Am I understanding correctly that a Honda dealer used non-Honda parts and fluids and unapproved additives when servicing your vehicle?
I would not say they are not unknown additives Honda/Acura owners manuals say not to use additives. But for years with my Acura they used & still do many BG products. So the owners manuals are not exactly true. I you go back in Honda/Acura parts you will see what the use Honda/Acura does not make their fluids or chemicals. The Honda dealership is were I purchased the BG44K fuel treat for my Acura that was sitting for 2yrs un started. The dealerships use many of the products in service to fix or maintain vehicles from things like fuel rail cleaning chemicals and machines. Acura has used the Transmission Conditioner in my car the MOA they use to put in but I use Full SYN oil as had been the case with Ridgeline but they made the mistake and put regular in as I did not request oil change and no charge. It was most likely due for an oil change I was busy with the other fluids.Am I understanding correctly that a Honda dealer used non-Honda parts and fluids and unapproved additives when servicing your vehicle?
My service manager has been with Honda for over 30years. When I had my 80 Prelude he was service advisor in 1983. He was manager and got moved into the their Chevrolet Service. This was doing the time after I did not have Honda but got an Acura. He came back to Honda service after we got the Ridgeline in the main Dealership Service department. Then they moved him back to the original old Honda Service. My Acura service advisor has been with Acura dealership over 14yrs and some others have been there at least 10yrs.Fred, I think I've seen that reported a time or two over the years (a Honda dealer using non-Honda fluids). While I expect you are fine with the BG products, my OCD would raise some stink over some of those fluids, especially tranny and rear diff. Honda seems to make a big deal about using no substitutes for certain fluids.
I'll be curious what your service manager says about it.
I am checking out forums about the BG SYNCRO SHIFT 2 and people have posted about Honda/Acura Dealerships using it as instead of VTM-4MAYbe it's just me, but if I'm paying the Honda (or Acura) Dealer to do fluid changes, I would expect them to use Honda Fluids where Honda specifies a specific fluid. If Honda specifies an industry standard spec, or equivalents (like for engine oil) then great. AS far as I know, Honda has never approved an equivalent for their tranny fluid or VTM-4. I do think they approve some fluids for use as temporary replacements until the Honda fluid can be installed. If there are equivalents, it is news to me.
That's positively bizarre to me. I'm aware that Honda doesn't make their own fluids and that they are made by others to Honda specifications (which are sometimes higher and/or proprietary). I've been in the service departments of several Honda dealerships in my life and I've never seen the use of non-Honda-branded fluids. The sole exception is the non-Honda-branded bulk engine oil used at a local "mega" Honda dealer. Every other fluid that is put into the vehicle comes from a container that has "Honda Genuine" written on it. I can't fathom the use of unapproved additives like fuel treatment and transmission conditioner. I'm very curious to hear Honda's position on such practices.I would not say they are not unknown additives Honda/Acura owners manuals say not to use additives. But for years with my Acura they used & still do many BG products. So the owners manuals are not exactly true. I you go back in Honda/Acura parts you will see what the use Honda/Acura does not make their fluids or chemicals. The Honda dealership is were I purchased the BG44K fuel treat for my Acura that was sitting for 2yrs un started. The dealerships use many of the products in service to fix or maintain vehicles from things like fuel rail cleaning chemicals and machines. Acura has used the Transmission Conditioner in my car the MOA they use to put in but I use Full SYN oil as had been the case with Ridgeline but they made the mistake and put regular in as I did not request oil change and no charge. It was most likely due for an oil change I was busy with the other fluids.
But yes the dealers do use additives or other fluids that are compatible or exceed specification. I bet anything if you go to Honda/Acura dealership they have this stuff in their parts department because it's what they use.
I have always got BG44K at different Honda/Acura dealerships. When we had Dodge Caravan they use to use it at the dealership service and the Benz dealership next to the Honda used it as well. I got a can at the Ford dealership in same auto park multiple car dealerships there. This is why I was looking for the VTM-4 fluid but they use the BG SYNCRO SHIFT as said looks like it's okay and may exceed. Take a look at some of the fluids several of dealerships we order from on here. I am sure you will find BG products because they use in service. Honda/Acura do not make their own fluids.
You never heard of BG44K Fuel System Cleaner part#208. The auto dealerships use/sell this stuff this is were you would more easily purchase it. The other Fluids/chemicals not so sure about sale over counter. But 44K I think Napa has it I have seen. When I first got my 00 3.2TL new the dealership was putting this in the tank at service intervals 7,500miles. I think they stopped that not sure about now.That's positively bizarre to me. I'm aware that Honda doesn't make their own fluids and that they are made by others to Honda specifications (which are sometimes higher and/or proprietary). I've been in the service departments of several Honda dealerships in my life and I've never seen the use of non-Honda-branded fluids. The sole exception is the non-Honda-branded bulk engine oil used at a local "mega" Honda dealer. Every other fluid that is put into the vehicle comes from a container that has "Honda Genuine" written on it. I can't fathom the use of unapproved additives like fuel treatment and transmission conditioner. I'm very curious to hear Honda's position on such practices.
Why is a dumb move I bet my Acura Dealership is servicing MDX SUV the same way and whatever vehicles that use Dual Pump/Dual Pump 2/ VTM-4 fluid.I completely agree with Zroger . . .
Is the BG transmission fluid they used supposedly equivalent to the DW-1 fluid or the earlier Z-1? Do they even have the specs to answer this?
When you change your transmission fluid with a typical dump and fill you only get 1/3-1/4 of the old fluid out. If, for instance, you decided to make a stink about the fluid they used, it would be a pretty major PIA to actually remedy the situation as their BG fluid is now mixed in. It would take NUMEROUS dump and fills to get the MAJORITY of it out. Installing non OEM transmission fluid in your (Sisters) Ridge's trans is not only against Honda's protocol, it is not easily remedied. They have basically made a significant decision for you without asking and can't really undo it. Seems like a pretty dumb move to me.
BG fuel system cleaner?? I'm sure people argue its efficacy all the time but most of what I know about these type of blend in with your fuel cleaners is that they really don't do much except pad the wallets of the garages /shops that are selling them to you. Feed the injectors directly a concentrated cleaning solution and you can indeed make difference.
I know my local dealer uses "aftermarket" fluids that are NOT spec'd by Honda. What I mean is, they routinely use fuel treatment, engine cleaner, brake cleaners, oil, and such and charge the customer plenty for it. However, I am also sure they use Honda Branded spec fluids for Tranny, power steering, coolant, and VTM. They charge an arm and a leg for them also (retail). They even change the aluminum washer each time they change the fluid (I haven't done that in years).Well, if it's on the internet, it must be true!
I have never seen Honda say BG or any other additives, conditioners, or alternatives are "okay" nor have I personally seen non-Honda fluids aside from engine oil and windshield washer fluid used or sold at Honda dealerships, but I haven't pilfered through their inventory warehouses, either.
I have seen Honda say use ONLY "Genuine Honda so-and-so" and DO NOT use additives in owner's manuals and service bulletins.
Again, I'm not saying these products don't work or aren't superior to Honda-branded fluids. I'm just saying it is in the best interest of the dealer's liability to use only Honda-branded fluids where such exists. On the other hand, the dealer can stand to make a higher profit by using non-Honda fluids while increasing their liability. Why would Honda approve of, let alone suggest, the use of a competitor's product which would cut into sales of their own product? It just doesn't make sense.
I don't have the answer to why Honda/Acura or any other New vehicle Dealership like Toyota/Lexus Mercedes Benz that does the exact same. The dealerships must be confident the products work. If there were mass failures something would have been done years ago. I don't see Dealership covering this because they used an additive and something happen. I don't see BG covering massive vehicle failures either. I am very well aware of Honda/Acura owners manual words as have been owner for 36yrs and have been getting service at dealerships on a regular basis. But as said new car dealerships do use many of these products in service. I found another post on Piloteers Forum that said dealer used BG SYNCRO SHIFT 2 in Pilot not VTM-4 It was dated 2015. They were getting same responses. Why would Acura dealership use BG ATC PLUS in new 5speed transmission or anybody else that original had known recall defect.Well, if it's on the internet, it must be true!
I have never seen Honda say BG or any other additives, conditioners, or alternatives are "okay" nor have I personally seen non-Honda fluids aside from engine oil and windshield washer fluid used or sold at Honda dealerships, but I haven't pilfered through their inventory warehouses, either.
I have seen Honda say use ONLY "Genuine Honda so-and-so" and DO NOT use additives in owner's manuals and service bulletins.
Again, I'm not saying these products don't work or aren't superior to Honda-branded fluids. I'm just saying it is in the best interest of the dealer's liability to use only Honda-branded fluids where such exists. On the other hand, the dealer can stand to make a higher profit by using non-Honda fluids while increasing their liability. Why would Honda approve of, let alone suggest, the use of a competitor's product which would cut into sales of their own product? It just doesn't make sense.