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Saw the Black Edition, rear door opening a buzz kill

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Stealer called. They got 4 in, but only one was prepped. Black edition on showroom floor. Took my measuring tape with me. Part of the reason for me to get another Ridgeline was the rear cab for my Malinois. She goes with me everywhere and I only transport in a crate for safety.

The rear door openings are small. Part of the reason is the in door arm rests. Coupled with the doors not opening that wide to begin with, that arm rest kills loading opportunities. I mean the rear cab has a very slim opening via the doors. I have a Leaf for my DD and I measured the rear doors on it. The Leaf has more ingress/egress room through the rear doors than the new RL. So I don't know what you could load in the backseat of the new Ridgeline, a flatscreen box I guess. I'm highly doubting my crate will fit. Maybe up high, even with the glass then angling down as I lower it into the truck. I didn't feel like bringing my crate into the showroom with me as it would be a scene. Will have to wait for them to have one to drive and check then. If it will be either impossible or very difficult for me load a crate in the back of the truck so families aren't going like loading a baby seat in the back of the thing. It will be very narrow/tight, and be a big chore unless you leave them in there most of the time.

I also put the seats up and there is a rear step at the back of the floor at the very end of the cab, it ain't flat. It's like an angle, which will further make it difficult to carry anything large in the rear seat area. Even if my crate could get through the door, which I highly doubt based on my measuring tape, I don't know if it would even sit flat. Would be at an angle and I'd have to move the drivers or passenger seat up a good amount. Kind of bummed all around. Tri-zone climate is ideal for a working dog such as mine. I can keep my animal frosty without freezing my balls off.

This rear seat ingress might have killed the truck for me, :(
I ain't hating though, rest of the truck is awesome. The interior is outstanding, exterior really outstanding. It has a real nice presence and I think they nailed the look. Looks great in person. Truck is nice and compact yet very roomy from the drivers seat. I was expecting it be bigger and I was pleasantly surprised. The drivers/passenger armrests are great. You can move and lock it into place to get that perfect height whatever size you are. Controls are all well thought out. The rear sliding glass is quite small, seems smaller than the gen 1.
Rear trunk is definitely smaller and no way in hell you will be able to fit even a full size rim in the trunk, never mind a full size tire, that's out. That doughnut spare is jammed in there as is and there is no additional room for anything but that doughnut.

In summary, exterior and interior way better in person than photographs. If you want a Black edition, boy is it nice. It's like a damn luxury truck on the interior, and looks aggressive from the exterior, at least more aggressive than photos let on. Driver/passenger seats are awesome, whole front cab, awesome. Controls are awesome stereo awesome. The rear cab sucks though, maybe it took the hit for that extra length in the bed. Probably a deal breaker for me but I will drive it anyway and maybe I'll be wrong and can get my crate back there. I hope so because I could live with the spare tire situation and man that is a real nice truck. Seating position and everything from the drivers seat is spectacular.
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The rear sliding glass is quite small, seems smaller than the gen 1.
I drove an RTL-E today and commented that I thought the rear slider looked bigger than my '12 RTL. Funny how perceptions differ. Hope the crate issue works out for you!
In my case the extra bed length would be better than the extra rear door opening. Different requirements, I guess.
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If it will be either impossible or very difficult for me load a crate in the back of the truck so families aren't going like loading a baby seat in the back of the thing. It will be very narrow/tight, and be a big chore unless you leave them in there most of the time.
Sounds like when I'm ready to buy I need to bring the baby seats with me to verify this. If anyone else with young children buys one this would be great to see.
I checked out the ridgeline today. That rear door feels like it only opens half way. I dont have kids, but trying to get a car seat in will require skill. Front seat is comfy, dash is best in class. Rear seats are theater seating, very high for my taste and upright. You put the people you hate in the back seat on long drives. Lol. But every mid size truck out there has crappy accomodations for rear passengers.
Sounds like when I'm ready to buy I need to bring the baby seats with me to verify this. If anyone else with young children buys one this would be great to see.
This is actually one of the reasons that I am looking at the RL. I have a 4yr old in a booster seat and a 9 month old in a rear facing seat, but if you look at this video at about 7:48, it seems Like getting a child in and out shouldn't be a problem, in fact it looks almost ideal for that purpose, but I can totally see where getting even a modest size dog crate in and out might be quite the chore.
I use a medium crate for travel/around town, large and XL's at home. So just trying to fit a medium crate in the truck, not a large or anything.

Go look at your video again, and keep an eye on that arm rest. Go to 7:51 and freeze/pause it. Look at how narrow the opening is due to the arm rest, I mean that is awfully narrow. Also at 7:51, notice how Mr. Honda marketing guy, look at his hands, that's about where your hands are going to be loading anything. And his arms/hands are almost dead even to that arm rest that's in the way.

Now think of a baby seat. Not gonna be "easy". If you raise a child seat above the arm rest perpendicular with the rear seat glass and move the seat in from above and down as it enters the truck you might be in business, but do you want to deal with that for forty thousand dollars?

Hey I like the truck, very much. They executed most things very well but not this. I also got into the drivers seat, and moved it all the way back, basically set it up for where I'd drive it, and that back seat gets real tight. Again I hope I'm wrong about this. If it doesn't work for me I'm not gonna jump in every thread complaining like others have done on here about many things. For my needs that back seat ingress/egress isn't good at all. Even if I didn't train working dogs, or even had a dog, the rear doors really suck. They will be fine for kids that do not require a child seat but an adult, you'll be crammed in if the driver is 6' and you are sitting behind.

Again, hope I'm wrong. You make your own conclusions when you get up close in person and start kicking tires. It really is a nice looking truck. Hope to drive it soon.
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Tommy,

I'm going down to look at the new Ridgeline at a local dealer tomorrow morning. I have a 60 lb German Shepherd Dog that currently rides in the back cab of my RTL in her large crate on the floor. I'm able to get her crate in now by taking it apart and putting in the bottom and then the top together with five crate "snaps' so I'm hoping that I'll be able to do the same with the new Ridge. If not, it'll probably be a dealer breaker for me too. I'll have crate in my Ridgeline but I'm not sure if they'll let me try it in a brand new truck. All I need to do it try one half. If I can get the bottom in with some room to manuever the locking snaps, the crate will fit. I'm bringing a measuring tape for the door in case they won't let me try. I am fortunate in that I'm only 5'2" so seats forward for me. The middle console and back doors are the main obstacles.

I also have an A.R.E. cap on my truck now so I'm curious how the new truck design will affect a cap. Although the cab/bed no longer has the curve design, the bed is still attached to the cap without the ability for rain water to flow straight down to the ground. I am hoping that A.R.E. or LEER can design a cap that allows outside air flow over the cab into the cap for cooler days when my dog could be in the truck bed in her crate, and deal with the rain water. I don't see a way around the unibody design though and having a cap screwed down to the cab doesn't allow optimum air flow through a cap even with all windows and the sunroof open... or a combination of any of the windows/sunroof. I've tried them all with a balloon hanging in the back of the cap.... thus dog crate tied in on back seat floor with a 2x4 to keep the crate level.
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Go look at your video again, and keep an eye on that arm rest. Go to 7:51 and freeze/pause it. Look at how narrow the opening is due to the arm rest, I mean that is awfully narrow. Also at 7:51, notice how Mr. Honda marketing guy, look at his hands, that's about where your hands are going to be loading anything. And his arms/hands are almost dead even to that arm rest that's in the way.

Now think of a baby seat. Not gonna be "easy". If you raise a child seat above the arm rest perpendicular with the rear seat glass and move the seat in from above and down as it enters the truck you might be in business, but do you want to deal with that for forty thousand dollars?
You can actually see the Goliath armrest really well @ 8:17, and that's why I remarked that getting even a modest crate through there might be a pain. But my daughter will only be in the carrier style seat for a couple more months and my vehicle will only be the backup child-mover, so that won't be much of an issue.

I still have a few other concerns though, among them the shallow bed, the non-locking tailgate, and the cost. But when I compare the issues that I have with the RL to those that I have with the Canyon including the transmission problems and generally poorer build quality, or the problems that I have with the Tacoma, particularly the seating position and ride quality, I am still holding out hope that the RL requires the least compromise.
Tommy,

I'm going down to look at the new Ridgeline at a local dealer tomorrow morning. I have a 60 lb German Shepherd Dog that currently rides in the back cab of my RTL in her large crate on the floor. I'm able to get her crate in now by taking it apart and putting in the bottom and then the top together with five crate "snaps' so I'm hoping that I'll be able to do the same with the new Ridge. If not, it'll probably be a dealer breaker for me too. I'll have crate in my Ridgeline but I'm not sure if they'll let me try it in a brand new truck. All I need to do it try one half. If I can get the bottom in with some room to manuever the locking snaps, the crate will fit. I'm bringing a measuring tape for the door in case they won't let me try. I am fortunate in that I'm only 5'2" so seats forward for me. The middle console and back doors are the main obstacles.

I also have an A.R.E. cap on my truck now so I'm curious how the new truck design will affect a cap. Although the cab/bed no longer has the curve design, the bed is still attached to the cap without the ability for rain water to flow straight down to the ground. I am hoping that A.R.E. or LEER can design a cap that allows outside air flow over the cab into the cap for cooler days when my dog could be in the truck bed in her crate, and deal with the rain water. I don't see a way around the unibody design though and having a cap screwed down to the cab doesn't allow optimum air flow through a cap even with all windows and the sunroof open... or a combination of any of the windows/sunroof. I've tried them all with a balloon hanging in the back of the cap.... thus dog crate tied in on back seat floor with a 2x4 to keep the crate level.
Well I hadn't thought of taking my crate apart because I keep it resting on one of my ceiling storage units in the garage. I can quickly and easily load it in my hatchback DD and remove it. That is a thought to take it apart but I don't like that. I want to be able to throw it in there and remove it easily so I can use the back seat for humans. I am anxious to hear your thoughts tomorrow morning. I'll check in before I fire up the motorbike for a days riding.

I had to put my working line GSD down due to leukemia in late April and recently rescued a pure bred Malinois so crate fitting is a requirement and show stopper for me. Man from the driver's seat this new RL is outstanding. I'll be bummed if I can't make it work somehow.
I have a platform built for my back seat for my dogs, I can put three 34 gallon garbage cans on that platform through the doors. It sounds like gen 2 rl is a lot smaller. I like the big doors and wide opening of my rl.
I'm sorry about your shepherd. I lost my first to DM in June 2014 and had to make the heart breaking decision to let her go. It still hurts. I'm glad they test for it now. Belgians are great dogs!

I don't like taking the crate apart either to get it in there, but it is rare that I use the back seat. Dog first dibs. Besides, it takes all of less than five minutes so it's worth the hassle to drive the Ridgeline. It's also the only midsize truck that I've seen so far that fits two large dog crates side by side perpendicular to the back window in the truck bed. The Taco can't do it because of the wheel wells. Large crates have to go parallel to the cab in the Taco so one dog is stuck until you spin the crate against the tailgate and offload the other dog. Not safe in emergencies and I don't like the crate so close to the back tailgate.

My appointment isn't until 10 am so enjoy your ride. They shouldn't hold me captive, but you never know. I'll report if they allow me to try the crate... or not.
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This is actually one of the reasons that I am looking at the RL. I have a 4yr old in a booster seat and a 9 month old in a rear facing seat, but if you look at this video at about 7:48, it seems Like getting a child in and out shouldn't be a problem, in fact it looks almost ideal for that purpose, but I can totally see where getting even a modest size dog crate in and out might be quite the chore.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EXmZeeHKp74
The door doesnt look like an issue for our car seat

https://youtu.be/bBZPv9kwIHs?t=4m57s

and this
https://www.facebook.com/272002519708/photos/pcb.10154236859864709/10154236859554709/?type=3&theater

and finally https://www.facebook.com/LanaHutchFlow/videos/10204875942937806/
The third link definitely makes it look like it won't be an issue for even carriers, but equally interesting is the second link which refers to it as C&D midsize truck of the year, which is probably going to be true, since it is the only 2017 midsize truck refresh that I know of, but was the 2017 truck of the year decided and announced in a couple of days at a press event in the first half of 2016?
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I still have a few other concerns though, among them the shallow bed, the non-locking tailgate, and the cost.....
I had a chance to climb all over three RLs yesterday (see my comments in the Tow Capacity thread). I did notice the issue with the rear doors, which I think are fine for humans but definitely problematic for large objects.

As for the depth of the bed, if it is less than a standard pick-up it is not tremendously so. I didn't even notice it being shallower. My overall impression of the bed is that it is large enough to be very useful. (One minor complaint is that the tie-downs seemed unnecessarily massive and a bit obtrusive in the bed.)
The third link definitely makes it look like it won't be an issue for even carriers, but equally interesting is the second link which refers to it as C&D midsize truck of the year, which is probably going to be true, since it is the only 2017 midsize truck refresh that I know of, but was the 2017 truck of the year decided and announced in a couple of days at a press event in the first half of 2016?
Unless they give it to the Tacoma trd pro
... But when I compare the issues that I have with the RL to those that I have with the Canyon including the transmission problems and generally poorer build quality,....

can you give us more on the canyon problems? i think that's where a lot of us are leaning if we have to jump ship
Thanks, Tommy. That is just the kind of info we need. Most will just purchase the vehicle only to learn later that it has a fault which they did not notice at the time, i.e. (no cup holders in the second row of the Hyundai Santa Fe, 2014), but will be irritating for the entire time of ownership. Better to know about something going in.
rear door opening

Tommy D,

I'm sorry about your dog; lost mine a year ago Christmas.

Sounds like this access aspect is simply a compromise.
Wish it were otherwise.

Good luck with your Malinois and driving no matter what you
choose.

mike
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Unless they give it to the Tacoma trd pro
Isn't the Canyon Denali coming out next year as well? I would hope that the judges would value actual innovation over adding extra suspension travel, cooled seats, or other high end components to an existing vehicle, but who knows.
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