The affected vehicles had harnesses that weren't built to "spec." Spec harnesses were installed during production starting in mid August.I appreciate the reply. However, I do not own a G2 RL. I am trying to find out if Honda has remedied this problem at the factory with a new harness design.
In the event I consider purchasing an AWD G2, I want to know the VIN number after which the problem has been permanently corrected. I also would like to know if Honda has not yet corrected this issue in production.
If anyone has answers, I'd be grateful to hear them. Thanks!
No, you're not a lawyer.......If the fix is available and you do not have it done and then it causes an accident due to uncommanded braking, guess who is on the hook for the accident? Certainly not Honda and it might even be the case that your insurance would refuse to pay because you did not have the recommended recall done.
Sure, not likely, and I am not a lawyer (thankfully), but I can see how not doing what you are expected to do as a vehicle owner might have legal consequences.
Very interesting about your point about the C601 position. Makes me wonder what "wiring connection joint" Honda are referring to in the NHTSA filing that was supposed to be in the cab, but is instead under a drain hole. Based on your statement, I would guess the reason they evaluate the C601 as part of the service bulletin process is that it is the most vulnerable component to water intrusion through the wiring connection joint and if it is dry/OK, then the other parts will be too.We can all speculate and have theories about the A fix but the C601 has got to stay where it is (not the cab) because it's other half is the rear sub harness which is also the same part number used by the Honda Pilot. (My sister has a 2017 MDX and there is a C601 like connector in the same location as the RL). Imagine ordering a rear sub harness that has to make it's way to the cab, not going to work. Interesting that the advisor already knows it will be an 8 hour repair but until it's published I'm skeptical but you never know. I don't know what could take 8 hours instead of replacing the bed to have the same outcome as replacing both harnesses. Cheaper in terms of parts perhaps. We need more info about the cab section of the harness, still a mystery.
The recall is on RLs built before Aug 12. If you are looking to buy a new RL, I doubt there are any pre-8/12 left unsold on dealer lots. The only other way to check would be to enter the serial number on the website or remove the tail light to check the harness date.I appreciate the reply. However, I do not own a G2 RL. I am trying to find out if Honda has remedied this problem at the factory with a new harness design.
In the event I consider purchasing an AWD G2, I want to know the VIN number after which the problem has been permanently corrected. I also would like to know if Honda has not yet corrected this issue in production.
If anyone has answers, I'd be grateful to hear them. Thanks!
I think it's about saving money. If the C601 is dry then no harness replacement per the recall remedy. If it's not to "spec" why then not just replace it? Probably because Honda thinks they can save those that haven't been compromised. If they relocate the C601 then there would have to be a second set of replacement parts VIN# specific which doesn't make sense to me. I don't want to assume too much though. Bill will have the answers shortly when he can visually compare the new parts to the old ones. Really would like to know what is on the cab end of the harness and what that has to do with the C601.Very interesting about your point about the C601 position. Makes me wonder what "wiring connection joint" Honda are referring to in the NHTSA filing that was supposed to be in the cab, but is instead under a drain hole. Based on your statement, I would guess the reason they evaluate the C601 as part of the service bulletin process is that it is the most vulnerable component to water intrusion through the wiring connection joint and if it is dry/OK, then the other parts will be too.
Honda states that beginning August 12: "Rear wiring harnesses manufactured to Honda specifications were implemented on the production line." They state that the ones installed prior to that were not to specifications. So I would assume that the only resolution for trucks built prior to August 12 would either be to replace the wiring harnesses that were not manufactured to Honda specifications with those that are; or to somehow modify the faulty harnesses that were installed.
The affected vehicles had harnesses that weren't built to "spec." Spec harnesses were installed during production starting in mid August.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2016/RCLRPT-16V888-2363.PDF
The recall is on RLs built before Aug 12. If you are looking to buy a new RL, I doubt there are any pre-8/12 left unsold on dealer lots. The only other way to check would be to enter the serial number on the website or remove the tail light to check the harness date.
I just got this January 7th TSB 16-093 05501 Version 3 from the great guy at www.HardTopGuy.com today...credit where credit is due.If anyone can access recalls, there is an update as of today. A repair part# has been issued, but not available as of yet.
I got a phone call from my dealer. They say updated parts are available.
Will be going in next week.
Harness full blown comparison coming soon.
Looks like the fix if VERY involved!
You are taking the bed off??When I remove my original harness (dated 7-27-16) I will trace pin 7 through the entire harness and see where changes were made if any.
Thanks for the excellent summary.....
One of my original questions is still unanswered however. How did Honda determine if you are part of the recall if your harness is dated after 8/9/16? Remember all harnesses after 8/9/16 have nothing to do with the splice by the cab. Honda must feel really sure that C601 is safe from water intrusion if you are not part of the recall, me not so much.
Going forward, If any RL's present a wet C601 and are not part of the recall, Honda will have a major problem on their hands. Personally, I think a shield or tape of the connector couldn't hurt.
Hmmmm...seems if that was just it, the fix would be to just add some 3M 5200 to where it goes into the connector and call it a day though...*shrugs*Repair procedure A to me looks like maybe the cable harness supplier used the wrong diameter wire for pin 7 of C601. So with the incorrect wire diameter, C601 gasket for pin 7 would not keep water from entering the back side of pin 7. Honda fix is to replace the wire with a larger size diameter wire to seal the connector C601 pin 7.
So, wonder if just sealing pin 7 at C601 would prevent the water intrusion?In short, based solely on the wording of repair procedure A, this is how I take it:
-water is moving into C601 through pin 7, upstream of C601. Moving the upstream source of pin 7 into the cab prevents the water entry
Based on that, I will be able to locate the orginal upstream location, and source of the water intrusion by following pin 7 upstream, in both the old and new harness.
Hoping to have the new harness in hand by the end of this week.
