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C'mon, this is an urban airplane, nothing more than a Pilot with wings.
Please no VCM Honda
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Hahahahahaha! I bet it has seat mounted arm rests too. Tsk.Tsk. :act024:
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Question: Does deselecting the "Eco" mode disengage the VCM on other Hondas?
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Question: Does deselecting the "Eco" mode disengage the VCM on other Hondas? That would seem logical..........
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Let's hear from 'Eco' owners! I doubt it myself. ...too easy.
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On the Piloteers forum, most 2016 Pilot owners say that VCM v.2 is so seamless that they have difficulty detecting its engagement. There is suspicion that VCM may not engage as frequently with "Eco" off, but nobody believes that VCM is completely disabled. However, many owners don't like the engine restraint with "Eco" on and they always turn it off.
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Funny thing is, if it was that seamless from the beginning probably few would consider VCM an issue. Of course that could be a bad thing if VCM turns out to shorten engine life over the long haul.
We own a 2013 V6 Touring, which of course has VCM. Generally speaking (say 99% of the time) the only way to tell that the car has switched from 3 to 6 cylinder operational or vice versa is looking at the instant MPG gauge. If v2 RL has VCM, I am not concerned.
As a side note: 70,000 miles in, no issues on the Accord.
As a side note: 70,000 miles in, no issues on the Accord.
Those of us that are concerned with VCM for the most part are not worried about driveability so much. More concerned about long term maintenance (post warranty) and engine longevity. The Ridgeline also weighs about 1000 lbs more than an Accord so the transitions may not be as smooth. I will run my 2012 Ridgeline, like my first 2006 Ridgeline, out to about 7 or 8 years and 200,000 miles. Hope I'm wrong about VCM but I've been building engines and racing them for about 35 years. I am concerned.
I won't be buying the Honda Ridgeline if it has VCM. I had 2 Honda's with VCM and the car shakes extremely hard at 22mph and 72mph.
My neighbor and I took our Honda Crosstours - both the 2010 and 2013 with AWD and V6 down the road with the hood open - at 22mph the entire engine shakes violently.
Why would anyone buy a vehicle that is designed to destroy itself.
If Honda got smart and provided a way to 100% shutdown the VCM I may buy one - but with the current VCM - there is 100% no way I'll buy one.
My neighbor and I took our Honda Crosstours - both the 2010 and 2013 with AWD and V6 down the road with the hood open - at 22mph the entire engine shakes violently.
Why would anyone buy a vehicle that is designed to destroy itself.
If Honda got smart and provided a way to 100% shutdown the VCM I may buy one - but with the current VCM - there is 100% no way I'll buy one.
Exactly! How well are those "active" motor mounts going to be doing 10 years in @ 160K miles? My '06 is doing just fine in that department, and expect it to a stay that way. The reason they have those active mounts is because they are damping the natural vibration that comes with VCM (as it exists today). You can't tell me that a smooth running engine (w/o the vibration) is not generally "easier" on a vehicle than one with a motor that shakes enough that you have to have special mounts to counter it. I wouldn't be surprised if those mounts don't become one of those regular "do it with the timing belt" kind of things. I'm just sayin'.......
(I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but unfortunately only time will tell.... and therein lies the risk)
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This is a good point, why would a truck need VCM in the first place? A truck is meant to haul, tow, possibly offroad for outdoorsy fishing/hunting, etc. VCM would not help any of those things. If your worried about MPG then don't get a truck.
I am seriously considering not getting the G2 if its not possible to disable VCM. It has me worried about longevity of the engine.
If the truck has VCM it better disable 100% when Eco mode is off, otherwise 99% chance im getting a taco or colorado unless theres an aftermarket mod to disable it.
I am seriously considering not getting the G2 if its not possible to disable VCM. It has me worried about longevity of the engine.
If the truck has VCM it better disable 100% when Eco mode is off, otherwise 99% chance im getting a taco or colorado unless theres an aftermarket mod to disable it.
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Because a whole lot of people commute in truck. Remember when gas was $5 per gallon......some day it will return.
Witha heavy load, towing, going fast ( 80) VCM will stay off by itself.
If just cruising VCM will get maybe 7- 10% better MPG in the fleet EPA world 7-10% that is a big number.
It extremely in likely they will put a driver disable button for VCM. They may "tune" VCM to be less active in the RL vs the Pilot.
Because a whole lot of people commute in truck. Remember when gas was $5 per gallon......some day it will return.
Witha heavy load, towing, going fast ( 80) VCM will stay off by itself.
If just cruising VCM will get maybe 7- 10% better MPG in the fleet EPA world 7-10% that is a big number.
It extremely in likely they will put a driver disable button for VCM. They may "tune" VCM to be less active in the RL vs the Pilot.
Admittedly, I do not know how fleet MPG is calculated, but I doubt Ridgeline makes even a dent in Honda's fleet stats. It is a low production vehicle in a vast universe of Civics, Fits, Odysseys, and Accords. I think VCM is there primarily to up the Ridgeline numbers for marketing and marketing alone. They have some catching up to do with some other trucks to stay competitive.
I'll just go ahead and say it. From my POV, VCM is a pure gimmick, with more gimmickry to make it driveable (a.k.a. unnoticeable to the average driver). It lets a manufacturer keep the big displacement motors for towing and hauling but jury rigs the highway MPG to meet the North American market demands. Just driving around town, which is what 90% of the Ridgelines will do 90% of the time, would only require about 100 horsepower or less which you can easily get with a normally aspirated 2.0L engine. But with a truck you occasionally need some torque. In my opinion they should offer a real no-gimmick engine for those that want it or need it and let everyone else love on their VCM. My $0.02
I'd rather pay more in fuel costs than ever use VCM again. It's why I traded my last Honda. Just my .01.
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Keep in mind, most improvements in mpg come with a cost. You might say VCM is a 'demo' to prove Honda can meet specific fuel economy requirements.
The fact it may induce some driveability issues is a secondary concern for them.
The fact it may induce some driveability issues is a secondary concern for them.
to meet CAFE requirements
You are missing physics 101, Newton actually. A body in motion will tend to stay in motion.
Once you get a mass accelerated, it is much easier to keep it moving than to get it started. Driving down the interstate at 70 mph does not take as much HP as getting that vehicle up to that speed. Accelerating the mass from rest is hard. Keeping it going is easier so dropping three cylinders at cruising speed will save fuel. As soon as you accelerate to pass the VCM goes away, as it did from start to cruise speed. Hope that helps.
In all likelihood the VCM would not initiate while towing anything over a couple thousand pounds except possibly downhill on a low grade. I don't know the logic, but it would be a good assumption that the VCM would only operate above certain speeds (highway) and at low load factor (top gear engaged for a period of time). They may have other logic built in as well. I am just unfamiliar with it. And I don't intend to become familiar with it.
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