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So after many years of owning an RL, a couple of G1's and now a G2. I decided that I needed a different truck with more capabilities. I'm not going to sit here and bash the G2. To be honest, I wish that Honda would have kept the original formula of the G1 and updated the truck with all the G2 technology and features. I will sorely miss a lot of the things that made the G1 and G2 great, especially the trunk and the dual action tailgate. However I miss all the great features of the original G1 interior, the Pilot cabin is just not truck suited. I agree with the assessment that the magazines and what most of us have said, its all the truck most people will need and all the truck a person needs that does not want a truck.

So why did I change, in the near future I want to purchase a Travel Trailer, while looking at them that darn 5000 lbs towing limit kept coming up and bringing me down to what I could do or get. The next thing I have noticed is all the transmission failures that people are having while towing. If you don't tow or just have a light trailer or a trailer with a low profile or boat I think the RL is just perfect for most. After Honda put that TSB out for the transmission I saw the writing on the wall. Not only that, if you are not changing the fluid at least every other oil change you are looking for a world of hurt, especially if you are towing. I also had way too many issues with the RL, those folks in Alabama either don't put them together too well or I think the real culprit is that Honda has really cut back on the quality of parts. My previous 2013 Accord that was assembled in Ohio and more importantly was a car designed for world wide use was a better product from the get go.

So, this message is not about looking for attention, Im sharing this, that as a loyal Honda owner of over 30 years and various models, I had to finally admit that the Honda tool that I had was ill suited for the next job. I waited until I heard what was coming for 2020, I don't hold much faith on the move to the 9 Spd. It has had such a troubled history, even thought they have said its been sorted out, time will tell.

For those that want to know, I ended up buying a 2019 Ram 1500 Big Horn (new body) with the 5.7 Hemi. Its a mixed bag of a truck. It has a lot of the safety features, front parking sensor, rear parking sensors, blind spot monitoring, cross path monitoring with stop action, got the factory LED headlights front and back and a whole lot more. Its a mixed bag, but it has more of what I like but it still does not have a few things that I had on the G2 and will miss but I can live without.

Quality wise and longevity wise I think the new trucks will be comparable to what Honda has been putting out lately. I can tell you right off the bat that the build quality of the Ram is a whole lot better than that what I had seen on the G2. So time will tell, I miss the ease of parking, will miss the better MPG during non towing time and the versatility. But all those things could not overcome the real mechanical shortcomings I was looking at the G2. The ironic part is that Ram had a stupid deal this past month. I essentially pay for this new truck $23 more a month than I was paying with the G2, no down payment, same length loan terms. I got a $49,900 truck down to $35k. Today the same truck is $10k more expensive.

I will continue to frequent this site often, I like the group here. If I can contribute to the discussion I will, or better yet just continue to learn from the great discussions here. I will have a few things posted up on the Trading post for a couple of things I kept that would not have gained me any value but someone here can have at a great deal, so keep an eye out for that.
 

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Best wishes, your G1 and G2 knowledge will be valuable here so hope you make a cameo appearance once in awhile.
 

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Keep us posted on that new Ram. Would like to hear how it compares to the G2 in overall driveability and comfort, especially for longer trips.
 

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My 60 year old baby brother got a Ram with a big diesel to pull his 30 plus ft. “Camper” he is very happy with it.

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At least you used better judgement and bough a vehicle that suited your needs; many here cant seem to bring themselves to do.

Best wishes on your new chapter in life with a new vehicle, possibly new trailer and new adventures.

@Jorg: that is no camper, that is a small house lol :)
 

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The latest Ram pickups are the best yet. I think they are comfortable and finally look non-dorky enough for me to consider one if I needed more capability. I still wouldn't want to own one outside the warranty period, though. Their size, power, and sound are certainly confidence-inspiring.

I, too, look forward to hearing about your experiences with it over time. The safety ratings for 2019 are much improved. Unfortunately, none of the four available headlight designs are any good.
 

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Smart move IMO to get a tool properly rated for the towing job you plan to undertake, kudos for that prudence. (y)

Happy trailering! :)
 

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I went from a 17 Ram to a 17 RL then back to a 18 Ram now now to the new PP.
People have to understand that the RL was never marketed for "real truck" duties and are sadly disappointed upon buying one and realizing it cant tow heavy trailers,it's a truck/suv for the suburban man. For me it was lack of interior space that made me unload mine ( I have young kids in seats)

What I can tell you after owning 3 Ram's (1 F150 and 2 Sierra's), get ready to become good friends with your service advisor, and have fun arguing with them too! Oh and if your someone like me who trades often good luck on your resale, no joke! Ask yourself how there able to give you 20k off the price of a truck? When I traded my 18 Ram for the 17 RL I basically swapped keys and walked away not so was the case when I got rid of my 18 Ram for the PP!

I personally am done with any of the "big 3" products. If I decide to go back to a full-size truck which I probably will at some point, it will be a Tundra. Get what you pay for.
 

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I went from a 17 Ram to a 17 RL then back to a 18 Ram now now to the new PP.
People have to understand that the RL was never marketed for "real truck" duties and are sadly disappointed upon buying one and realizing it cant tow heavy trailers,it's a truck/suv for the suburban man. For me it was lack of interior space that made me unload mine ( I have young kids in seats)

What I can tell you after owning 3 Ram's (1 F150 and 2 Sierra's), get ready to become good friends with your service advisor, and have fun arguing with them too! Oh and if your someone like me who trades often good luck on your resale, no joke! As yourself how there able to give you 20k off the price of a truck? When I traded my 18 Ram for the 17 RL I basically swapped keys and walked away not so was the case when I got rid of my 18 Ram for the PP!

I personally am done with any of the "big 3" products. If I decide to go back to a full-size truck which I probably will at some point, it will be a Tundra. Get what you pay for.
I considered the point you bring up about resale value, I'm hoping this will be good for 3 to 4 years of ownership. I bought it cheap enough and more importantly with no out of pocket cash. This was a sign and drive deal, so if at trade time I walk out even, then it served its purpose as a tool for the job at hand this is not a truck I expect to build equity on. Even the G2 did not give me the return on investment I expected, I bought it stupid cheap, like net net cost… invoice, minus the holdback, no dealer fees and the lowest buy rate on the loan for a 72 month loan. I only put down $5k on the truck only because I wanted a particular payment. Only got back "on paper" about $3K of it.

As for reliability, I stayed away from the major stuff that will bring headaches. That 12 inch center stack is a nightmare. Everything else on the truck is proven technology or hardware. My better half works at a Ram dealer in the service department, spoke to the lead Forman (who drives the new '19 2500 in the Bighorn trim) and he said the truck is solid, stick to the Tradesman or Bighorn and you will be ok. Service director also owns a 19 1500, spoke with him and he said I did well to stick with the Bighorn trim. The major recalls are pretty much done with, to be honest I rather deal with a recall than the silent TSB's that Honda is always issuing. I had to fight tooth and nail for the tranny TSB, over 3 months for a squeaky seat frame, one bad driver window regulator and pretty soon another was coming.

Wiil the truck have issues, I'm sure… but the G2 I had had its fair share of issues. However, this is the best part about all this. Remember that this is a manufactured machine assembled by human beings built at a price. So if you take that into perspective, set realistic expectations, keep it maintained and take care of the nagging little shit that comes up, the Ram will be just as good as the rest of the cars being built. Honda has a quiet mess with the drivetrains in the G2, the 6AT is not holding up to truck duty, the new turbo motors in the CRV, Accord, Civic and I believe the RDX too have a fuel bleed problem into the crankcase that's diluting the oil and creating an overfill problem. zroger had an RDX for not even 3 or so months and could not get out soon enough.

With all this said, I don't think at this point there is not one car or truck that does not have an issue at some point. At least I'll get VIP treatment if need work done since everyone at the shop already knows me.
 

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Some have asked about a comparison between the two, putting aside size and of course cargo and towing capability. The Ram will be just as competent as a daily driver as the G2, its actually quieter at speed. wind noise is none existent, the ride is about 90 percent of the G2. The G2 handles well and I know I will sorely miss the iVTM4 AWD. There will not be a lot of spirited driving on this Ram truck. The G2 is truly a sporty truck to drive and its fun at it. But I'm telling you that the 5.7 at full throttle is a sweet motor. I can not emphasize enough how much I will miss the in bed trunk and the dual action tailgate. It should really be in every truck. Honda has a winner there for a long time coming. As I get more miles and get more use I will report back on the good, bad and even the ugly of Ram versus a G2.

The one thing that rings true is what smufguy said, you have have to come to the realization that sometimes the vehicle that we love for all its good sometimes is not the the right vehicle. Maybe some day I'll be back to an RL but it may need to grow some… I don't think Honda will ever do that anytime soon. They are happy in their little niche, frankly so should all of you that own one, planning to own or better yet… want it for what it does best. I would own a G2 over every midsize truck in the market right now, thats how good the G2 is.
 

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Wiil the truck have issues, I'm sure… but the G2 I had had its fair share of issues. However, this is the best part about all this. Remember that this is a manufactured machine assembled by human beings built at a price. So if you take that into perspective, set realistic expectations, keep it maintained and take care of the nagging little shit that comes up, the Ram will be just as good as the rest of the cars being built. Honda has a quiet mess with the drivetrains in the G2, the 6AT is not holding up to truck duty, the new turbo motors in the CRV, Accord, Civic and I believe the RDX too have a fuel bleed problem into the crankcase that's diluting the oil and creating an overfill problem. zroger had an RDX for not even 3 or so months and could not get out soon enough.

With all this said, I don't think at this point there is not one car or truck that does not have an issue at some point. At least I'll get VIP treatment if need work done since everyone at the shop already knows me.
Totally agree with you that every make has issues these days, vehicles have become far to complex.
But as for the G2 not holding up to truck duties,I have to disagree. I have co-workers that tow some pretty heavy trailers and and some that are very outdoorsy ie: camping,dirtbiking,hunting etc etc and most of them came from full-size trucks and have had nothing but good things to say about there RL's hence the reason I had bought mine. Of all the people I know that have owned both G1 and G2's, I have never heard any negative things about them other then what I've read online and we all know everything on the internet is true :rolleyes:

As for fuel dilution issues, again to many critic/know it all engineeres on the net these days. My wife has 51,000kms (32,000miles) on her 18 CRV and it hasn't missed a beat, zero oil usage or anything! The first few may have had some issues as with the one's that are being driven very short distances but most on the road have been trouble free. Oil dilution to a certain degree is normal on all of today's small direct injected motors, just the nature of the beast and doesn't cause long term damage, this whole thing has been blown WAYYYYYY out of proportion by Honda haters or nit pickers. Too much fear mongering on this whole CRV thing by people who don't even own one, the worst are from the Korean fan boys. Drive your car, enjoy it and carry on with life. Yes the 5.7 Hemi is a sweet motor but f-me was it a guzzler! Down in the states you guy's are still enjoying somewhat cheap gas prices, some parts up here in Canada where flirting close to $5 a gallon!

GL on your RAM 👍
 

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Totally agree with you that every make has issues these days, vehicles have become far to complex.
But as for the G2 not holding up to truck duties,I have to disagree. I have co-workers that tow some pretty heavy trailers and and some that are very outdoorsy ie: camping,dirtbiking,hunting etc etc and most of them came from full-size trucks and have had nothing but good things to say about there RL's hence the reason I had bought mine. Of all the people I know that have owned both G1 and G2's, I have never heard any negative things about them other then what I've read online and we all know everything on the internet is true :rolleyes:

As for fuel dilution issues, again to many critic/know it all engineeres on the net these days. My wife has 51,000kms (32,000miles) on her 18 CRV and it hasn't missed a beat, zero oil usage or anything! The first few may have had some issues as with the one's that are being driven very short distances but most on the road have been trouble free. Oil dilution to a certain degree is normal on all of today's small direct injected motors, just the nature of the beast and doesn't cause long term damage, this whole thing has been blown WAYYYYYY out of proportion by Honda haters or nit pickers. Too much fear mongering on this whole CRV thing by people who don't even own one, the worst are from the Korean fan boys. Drive your car, enjoy it and carry on with life.

GL on your RAM 👍
Very good points, I agree with the towing part. As I said earlier, the G2 will tow most of what's out there. I just wanted a bit of headroom while towing and not be at the max capacity. If one thing that maybe has not come out clear, I traded the G2 not because I hated it or dislike it. I will miss it every day, especially the versatility of the bed, the incredible handling of the AWD. I just think that the Ram may be a better tool for my needs at this point, but the final deciding factor I'm hoping and feel confident that if it does not work out, the loss will be minimal, just the cost of the monthly payment.
 

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Best of luck with the RAM, they are very hot sellers right now. Thanks for your comments about the ride and the build quality, that says a lot right there. The RL can't do it all and when it comes to towing there are better options.
 

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So after many years of owning an RL, a couple of G1's and now a G2. I decided that I needed a different truck with more capabilities. I'm not going to sit here and bash the G2. To be honest, I wish that Honda would have kept the original formula of the G1 and updated the truck with all the G2 technology and features. I will sorely miss a lot of the things that made the G1 and G2 great, especially the trunk and the dual action tailgate. However I miss all the great features of the original G1 interior, the Pilot cabin is just not truck suited. I agree with the assessment that the magazines and what most of us have said, its all the truck most people will need and all the truck a person needs that does not want a truck.

So why did I change, in the near future I want to purchase a Travel Trailer, while looking at them that darn 5000 lbs towing limit kept coming up and bringing me down to what I could do or get. The next thing I have noticed is all the transmission failures that people are having while towing. If you don't tow or just have a light trailer or a trailer with a low profile or boat I think the RL is just perfect for most. After Honda put that TSB out for the transmission I saw the writing on the wall. Not only that, if you are not changing the fluid at least every other oil change you are looking for a world of hurt, especially if you are towing. I also had way too many issues with the RL, those folks in Alabama either don't put them together too well or I think the real culprit is that Honda has really cut back on the quality of parts. My previous 2013 Accord that was assembled in Ohio and more importantly was a car designed for world wide use was a better product from the get go.

So, this message is not about looking for attention, Im sharing this, that as a loyal Honda owner of over 30 years and various models, I had to finally admit that the Honda tool that I had was ill suited for the next job. I waited until I heard what was coming for 2020, I don't hold much faith on the move to the 9 Spd. It has had such a troubled history, even thought they have said its been sorted out, time will tell.

For those that want to know, I ended up buying a 2019 Ram 1500 Big Horn (new body) with the 5.7 Hemi. Its a mixed bag of a truck. It has a lot of the safety features, front parking sensor, rear parking sensors, blind spot monitoring, cross path monitoring with stop action, got the factory LED headlights front and back and a whole lot more. Its a mixed bag, but it has more of what I like but it still does not have a few things that I had on the G2 and will miss but I can live without.

Quality wise and longevity wise I think the new trucks will be comparable to what Honda has been putting out lately. I can tell you right off the bat that the build quality of the Ram is a whole lot better than that what I had seen on the G2. So time will tell, I miss the ease of parking, will miss the better MPG during non towing time and the versatility. But all those things could not overcome the real mechanical shortcomings I was looking at the G2. The ironic part is that Ram had a stupid deal this past month. I essentially pay for this new truck $23 more a month than I was paying with the G2, no down payment, same length loan terms. I got a $49,900 truck down to $35k. Today the same truck is $10k more expensive.

I will continue to frequent this site often, I like the group here. If I can contribute to the discussion I will, or better yet just continue to learn from the great discussions here. I will have a few things posted up on the Trading post for a couple of things I kept that would not have gained me any value but someone here can have at a great deal, so keep an eye out for that.
Thanks for the honesty,
I am in teh exact same position except bumping up to only 7500 or no more than 10,000 towing capacity is my issue. I'm leaning toward the Ford due to the economy of the new eco-engine.
 

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Yet another Ridgeline owner on the Ridgeline Facebook group traded for a Ram yesterday after experiencing transmission overheating issues with the Ridgeline while towing below capacity.

I think the newest Ram is a nice looking truck, the infotainment system is among the best in the industry, and its smooth, quiet ride is about as close are you'll get to the Ridgeline's. Potential negatives are reliability and resale value.
 

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After many years of Ford and Chevy pickups, F-150's, F-250's, 1500's and a Blazer, in the 21st century, I got a Ram. Actually, three of them. Never was a Chrysler fan, growing in the late 50's and 60's, they rotted out and starting was an issue in wet weather. But I really liked the cab of the Ram if not the styling. Roomy and real knobs on controls. First Ram brake issues. 50k miles and calipers, rotors and pads replaced. New Ram and again, brake issues. Third Ram Cummins with the six speed. Anti lock issues (twice), brakes (calipers seized), transmission at 33k miles and 37 months old and out of warranty by one month so out of luck. Brake line, master cylinder to front rusted and brakes failed. All of this in less than 60k miles. Bought a Toyota. At 90k, brakes (pads only and turned rotors), a muffler and a set of tires. No longer riding dirt bikes and always a Honda fan, 2018 RTL-E. Only thing I don't like is the touch screen nightmare. Put knobs back in the truck. Don't haul box trailer anymore so the G-2 suits just fine for the usual trip to Home Depot or the garden center. And sooooo quiet and comfortable.

Ram? Three of them and none could make 75k without putting a lot of money into them. Hope you have better luck.
 

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I did the same thing a couple years ago. I had one of the last first generations a black SE, I ended up buying it because my X5 was going out of warranty and it had already become pretty expensive. I hastedly bought a G1 around xmas time. The dealership really was not pleasant, they took me for a bit of a ride and I let them. I really needed a pick-up because I had bought a summer place that needed a lot of work. I bought it because I needed a small truck and Honda's reputation was really good and I liked my wife's CRV. But I never really liked the truck, it did what it was suppose to but I hated the technology, or rather lack of it.

Anyways, scoot ahead about 6 months. The summer place came with a camper which I really started to dig, but it was old and needed replacing. I ended up getting a 30ft camper, I think the tow weight empty was around 6800 lbs. I test drive a year old Tundra & Titan, really liked both. The Tundra was better priced and I was getting ready to make an offer, but first I wanted to see what brand new was pricing at. Amazingly they were lower after incentives. I emailed a local dealer about one and they emailed me back a price I couldn't say no to. All that was left was haggling over the Ridgeline, which at this point was about 9 months old. I got nearly what I paid in trade and my payment was slightly less for a truck with so much more. One of the things that really rubbed me wrong at the dealership is the APR, I have an 800+ credit score and Honda still got me with 4.9%, whereas Toyota was either 1.9% or 0.9%, can't remember as it's been paid off for some time.

Even without the trailer, the Tundra is a way better fit for me. Yeah it drives like a pickup, but for Houston roads, a truck frame is much better than a car frame. Every car I have owned has needed major front end work after a couple years, I don't think the Tundra will, it's built like a tank on the front wend which at times doesn't make for a smooth ride. Toyota is literally years ahead on technology, one of the things I learned to really hate about the Ridgeline was the dealer told me I could play music using Bluetooth, that was a bold face lie and a deal-breaker. Unfortunately for me I figured that out after the purchase.

My X5 had all wheel drive so I though that was something I couldn't give up. It was a big selling point for me at the time and when I had price compared, I only looked for 4x4's. My Tundra is not a 4x4 and I am OK with that. But if I wasn't it's hard to argue that the Ridgeline isn't the best value and while the technology lacks, the G2 is more updated than G1. Also I like sitting up higher and there is tons more room. The camper is gone, I now have a 25 footer which I could probably tow with the Ridgeline, but after having the Toyota I would pick a Tacoma before the Ridgeline, that is how much I prefer Toyota to Honda.

I think my dislike for the Ridgeline is more a dislike of the Katy Honda dealership. I only mentioned a couple of things, there were many more. They were really my worse car buying experience and I am nearing 50 and it really does show that manufactures should pay attention to the folks selling their product as I will never again buy a Honda.

And as an added bonus to this whole story, when I took my Tundra home, my next door neighbor came over and asked why I didn't mention I was looking at Tundra as he would have goteen me a sweet deal. I mentioned that I got a sweet deal and that he told me he worked at Nissan and he said he is the service manager for Sterling McCall Toyota for a couple years, which is where I bought my truck. I need not worry about the level of service I receive so long at I buy Toyotas and he doesn't move to another brand.
 

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So after many years of owning an RL, a couple of G1's and now a G2. I decided that I needed a different truck with more capabilities. I'm not going to sit here and bash the G2. To be honest, I wish that Honda would have kept the original formula of the G1 and updated the truck with all the G2 technology and features. I will sorely miss a lot of the things that made the G1 and G2 great, especially the trunk and the dual action tailgate. However I miss all the great features of the original G1 interior, the Pilot cabin is just not truck suited. I agree with the assessment that the magazines and what most of us have said, its all the truck most people will need and all the truck a person needs that does not want a truck.

So why did I change, in the near future I want to purchase a Travel Trailer, while looking at them that darn 5000 lbs towing limit kept coming up and bringing me down to what I could do or get. The next thing I have noticed is all the transmission failures that people are having while towing. If you don't tow or just have a light trailer or a trailer with a low profile or boat I think the RL is just perfect for most. After Honda put that TSB out for the transmission I saw the writing on the wall. Not only that, if you are not changing the fluid at least every other oil change you are looking for a world of hurt, especially if you are towing. I also had way too many issues with the RL, those folks in Alabama either don't put them together too well or I think the real culprit is that Honda has really cut back on the quality of parts. My previous 2013 Accord that was assembled in Ohio and more importantly was a car designed for world wide use was a better product from the get go.

So, this message is not about looking for attention, Im sharing this, that as a loyal Honda owner of over 30 years and various models, I had to finally admit that the Honda tool that I had was ill suited for the next job. I waited until I heard what was coming for 2020, I don't hold much faith on the move to the 9 Spd. It has had such a troubled history, even thought they have said its been sorted out, time will tell.

For those that want to know, I ended up buying a 2019 Ram 1500 Big Horn (new body) with the 5.7 Hemi. Its a mixed bag of a truck. It has a lot of the safety features, front parking sensor, rear parking sensors, blind spot monitoring, cross path monitoring with stop action, got the factory LED headlights front and back and a whole lot more. Its a mixed bag, but it has more of what I like but it still does not have a few things that I had on the G2 and will miss but I can live without.

Quality wise and longevity wise I think the new trucks will be comparable to what Honda has been putting out lately. I can tell you right off the bat that the build quality of the Ram is a whole lot better than that what I had seen on the G2. So time will tell, I miss the ease of parking, will miss the better MPG during non towing time and the versatility. But all those things could not overcome the real mechanical shortcomings I was looking at the G2. The ironic part is that Ram had a stupid deal this past month. I essentially pay for this new truck $23 more a month than I was paying with the G2, no down payment, same length loan terms. I got a $49,900 truck down to $35k. Today the same truck is $10k more expensive.

I will continue to frequent this site often, I like the group here. If I can contribute to the discussion I will, or better yet just continue to learn from the great discussions here. I will have a few things posted up on the Trading post for a couple of things I kept that would not have gained me any value but someone here can have at a great deal, so keep an eye out for that.
Good luck with ur Ram--but you'll never find another truck with that good of a stereo system as the Ridgeline--ha ha ha --and the beat goes on.
 

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So let me give you guys an update after 10 days and about a 1k miles.

First and foremost Honda screwed up by not letting Gary Flint do the G2, Terry McClure really got the G2 all wrong. So far, I miss the interior rear under seat storage, of course I miss the versatility of everything in the bed… swing tailgate, trunk and bed versatility. I would have loved to have had the Honda iVTM4, knowing how good it is, I did not bother getting the inferior RAM 4x4 and associated price and gas penalty.

However, I can tell you that as the motoring press is raving about the new RAM, if you look at all the things they rave about… a lot of those things were in the original G1. Large knobs for controls, versatility in the center console, wide opening door, wide swinging doors, fit and finish when it was built in Canada, I can continue on and on.

So I do miss the Swiss army knife of versatility of the G1/G2, its all the truck the majority of the persons who own it will ever need. The G2 is not all bad, it just left so much behind and was stoped before it reached all it could be. I have to agree with a lot of the comments that it is a Pilot with a bed, I think the Passport styling and tuning of the truck is the way that Honda should lean on the yet to be seen refresh. Honda is severely lacking in the towing capability, the payload is fine… but the towing is key. 7000 to 8000 lbs is what is needed. All the guys with G1's towing some big ole trailers prove it can be done. Csimo was right about Gary Flint and the kind of truck the G1 was built to be.

The mid size market is hot now, RAM is going to get in the mid size market. They already developed the split tailgate for the 1500, you bet it will be in the mid size truck. They have the RAM boxes that are are very good alternative to the trunk. So I'm glad for the Ridgeline to be in existence, lets hope that maybe Honda gets serious with the next one and not just be content to be the production filler it is today. In closing, I'm bummed that RAM proves that a good featured truck can be had and built, just wished Honda would do the same. I've owned Honda's for over 36 years in one way shape or form. I hope I can come back some day soon.
 
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