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My 2022 RL is in shop due to brake noise. Tech is unsure what is wrong. So, i have a loaner…2022 Honda HRV. MRSP is $25k.

The car is OK. Noisy. Suspension too firm for my taste. Bad seating. Tons of road noise! I would not buy it for sure.

But damn, the HRV’s throttle is perfect. The powertrain moves to my right foot perfectly. No lag. No rubber necking because your body expect something and your car does not respond. No hesitation. Smooth. Mid corner throttle or braking? No problem.

And this is on ECO mode in the HRV!!! Oh, no crappy auto-start/stop to ruin the experience. No need for Sport/Sequential mode either because throttle response is perfect. Surprisingly, the HRV’s CVT is well-behaved. (Note, i have not off-roaded the HRV or tow etc. to comment on CVT in those situations.)

Why is it that Honda got the throttle so right on HRV and yet so wrong on the fancy Ridgeline?? RL’s engine is great i am sure. But the throttle tuning and ZF 9-speed are just a disaster IMHO. ECO mode on RL is useless...might as well put a pillow behind the gas pedal. The fancy ZF shifting is pure crap. Sport/Sequential mode is too aggressive for daily driving. Non-S mode makes the engine into a non-boosted 3-cylinder slow poke. It is sad when I have to use S-mode just to merge onto highway ramp! A simple task as accelerating from stop is painfully slow because ZF starts in 2nd gear! And then you add in the useless auto-start/stop crap that damages engines apparently!

I love the RL. One of the best cars i have ever owned. Extremely practical. But the powertrain tuning and/or transmission leave A LOT to be desired.

Sorry for rant.
 

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Apples and oranges.
Yeah sure…maybe. But some trucks /SUVs have sluggish throttle on purpose for off-roading purpose…fancier ones adjust throttle response if you put it into 4-LO/Hi.

But Ridgeline is an on-road vehicle...in the same vein as unibody SUVs or other soccer mom type cars. So, on-road driving experience should be consistent with other Honda vehicles. There is no downside to making Ridgeline more responsive. Some of my issue is with the crappy ZF transmission...no way around that.
 

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I can’t speak for electric cars because I haven’t driven one, but I know on my electric motorcycle, the direct drive motor gives me instant reponse to throttle input. There is no transmission, no drive train slop, just a direct connection. Maybe if the Ridgeline was electric and had no transmission at all, you’d get that instant response you’re looking for.
Honda HRV is not electric. Gas engine with CVT.
 

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IMO the Toyota 8 speed is better but not in the league of an E-CVT. It just shows how important a good mating of an engine and transmission is to the overall driving experience.

Ever notice how those HRV's seem to always be passing cars on the highway and you wonder how it can do that with a motorcycle sized engine and slow 0-60 times. There is a big difference between real world driving and 0-60 instrumented tests.

Hopefully the 10 speed will make this a non-issue but it's 2022 this is 2015 tech that will be around for another generation.
My LC’s 8-speed is very smooth and pretty good…not the best that i have used but light years better than RL’s ZF.
 

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If OP was stating that the V6 is far more responsive than the 1.8L, then you might have a point with your apples/oranges comment. But he's not, he's commenting that the 1.8L is for more responsive than the V6, so making a fair point about the Ridgeline powertrain characteristics.
Exactly.

I am not talking about 0-60 nor top speed. It is the throttle and/or shifting behavior of the RL’s powertrain that sucks.

Honda’s top V6 engine with ZF tranny should NOT suck this badly in performing simple daily tasks. ECO, normal, and Sequential all have issues that should not be there on a modern vehicle with modern technology! And don’t get me started again on auto-stop/start!

How is it that a small cheaper 4-cyl econobox with CVT be sooooo much better at daily driving?
 

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If you think transmission/throttle response on the Ridgeline is bad, go drive a Tacoma. But I do agree, the transmission/throttle response tuning could use some improvement. I still love the truck though and wouldn't trade her for anything else, at least not at the moment. 😉
As for Tacoma…sure…it may suck…but it is because Toyota is using an old transmission from 7-10 year ago i think!

I am OK with that if you give me some durability/reliability in exchange. Can you say the same about the ZF transmission? I don’t know. Some folks here swear by ZF…and then you read other Honda forums who crap on its durability/reliability.
 

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@smufguy I may have to try a tank of premium just for grins. Of course, I'll have to take out a second mortgage first. 😲
Yes, cost me $102 to fill our Lexus GX SUV, which uses premium gas. But on the other topic, the GX engine and transmission together - like warm butter.
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And the GX powertrain is old! But yeah, i had GX once……smooth as butter! Everything about the GX is smooth as butter! LOL
 

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I am wondering if I might be misreading something. Maybe need some new meds.

The OP was comparing an HRV favorably to a Ridgeline? A car that takes almost 9 seconds to get to 60, vs a truck that takes close to 6? And the HRV is somehow better at passing cars on the highway?

IDK. To each his own I guess. I am thinking some people have never driven a truck. Maybe they expect instant torque AND 30 mpg. The Ridgeline is as fast as most trims of the Accord. It is CERTAINLY less sluggish than a Tacoma, which I traded in for the Ridgeline.

If you think it’s a slug, with all respect, I wonder if you just bought the wrong truck. Maybe you can find a Syclone on the used market, or would settle for one of those larger trucks that are faster but more expensive and have worse gas mileage.
Read my signature. I have driven big and small.

When did i write about passing cars? Jeff…put on your reading glasses damnit!

When did I mention fuel economy? And when did i talk about 0-60?

Please re-read my post(s). Your response to me is as nonsense as what you perceived what i meant. :D
 
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So D is unresponsive and S is too responsive. Did I get that right? Try moving your seat forward or wear bigger shoes. It does make a difference. We have a 21 RL and a 20 HRV. The HRV is fine but boring. Prefer the RL hands down and I'm in no way a hypermiler.
Me too. I much prefer the RL. BUT that is not what I am talking about.

Who said HRV was exciting? Not me.
 

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I’d agree with the apples and oranges comment. Ironically I traded a ‘21 CRV for my ‘22 Ridgeline. I can see the point about the response, but in my opinion the CVT was horrible. Overall the CRV was noisy and sounded like an angry bumblebee. When I test drove my Ridgeline, it was like a Cadillac. The CRV had no get up and go and to me had a bit more of a lag. I understand these things are subjective, but the only thing I miss about my CRV is the MPG. I needed a larger vehicle because my work requires me to drive my own vehicle and haul parts.
I cannot comment on CRV…have not driven it. Oh yeah, the HRV from 0-60 is slow, no doubt. But that is not why i made this thread. The HRV has no lag to your right leg, whether from stop light or passing on highway, but that may be due to CVT? Sure it is slow but the response to your right foot is what i am talking about. It may not win 0-60 but off the light, it is ”quick” to respond to my right foot.

The RL has a soft get up and go when you press gas pedal, exacerbated by auto-stop/start. And that is because ZF/Honda chose to start in 2nd gear (in Normal mode)…something that other makers only use in their “SNOW” mode and for good reason. And if it is because 1st gear & diff ratio are too low (numerically high), then that is just bad planning by Honda/ZF to compensate for.

Or when i am merging onto highway everyday going to work after a sweeping turn-in, i find that the ZF response in Normal mode to be lacking and soft…and requires me to really push the gas pedal deep just to get enough response from the transmission and thus adequate engine power. So, everyday, i have to remember to push the S-mode button to feel more confident merging. Why do i have to do this? My Acura does fine in normal mode In this same exact situation…power when i need it. My LC is fine but that is apple to orange. And, surprisingly, HRV does great…no need to pound my gas pedal nor wait for transmission to decide (maybe due to CVT?). Despite HRV being slow as heck as pointed out above, the merging aspect is fine. Kept with oncoming traffic without me having to slam the gas pedal nor switch to different mode.

As noted above, the 3.5 V6 is a great responsive engine when it is in the right gear and/or when throttle is on-point. But the throttle tuning and/or ZF tranny just neuters the hell out of this great engine. I get it IF this occurs in ECO mode. I am all for that. But this happens in Normal mode…it is like having ECO and ECO Plus! And then you have S-mode that is too far to the other extreme. And even then only S-mode does not get remembered by the car when you shut it off.

(Note that in the upcoming Acura Integra, i hear that auto-start/stop OFF selection is permanent…so, clearly Honda/Acura understands the absurdity of this feature.)
 

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Generally agree with that.
I think the only differences here are that…unlike the weakness of the infotainment system…the trucks efficiency, acceleration, merging, transmission, braking, appearance, seat comfort, visibility, etc.…those are ALL things a buyer can actually assess and accept as they research then test drive then sign the piece of paper. I read the original post using a comparison to a four-cylinder vehicle as an flawed comparison/complaint…”apple and oranges”. But the OP’er clarified this somewhat.
I know for sure that when I bought my Ridgeline, I made an assessment on everything I could see and research before and after my test drive. The weak infotainment system was not as obvious as the transmission/merging or comfort/ride that’s for dang sure. I also know that I have no issues with the transmission or how the truck merges in traffic or the eco mode. Lucky me I guess.
Peace.
Well aware that I did not buy a rocket. The pluses of the RL overrules the above issues for sure. Like I said on first page, RL is one of the best car I have ever owned. For my family, it is more valuable than my LC. So, sorry to disappoint a few here, I am not selling it anytime soon.

But it is not to say that RL is perfect. And me complaining about it should not cause anyone’s pantries to get twisted. It is just that…a discussion regarding an issue I perceive. YMMV. And apparently I am not alone in having this issue(s).
 

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I think everything that could have been said has been said, but my problems with this thread are A) the clickbait title and B) the misleading comparisons between a truck and a sedan or small SUV (even though those are slower).

I find the transmission just about perfect both for daily driving and for towing. It was implemented a certain way to achieve the things most people need. (And as said above, no way to increase acceleration without increasing gas consumption. It’s chemistry, and common sense.)

Pretty regularly someone on the forum comes out and thrashes the transmission. That’s OK, just be aware it’s your opinion. Most people aren’t looking for a rocket or an HSV or a CRV or another other V except a truck that drives well.

If you need to go faster, put it in S or don’t be shy with the long pedal. It’ll move.

Of course this is my opinion. It is also my opinion that Honda could sell a quarter million of these things if they could just get them out to market, the demand is so high right now. Even with a 9-speed transmission that some people find laggy.
If you have an issue with this “clickbait” and misleading comparison then why are you still here? Hint: i was not aiming for clickbait…..and seriously, why would i want clickbait in THIS relatively small forum?! LOL

You’re the guy who equate 0-60 time with driving experiences, right? A Camry V6 can go faster than a Miata, right? Which do you think drives better? My Land Cruiser can go faster than a Miata from 0-60…but which do you think feels better around town?

A more responsive throttle may not lead to significant increase consumption of fuel. That all depends on the driver’s right foot, right? Again, Honda HRV is NOT a sports car nor a sports SUV. It has a shitty 0-60 time.

Using S mode just to merge or dipping into the long pedal…that’s just an excuse for a poorly calibrated throttle and/or tranny.

In this market, Pontiac Aztec could sell like hotcakes! Or a Ford Pinto.
 

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Discussion Starter · #63 · (Edited)
“To improve responsiveness and acceleration in your Honda, try this one weird trick!”

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(Yes, I’m aware it’s S mode in the Ridgeline. Let’s not go there. The Honda designers might have been on to something, though.)
And yet you fail (again and again) to understand what i wrote this whole time….

(Boy, my clickbait really works! You’re still here…answering questions that were never asked…. :D )
 

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Not sure where you guys are at…but around here…….premium gas is much much more expensive than regular grade! I rather just rant on this forum than to pay that much premium these days! :D
 
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