the DVD for your own purposes. Been all the way to the Supreme Court and contained in the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act). No problem here.

To display the contents, or directory of the DVD is certainly not a violation of any copyright.

Above all... I don't intend to charge money to enable the features described. It would be pretty fuitless for them to come after me or anyone else when there's no money involved.

Not worried at all. Full steam ahead!
 

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Same info on mine as Bellteck.
White label.
Ver 4.13C
US & Southern Cal.
ditto on file info.
YEAH!
 

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pbear said:
Same info on mine as Bellteck.
White label.
Ver 4.13C
US & Southern Cal.
ditto on file info.
YEAH!
Can you or Bellteck post the acutal filenames, sizes and dates? Like the old DOS style directory.

Thanks!
 

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Does this help at all? I have version 4.13A (white)??? My Ridge may have been approx. #596 produced (vin#).



E:\>dir
Volume in drive E is BTM050S13A
Volume Serial Number is 014B-6DC6

Directory of E:\

10/23/2003 07:52 PM 27,848 05M_14Wide.TTF
05/20/2004 05:32 PM 337,016 80000000.BMP
05/20/2004 05:30 PM 337,016 80000001.BMP
11/19/2004 12:22 AM 1,296 A0000_00.MNG
09/17/2004 01:27 AM 75,428,208 ARROW.BMP
10/01/2004 09:48 PM 1,530,354,345 DCA0.AR0
10/01/2004 09:52 PM 874,878,616 DCA0.AR1
10/01/2004 09:55 PM 833,463,141 DCA0.AR2
10/01/2004 10:31 PM 375 DCA0.REG
07/08/2004 10:55 PM 10,792,464 ENUS2FA0.LE
07/08/2004 11:03 PM 10,552,512 ENUS2MA0.LE
07/08/2004 11:06 PM 8,928,968 FRCA2FA0.LE
05/06/2003 11:50 PM 2,823,794 FRNCH2F.VC_
07/07/2004 04:00 PM 53,257,898 FR_ETB2F.VC_
10/07/2004 03:54 AM <DIR> HAWAII
10/07/2004 03:54 AM <DIR> MAPFONTS
10/07/2004 03:54 AM <DIR> MAPICONS
11/17/2004 08:59 AM 112 PRG_INFO.MNG
09/17/2004 01:27 AM 63,502,064 ROAD.BMP
11/17/2004 11:32 AM 4,008,947 S3VW.bin
11/17/2004 11:32 AM 21,358,967 S3VW2.bin
11/17/2004 08:24 AM 4,007,831 SHJA.bin
11/17/2004 08:25 AM 21,239,647 SHJA2.bin
11/17/2004 08:55 AM 3,998,411 SJAA.bin
11/17/2004 08:56 AM 22,670,175 SJAA2.bin
11/17/2004 11:45 AM 4,007,847 SJCA.bin
11/17/2004 11:45 AM 21,238,123 SJCA2.bin
06/22/2004 10:39 AM 70,256 SideShiftPart.bmp
10/07/2004 03:54 AM <DIR> SimpleBmp
03/25/2004 07:02 AM 1,972,080 Smplbmp.bmp
03/25/2004 07:02 AM 536 Smplbmp.idx
11/16/2004 07:15 AM 3,418,490,177 U0001_02.BAS
09/30/2004 03:43 AM 173,874,074 U0130_02.ROA
09/30/2004 03:43 AM 998,106 U2001_02.CIT
09/30/2004 03:43 AM 4,126,132 U2002_02.SIG
08/31/2004 07:26 AM 88,576 UPDATE_APL.exe
01/20/2003 10:11 PM 2,446,208 US_ENG2F.VC_
02/04/2003 03:57 PM 2,430,336 US_ENG2M.VC_
07/07/2004 04:08 PM 52,969,836 US_ETB2F.VC_
07/07/2004 04:16 PM 51,940,332 US_ETB2M.VC_
09/29/2004 08:24 AM 562,954,708 VRDB.BIN
09/29/2004 10:55 PM 504 d0.tbb
09/29/2004 10:55 PM 8,375,528 d0.tcr
09/29/2004 10:55 PM 10,320 d0_bsa.tbb
09/29/2004 10:55 PM 8,377,355 d0_bsa.tcr
09/29/2004 10:56 PM 85,865 dca0.evt
09/29/2004 10:56 PM 94,203 dca0_mod.evt
43 File(s) 7,856,520,753 bytes
4 Dir(s) 0 bytes free
 

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06RTLNAVBlue,

Good info. Thanks.

Now we need the same kind of info from 4.13b and 4.13c and other versions.

Thanks!
 

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reddwarf said:
Could we also find a way to change the startup screen and get rid of the nag screen?
I believe we will be able to do the following regarding the nag screen.

#1 Change or delete the text that is displayed.

#2 Eliminate the need to hit the "OK" button.

What will we NOT be able to do? Speed up the bootstrap. The message is being displayed as part of the bootstrap. The delay will remiain even if the nag screen is removed. So it won't be any quicker even if we remove the nag screen.
 

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We need some help from any "computer experts" out there. We must find a way to burn or duplicate the factory navigation DVD and the duplicate work on the Ridgeline.

I know Dual Layer media is expensive. I don't really understand the "Change the Bitset for DVD+R DL discs from 'DVD+R' to 'DVD-ROM'" suggestion from another source, but someone here must know what it means and is willing to give it a try.

We've got to get past this hurdle. There must be a way to duplicate the nav DVD and have it work in the Ridgeline!
 

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Just a thought, maybe a "computer enthusiast bulletin board" or "club" would know how???

Csimo, I think you mentioned this site already but not sure??? Maybe somebody on this site knows??? (below is a copy of a previous post I made)

Interesting post I noticed at the bottom of the "Autoblog" article:

Posted Apr 22, 2005, 3:02 PM ET by sparc
If you're really bothered by the boring screens, that can probably be fixed.
http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000443040445/I'm surprised auto manufacturers don't provide simple customization tools like these themselves.

http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000443040445

http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112677

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21434


 

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I attempted to burn a copy of my Navi DVD tonight onto a Memorex DVD+R DL ('white DVD, version 4.13c). The burn worked flawlessly but the disc did not work in the Navi unit. I have no idea how to change the bitset of the disc.

Sorry guys, gave it my best shot.
 

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Ok....Update from North of the border, my RL came with 2 DVD's

Loaded under seat: Ver. 4.20 (CANADA, and northern USA)
In glove box: Ver. 4.13A (USA and Southern Canada)
 

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Ok....Update from North of the border, my RL came with 2 DVD's

Loaded under seat: Ver. 4.20 (CANADA, and northern USA)
In glove box: Ver. 4.13A (USA and Southern Canada)
Great info! Would love to see a directory listing of the files on each of those DVD's.
 

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csimo said:
I don't really understand the "Change the Bitset for DVD+R DL discs from 'DVD+R' to 'DVD-ROM'" suggestion from another source, but someone here must know what it means and is willing to give it a try.
There is a utility that you download from your DVD recorder website that lets you change this bit setting. The +R/RW formats are the only ones this works for (not the -R/RW). It makes the disc more compatible with DVD players, but there is no guarantee that the DVD player Honda uses will read a recordable disc. Just like old DVD players won't read them. It's all in the laser that's used in the player to read the disc.

I have this utility at home for my burner, but I don't have the Navi unit.
 

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Here are the files that were not the map data from an Acura RL. I checked and the map files are the same date and file size on both DVDs.

The disk label was white and was labled 4.13b

10/23/2003 04:52 PM 27,848 05M_14Wide.TTF
05/20/2004 02:32 PM 337,016 80000000.BMP
05/20/2004 02:30 PM 337,016 80000001.BMP
12/07/2004 04:19 PM 1,296 A0000_00.MNG
09/16/2004 10:27 PM 75,428,208 ARROW.BMP
09/29/2004 07:55 PM 504 d0.tbb
09/29/2004 07:55 PM 8,375,528 d0.tcr
09/29/2004 07:55 PM 10,320 d0_bsa.tbb
09/29/2004 07:55 PM 8,377,355 d0_bsa.tcr
09/29/2004 07:56 PM 85,865 dca0.evt
10/01/2004 07:31 PM 375 DCA0.REG
09/29/2004 07:56 PM 94,203 dca0_mod.evt
07/08/2004 07:55 PM 10,792,464 ENUS2FA0.LE
07/08/2004 08:03 PM 10,552,512 ENUS2MA0.LE
07/08/2004 08:06 PM 8,928,968 FRCA2FA0.LE
05/06/2003 08:50 PM 2,823,794 FRNCH2F.VC_
07/07/2004 01:00 PM 53,257,898 FR_ETB2F.VC_
05/11/2005 04:58 PM <DIR> HAWAII
05/11/2005 04:58 PM <DIR> MAPFONTS
05/11/2005 04:57 PM <DIR> MAPICONS
12/11/2004 01:32 AM 112 PRG_INFO.MNG
09/16/2004 10:27 PM 63,502,064 ROAD.BMP
12/11/2004 01:16 AM 4,013,215 S3VW.bin
12/11/2004 01:17 AM 21,372,807 S3VW2.bin
12/11/2004 01:18 AM 4,011,299 SHJA.bin
12/11/2004 01:18 AM 21,253,455 SHJA2.bin
06/22/2004 07:39 AM 70,256 SideShiftPart.bmp
05/11/2005 04:57 PM <DIR> SimpleBmp
12/04/2004 07:50 AM 4,001,179 SJAA.bin
12/04/2004 07:50 AM 22,682,743 SJAA2.bin
12/11/2004 03:25 AM 4,011,323 SJCA.bin
12/11/2004 03:25 AM 21,251,855 SJCA2.bin
03/25/2004 04:02 AM 1,972,080 Smplbmp.bmp
03/25/2004 04:02 AM 536 Smplbmp.idx
09/30/2004 12:43 AM 998,106 U2001_02.CIT
09/30/2004 12:43 AM 4,126,132 U2002_02.SIG
08/31/2004 04:26 AM 88,576 UPDATE_APL.exe
01/20/2003 07:11 PM 2,446,208 US_ENG2F.VC_
02/04/2003 12:57 PM 2,430,336 US_ENG2M.VC_
07/07/2004 01:08 PM 52,969,836 US_ETB2F.VC_
07/07/2004 01:16 PM 51,940,332 US_ETB2M.VC_

I went into the system setup and there is an update or load data button (sorry I forget right now) it seems to go to the DVD and load a ROM update as it showed a status bar and asked me to be sure not to turn the truck off. This is pretty normal behavior for a BIOS flash. I'm wondering if it might be as simple as renaming some of the .bin files to the RL names and running the update.

Also another thought. On the TSX hack they just use a regular CD to import the updates. We might not need to worry about the map data and DVD-ROM bit set if all we are doing is flashing the roms.

Csimo would digital pics of the various screens on the Ridge / Acura RL be helpful? Like the 2 attached samples.

While I really enjoy all the challenge of this project it seems like Honda would be so much better served not having us strugle through this.
 

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