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POLL: Have you found water under the carpet in your 2017+ Ridgeline?

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This is my first posting but have been lurking for a couple of years. I had a 2008 RTX that I traded in for a 2021 Ridgeline Sport back in March. After reading a post on the water intrusion problem I decided to check mine by pulling up the sill plate and checking under the carpeting and found the foam under the carpet soaked on the rear seat on the passenger side. I have it at the dealer at the present time and they’ve ordered new carpeting and removing the rear seats, etc., to try and locate the leak. They claim that they have not seen this problem before on the 2021 Ridgelines and I believe that the reason is because owners don’t realize it’s leaking because you can’t tell by just feeling the top of the carpet, you have to check underneath. I love this truck and it’s my second Ridgeline and feel the dealer will make this right but want to get the word out to other owners of 2021 Ridgelines that aren’t aware of this problem . Hopefully Honda will be made aware of this issue and correct it. My build date by the way is 2/21. Good luck, it’s still a great truck in spite of certain build problems.
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Currently have my rear seat removed and the carpet folded back to expose the bare floor across that entire seat frame riser. Then water tested only the unsealed forward seam with the hose pointed only at the seam. Bingo, it leaks. Then repeated the hose in the bed and let gravity work to drain out the forward drains. Holy cow what a flood inside. This time on both sides of the cab, entering the cab entirely from the drain slots along the bottom of the seat frame riser, and it was all I could do to catch the water with a bath towel at the rate it was infiltrating. I'm also gaining a sense that Honda knows all about this leakage because they placed a foam blocker seal about 3" inside the ends of that seat riser. That blocker diverts any water into the carpet foam and keeps it from flowing out the ends of the riser toward the door sills.

I'm going to let my truck dry out while trying to figure out how to gain access to that seam without dropping the fuel tank. Thinking maybe working through the fuel pump access panel, but that's working blind and not much room to work.

After getting this deep into the problem, I'm convinced there are 2 types of Ridgelines... The ones that are known to leak, and the ones where it hasn't been noticed yet. This is a shame.
I had my left rear fender liner out today. The factory application of seam sealer is very sloppy. I wondered about that forward seam that you have outlined. Can that forward seam be sealed from the cab side?
Not the unsealed seam that's leaking on mine. My fender liner is already out, it's much further forward. The dealer is taking about the seam at the top of the photo. Look way in the back of the photo inside the yellow box. That's forward of the fuel tank.
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I also believe you are on the right track, because I noticed that the water all ended up there when I did the same test and looked it. What is really frustrating is that the flat area just above that seam is sloped to channel all of the water right at that seam.

The fact that Honda installed foam there to keep it contained to the carpet is really suspect that they KNEW it was a problem and yet they let it go... Perhaps this will end in a suit like all of the other class actions that they have had to be dragged for the mud through for fundamental design problems, like with the old 4AT, early 5AT and VCM issues, which would be really unfortunate.

A couple of thoughts on this from a fix standpoint. I agree you can probably seal it and be find. In theory, moisture, grime, salt, etc would start outside the vehicle anyway, so if it is sealed and you keep it out then no problem. My concern is that would it really be possible to achieve a 100% seal so that when exposed to all the water flowing out of the bed and down the back of the cab, there would be no issue? I know that they make what is basically an expanding polyurethane foam (I'll have to see if I can track down the name again) that OEMs used to use to reduce sound resonance and increase chassis stiffness. At one point, even Acura was a customer. That might be an effective way to seal it, because it should be element proof and it expands into the cavity, so it should seal.

P.S. The seam sealer on these is embarrassingly bad. It looks like it was applied by a 5 year old.
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Also, on my 17" that doesn't show a leaking problem, could it possibly have helped that I used that sticky based fluid film, which could have flowed into those exposed seams, allowing it to block this water leakage as mentioned ?
Good chance Fluid Film could be enough to stop or at least minimize infiltration based on what I see.

I had my left rear fender liner out today. The factory application of seam sealer is very sloppy. I wondered about that forward seam that you have outlined. Can that forward seam be sealed from the cab side?
From inside the cab is what I'm hoping for. Remove the rear seat and pull back the carpet. Underneath is an access panel to the top of the fuel pump (that's the aluminum oval to the right in those photos). That's how the dealer gained access if your truck was recalled to install a plastic cover over the top of the fuel pump. However, the hole is only about 6" X 8" so only big enough to reach an arm inside so limited to working by blind by feel.
I'm trying to find the pics when billmanmotion pulled his bed to get to the harness. It would give some perspective to these pics. One thing though is I don't see any rust in those compartments along the seams which is encouraging but the fix is like painting with a blindfold on. Hopefully this sudden rash of dealers seeing leaks will get a response from Honda. Hope Honda doesn't say it's "normal."
How could Honda say leaking water into the cab area is normal ? Unless they have known all along that all Pilots and Ridgelines leak ? Admitting that would be a bad idea. Especially for the lawsuit guys. That would say class action faster than lightning.
I'm trying to find the pics when billmanmotion pulled his bed to get to the harness. It would give some perspective to these pics. One thing though is I don't see any rust in those compartments along the seams which is encouraging but the fix is like painting with a blindfold on. Hopefully this sudden rash of dealers seeing leaks will get a response from Honda. Hope Honda doesn't say it's "normal."
Those were some great pics, but I can't find them, either. It's possible they are gone for good... see posts #295 - #303 here:


The forum's thread merge at the time may have destroyed them.
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Those were some great pics, but I can't find them, either. It's possible they are gone for good... see posts #295 - #303 here:


The forum's thread merge at the time may have destroyed them.
Go to billmanmotion’s profile and click on media. All the pictures are there.
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Here are some links to the foam I was referring to:

Foam Seal

This is a pretty professional grade foam, but will definitely fill the cavities...

Link to Grassroots/Sport Compact Car article

Here is an article that is basically a reprint of the Sport Compact Car article where they used it. Some definite cautionary notes, but the good news is that it is a permanent fix. Might be one way to go. This would also be a good option if Honda can't or won't fix it, and someone wants to ensure a permanent fix themselves.

I have the original article in digital copy, but don't have any way to post it.

*some claims that it contributed to rusting...
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Today was able to lift the rear of the truck with a floor jack enough to get a better look underneath. This time captured photos of the unsealed seam line taken from the passenger side above the fuel tank. The photo of shorter perspective which is showing some corrosion forming is toward the outside of the cab. The other is across the top of the fuel tank looking toward the center of the truck (fuel pump access plate is visible to upper left of the yellow box).

One of the more disturbing observations is points along that seam line were still damp almost 24 hours after water testing and being parked inside a dry garage. That would indicate the individual pockets are likely trapping water. Another is the bath towel I stretched across the inside of the cab floor was damp, meaning the seam was weeping after I was done messing with the truck for the day and parked it inside the garage. That's not good at all if you live anywhere north enough for a freeze-thaw cycle.

Can easily see two outcomes for each of those pockets:
1). they individually leak into the cab.
2). They will trap moisture, which will freeze, which will expand, and open the joint enough to leak into the cab at some unknown point in the future.
Also notice the edge corrosion forming, it's another sign of trapped moisture.

Conclusions:
1). It's very possible to a have perfectly dry no-leak truck leaving the factory, which begins to leak a year, or 2, or longer into the future following some dampness and a few freeze-thaw cycles.
2). They need dried out, then sealed/filled such that can no longer take on any moisture.

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How about a strip of self adhesive foam weather stripping just just aft of that seam and it is reversible. Foam strip could act as a dam. I suspect that open seam might be to allow a flooded cabin floor to drain during an adverse event?
Rogers has been talking about putting a plastic strip on the top seam that directly takes the drain water from the bed. Without it the water builds up at point 1, then slides down the cab bottom to slot 2. With the strip (black box) the water should fall off that edge harmlessly below...

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Also found today that I can likely reach across overtop the fuel tank from the passenger's side to put sealers into the seam pockets. Lifting the truck a few more inches for better clearance or chasing down a set of ramps would likely help. I can also now reach the spot on the driver's side easier with the truck slightly elevated. Some of this will still be by feel but think it's possible without dropping the fuel tank, just letting it dry out first. Crazy thought is duct tape might be the fix.
Also found today that I can likely reach across overtop the fuel tank from the passenger's side to put sealers into the seam pockets. Lifting the truck a few more inches for better clearance or chasing down a set of ramps would likely help. I can also now reach the spot on the driver's side easier with the truck slightly elevated. Some of this will still be by feel but think it's possible without dropping the fuel tank, just letting it dry out first. Crazy thought is duct tape might be the fix.
I was wondering about just running some hot wax through a tube and letting it drip into the seam, filling all of the voids as it cools. However, if there is continual shifting stress on the seams, the wax may not make a tight seal.

Rogers has been talking about putting a plastic strip on the top seam that directly takes the drain water from the bed. Without it the water builds up at point 1, then slides down the cab bottom to slot 2. With the strip (black box) the water should fall off that edge harmlessly below...

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It seems one could theoretically place a vertical strip anywhere between 1 and 2 and re-direct the water.
It seems one could theoretically place a vertical strip anywhere between 1 and 2 and re-direct the water.
Had Honda been even messier with the seam sealant and let it flow over the edge they might have solved this for us :ROFLMAO:
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Purchased an inexpensive roll of flashing tape at the home center. It's weatherproof plastic, has super sticky butyl adhesive and rated to adhere to -20F. It's designed for installing household windows but likely good for these seams. Still have a caulk gun tube full of acrylic elastomeric sealant that will squeeze into the voids on the unsealed seam, followed by taping over the seam. Should also be enough extra tape to wrap over the questionable factory sealant on the main seam and up the vertical panel slightly to create a flashing effect.
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I used Flex Paste to fill in seam sealer defects that I could see. .FP seems to be a very good product, At the location where RogersRTS has a black strip 2 images up is where I placed a self adhering rubber window weather strip from Ace Hardware. I think this should work well as a drip edge I was able to place it without removing anything, but I think this task requires skinny arms. It's a tight space.
I'd caution against these self-repairs for in-warranty vehicles or as a preventive measure. It may be possible to make things worse if you seal up something that's not supposed to be sealed. If the repair isn't successful and the dealer or Honda sees a bunch of sealer smeared everywhere, they might deny the claim.
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I've said my piece previously but Fluid Film would work for this IMO. It's thick enough and stays in place well and would easily flow into that slotted area. IMO this could be the reason my truck is dry. Along with the bed cover on it keeping the water at bay. When I'm home this weekend I'm going to take a look under there and see what my seam looks like with the stuff on it. Might even give it another spray to seal it up better. I have the gun and product in a gallon can along with spray cans like they sell at Lowe's and Home Depot.
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I'd caution against these self-repairs for in-warranty vehicles or as a preventive measure. It may be possible to make things worse if you seal up something that's not supposed to be sealed. If the repair isn't successful and the dealer or Honda sees a bunch of sealer smeared everywhere, they might deny the claim.
Everyone..... This is very important.

My own case is unique because the truck is 4.5 years old now and out of warranty. Late last week Honda corporate called me back to politely reject my previous request for Honda to fix their manufacturing/design defect on my truck and was referred to my selling dealer for what would become a "goodwill" cost-sharing arrangement (along with signing them a blank check). That's also assuming they can figure out the leaky Ridgeline ahead of mine that's still under warranty (was returned several times over 4 weeks and now has a massive labor bill which Honda won't reimburse them).

So as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to loose personally and totally liberated from having to accept a huge bill for ineffective repair for a situation that their design engineers come across as totally clueless as to why this is happening. Needless to say this is likely my last new Honda product given the corporate arrogance and how I was treated.
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