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Lower back pain from seats becoming intolerable

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First off, let me start by saying that I'm 33 years old and have never had back problems. I sit on the couch in any awkward position, slouch in my desk chair at work, walk all day, whatever. I've never had any back issues other than the occasional "man, I must have slept funny" when I first wake up. My RTL is the 10th vehicle I've owned. Most recently has been a '13 VW GTI, '11 Nissan Frontier, and an '06 Acura TSX that was my winter "beater" this past winter. I've never had a problem spending hours in any of my previous nine cars. Sure, some were more comfortable than others, but none of them ever caused me discomfort or pain.

My lower back gets sore and stiff after only 20 to 30 minutes in my Ridgeline. After 45 or 50 minutes I start to squirm and find myself trying to stretch. I've done everything I can think of to play with the seat adjustment. I've raised it as high as possible, lowered it all the way down, played with the tilt, reclined until I could barely reach the steering wheel, sat up like a little old lady, and played with the lumbar many times. Thinking it may be the stupidly high left food dead pedal, I've tried pulling my left leg in and keeping my knee bent more. For the past couple of weeks, I try the new settings for an entire commute to work to give it a chance. My commute varies from 35-50min depending on traffic.

I'm 5'9" and ~185 lbs so I'd say I'm pretty average. I usually tend to sit slightly more upright (seat back more vertical) than most people ever since being taught in a racing driving school the importance of being able to reach the top of the steering wheel without locking your elbows. But like I said, I've tried every other position too.

Tomorrow will mark one month since I took delivery. If I can't remedy this soon, I may actually start looking at trading the truck in. My fiance will probably shoot me for doing so, but I can't bear sitting in something this uncomfortable anymore. Especially when I spend upwards of two hours a day commuting and driving for work.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar with their G2 RL or any other vehicle? Any suggestions?
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For me personally, I don't think Honda gets the lumbar position correct on its seats, and the power seats do not adjust lumbar support as far 'off' as the seats with manual lumbar. One reason I preferred the cloth seats is that I felt the lumbar support on the RTL-T and was afraid it would be an issue in the future.

I had the same issue with my 2007 TL. After about an hour in that seat I had to stop. I did not have problems in the identical-other-than-lumbar passenger seat if my wife drove (although onerailunder has a point maybe there might have been something with the dead pedal or steering wheel angle causing the issue). I loved how the TL looked and drove but after 4 years I never found a comfortable seating position - trading for my 2013 Accord Sport was the greatest day of my backs life. Around the same time I test drove a 2012 Pilot and a 2010 MDX and felt the same lumbar pressure so we didn't buy it.

In the last 5 years I have driven 9-12 hours straight (other than fuel stops) in my wife's RAV4, my S2000 (which I have one position where I fit), my 2013 Accord, and multiple rental cars (Fusion, Elantra, CX-5, Equinox) without any problems at all so it isn't my back.

erikras, If your dealer has an RTS/RT or a base Pilot on the lot with manual seats, take it for a test drive and see if your back agrees.
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Had back problems with a Mazda CX-5, bought it brand new and loved everything about the car... except I couldn't sit in it for more than 20 minutes.

Could not stand the idea of losing the value by trading it back in, so I held onto it for a few years. The best trial/error solution I came up with in that timeframe was a seat cushion.

I ended up purchasing one from Oregon Aero. Expensive, but worth it. I now use that cushion in all vehicles, even when they don't hurt my back.

http://www.oregonaero.com/accessories/softseat-portable-cushions

Terrible feeling when you can't get comfortable, hope you figure it out!


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Had back problems with a Mazda CX-5, bought it brand new and loved everything about the car... except I couldn't sit in it for more than 20 minutes.

Could not stand the idea of losing the value by trading it back in, so I held onto it for a few years. The best trial/error solution I came up with in that timeframe was a seat cushion.

I ended up purchasing one from Oregon Aero. Expensive, but worth it. I now use that cushion in all vehicles, even when they don't hurt my back.

http://www.oregonaero.com/accessories/softseat-portable-cushions

Terrible feeling when you can't get comfortable, hope you figure it out!


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Thats the opposite for my dad. My mom bought a 2015 Mazda CX-5, mind you my dad has 3 herniated discs and he says that the Mazda and my RL are most comfortable on his back.
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Same thing happened to me. I've had 25+ cars and my 2013 Camaro SS convertible was just unbearable. I dealt with it for a year and sold it. Camaro drivers swear it was a super comfortable car. I've had vehicles of every type. When I changed cars, the problem went away.


There are many variables that affect comfort, and sometimes I think the combination in some vehicles just doesn't fit some people.
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I have a 2017 rtl-e, and also think the seats suck. There is no lumbar support. Even when dialed all the way up, the lumbar support is just plain terrible. I typically drive more vertical as well, but have found that I needed to move the seat forward and tilt it back to decrease back pain. There just isn't enough lumbar support to keep the spine in the correct orientation when sitting more upright.

I know honda can make good seats, I had great seats in my 2002 Civic SI hatchback.

My other car is a 2011 BMW 335i, it also has great seats, with a ton of lumbar support.

edit: I'm 6/4", 170lbs.
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Yoga does wonders for the body, as does core strength/balance training, but most men are way too embarrassed to try it.
That's were all the hot chics are. Give it a try!
I have a 2017 rtl-e, and also think the seats suck. There is no lumbar support. Even when dialed all the way up, the lumbar support is just plain terrible.
I have an RTL-E and have to say I think the seats are very comfortable. I feel the lumbar support is very good. You are toggling it with the toggle switch on the side, toward the rear? I find I feel it inflating quite a bit. I don't even keep it at max, probably 50%. And, I have an extensive back history (surgery, fractures).

Just want to balance the discussion. Each person is an individual and no two back issues are absolutely the same. For the OP I recommend trying to vary seat position, recline, etc. On the RTL which I believe the OP has is there the same lumbar support as the RTL-E?

Paul.
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Thank you for the overwhelming number of responses and advice!

A couple key points I want to address:

First, I don't think the suspension has anything to do with it. My last car was a 2013 VW GTI with 225/40R18's, Bilstein coilovers, solid urethane suspension bushings, and 28/24mm solid sway bars. I could drive the thing for hours with no issues. Keep in mind, this was just a month ago.

Second, I think the only car I've owned with softer seats was my '06 Acura TSX that I daily drove from Nov until April this past winter. I prefer a firmer seat cushion.

This morning I lifted the seat almost as high as it would go, moved it forward a bit, and reclined it slightly more than normal. I probably spent a total of about an hour and a half in the truck today and it seems to have helped some. I have a habbit of firmly planting my left foot on the dead pedal in whatever car I'm driving. Being that the Ridgeline has a higher dead pedal than any car I've owned, I'm thinking that may be part of my issue. With the seat adjusted the way it was today, it seems to help by keeping my left and right feet more even. I especially paid attention today to make sure I wasn't applying any real pressure to the dead pedal with my left foot. Tomorrow, I'm going to try reclining the seat a bit more. Unfortunately, I already have the telescoping steering wheel as far out as it goes so I'm not sure how much more I can recline the seat and still reach it comfortably.

I found a thread on here where G1 owners are calling their dead pedal the "plastic tower of pain." Fortunately for them, the PoS piece of plastic is removable in the G1. I looked at my truck tonight, and the dead pedal appears to be a thing plastic piece adhered to the carpet. I didn't pull off the plastic trim, but feeling behind the carpet, it doesn't feel like there's anything removable behind there. There appears to be sound insulation attached to the backside of the carpet.

I'll never understand why auto manufacturers put these stupid things in cars. I have always suspected it has to do with keeping drivers from "locking" their knees to prevent injury in crashes. That's just a guess.
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I love my G1, but the leather seats are very painful on long drives. It appears to be due to the firmness of the seat padding, the seat heater, and the positioning of the seam in the bottom portion of the seat --- makes a hard "ridge" that just kills my hips. It has been OK for my lower back, but I end up doing a lot of squirming around due to the positioning of the lumbar support. The Gen 2 seats seem to be better but still on the firm side.

Gen 2 or Gen 1 owners who are suffering from lower back pain while driving their Ridgelines and attribute it to the seats, might actually be suffering from TIBS (Trunk Induced Back Spankage). Although the trunk is one of the most useful and versatile features of the Ridgeline, bending forward and down to get stuff in/out of it are lower back killers, particularly if you are twisting at all while doing so. That position and motion put tremendous stress on the lumbar discs, and if you already have a problem brewing (such as degenerative disk disease), just reaching in there and lifting something out might be enough to leave you aching. Lifting out something fairly heavy might leave you with a herniated disk that can inflict unbelievable long-term pain and ruination.

If you watch people using the trunk on the Ridgeline, you may notice that if there is anything mounted in the hitch receptacle, that people tend to open the trunk and will put stuff in from the right side because that's where the handle is. Then instead of straddling the hitch receptacle so they are square to the trunk, they will end up facing it on a bit of a diagonal so that when they bend down they are rotating their back a bit. Picking up even a few pounds this way can leave some folks hurting - it's a chiropractor bill waiting to happen.

An annoying feature of back injuries from such motions, is that unless the disk herniates badly there might not be any immediately obvious pain. Instead you end up with a barely noticeable feeling of tightness that slowly ramps up into throbbing pain especially if you are sitting. Then when you stand up or move around, it might realign things enough that the pain subsides ---- or if you are unlucky it might immediately get worse. The delay between the injury and the pain can make it tough to identify what caused it. If you are one of the unlucky few to have persistent back problems though, you may become very alert to that feeling of tightness and learn what sets it off.

One thing you might try, is one of those wedge-shaped pads that they sell at the "Relax Your Back" store and similar places. You sit on the thicker part with the thin part under your thighs, and it will generally have a cutout in the rear for the tailbone. Some folks get significant relief from using them. Good luck!!
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Regarding the dead pedal being too close:

I know the live pedals aren't movable (ala F150), but what if you stuck some hard foam blocks to the pedals, then moved your seat back two inches. You could glue a wedge to the dead pedal to give it a more relaxed angle. If it feels good, glue it permanently. Main caveat would be reached to the steering wheel.
I find the dead pedal or foot rest uncomfortable. I am 6'2". I just pull my foot back towards the seat with left leg bent. Move the seat back a little and tilt the front up to support my legs.
i can tell you from experience that everyone is different. I bought the 16 Tacoma last December and traded in my 15 Tundra crew 4x4. After 1 moth my neck and lower back and leg was killing me. I loved that truck otherwise and want another still but I am in my truck 700 miles a week and it hurt. I now wonder if id of stuck with it that maybe I would of gotten used to it. Seat was comfortable not hard but the position you sit and no up or down or tilt adjustments it didn't work. sold it end of January. May others have no issues and love them and run for hours in them a day and travel hundreds of miles on trips. I ended up now with a 16 Colorado diesel z71 and have had it now for 8 months and 22400 miles on it already. Seats are little hard still but I added Katskin leather and that helped and I am pretty good now in it. I test drove the new Ridgle a few times and ordered one last Saturday and should be in in late Feb. It was real comfortable to me but that was just test drive so hope it wont be issue. I did have issues in my 09 but lived with it for 5 years 155k miles but it was seat position how I sit in it mostly. Seams this rtl sits good from test but from experience like the 16 Tacoma it might just be how your body position is and it don't work. Like I said I still like the Tacoma looks and stuff but I hurt me. Hopeully you can find right seat position and that fixes it because this rtl is the best riding of all the midsized.
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I found a thread on here where G1 owners are calling their dead pedal the "plastic tower of pain." Fortunately for them, the PoS piece of plastic is removable in the G1.
Count me in this group. G1 very uncomfortable for me on long drives when the dead pedal was still there. And seeing the G2's setup, I knew it wouldn't work for me.

I like and understand the dead pedal concept, but the execution is often poor.

Good luck on your ergonomic expedition.

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Hey there Erikras just curious if your back pain has got any better? My ridgeline RTL-E is now two weeks old, I have never had lower back pain like this before. I was driving a 2013 Acura RDX and NEVER had any back pain at all. Not sure how much longer I can put up with this. LOVE the truck but sadly don't enjoy driving it with this pain. Any suggestions would be welcomed.
Thanks
I didn't buy an Odyssey because of the terrible dead pedal. The Ridgeline's isn't quite as bad but it's not good for taller folks like me because it's too intrusive and there's no other place to put your foot. I still haven't decided if I can live with it or not. Probably, since we almost always take our van on long trips.

As a few people have mentioned it's really subjective because everybody's body is different. It's kind of like reading shoe reviews on Amazon, it doesn't do you a bit of good because their feet aren't yours.

I do have to say though, if you continue to have back issues before you even think about going to a chiropractor do a little research on the profession. There's a reason they don't go to real medical schools.
Could it be the lumbar support adjustment?

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You guys with the severe back pain need to sell your trucks and move on to something that fits.
You won't have any problem unloading the TOTY, one that has been lauded over and over for its comfortable interior, one that is selling like crazy.
Heck, you may even make a profit!
Could it be the lumbar support adjustment?

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Or could it be that 10 year old bed.
I have some lower back issues and I think that my RTS with no lumbar adjustment is lacking comfort. It's not bad but it's not good either. It's just mediocre IMO. My Wife's 2013 Civic is even worse. ZERO lumbar support! My 2013 Tacoma had fantastic seats with manual lumbar adjustments but the gas mileage was terrible and it rode really harsh, overall it was a TuRD.
I do have to say though, if you continue to have back issues before you even think about going to a chiropractor do a little research on the profession. There's a reason they don't go to real medical schools.
Word.
You can also research neck aneurysm/arterial dissection post cervical manipulation.

I periodically have lower back as do most people. The truck is great, but I have cloth seats, lumbar 50% and set the tilt/height so my hips are level with my knees. I sit quite vertical and hands at 10 and 2.

The only proven treatment for nonsurgical back pain is daily exercise. Avoiding prolonged positions that cause problems obviously help. For me its that seat adjustment (one reason the tacoma was off my list) and a thin loose feather pillow at night. I'm a stomach sleeper.
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