[HRL383]

As for retail car sales people, I’m not sure there are many people out there who know LESS about cars than them.………..

Hum…..just from reading posts in car forums, I’m thinking there are a large number of buyers that know only two things about their +/-$35K purchase…….where the fuel goes and their monthly payment amount.🤷‍♂️ The salesperson showed them the fuel fill and the finance mgr informed them of the monthly payment. Heck, there’s lots of peeps that don’t know how many months they have to pay. They’re peeps that don’t know they leased a vehicle vs purchased it.🤦‍♂️

They’re peeps out there that don’t even know what a “HEMI” is. LOL.

 

[zroger73]

They’re peeps out there that don’t even know what a “HEMI” is. LOL.

Even more funny is that the lethargic, 65 horsepower, 1.6L I4 in the '81 Ford Escort was also a "hemi".

 

[HRL383]

Even more funny is that the lethargic, 65 horsepower, 1.6L I4 in the '81 Ford Escort was also a "hemi".

That’s the results you usually get from bean countin’ suits/ties sittin’ around big conference room tables.🤦‍♂️

 

[HRL383]

I’ve never owned a furd…..did the 1.6L have an available auto tranny?…..if so, did the auto tranny have a cooler?

 

[wh500special]

If they don’t know what a hemi is, I wonder what those guys would imagine a wankel might be…

 

[HRL383]

They only knew where the fuel fill and the monthly payment was. Combustion chambers and engine types got the “deer in headlights“ look.

 

[zroger73]

I’ve never owned a furd…..did the 1.6L have an available auto tranny?…..if so, did the auto tranny have a cooler?

Yes, and quite a novel one for the time as well! The 1981 Escort offered a "split-torque" 3-speed automatic that was able to transfer most of the power in 2nd and 3rd gears mechanically as opposed to hydraulically before torque converters with lockup clutches became common.

Lockup Torque Converters and Split Torque Automatics

Why automatic transmissions have lockup torque converters, what they do, and the many approaches automakers have taken to the problem of hydraulic slippage.

ateupwithmotor.com

I have no idea if a transmission cooler was used in this application.

 

[longboat]

Even more funny is that the lethargic, 65 horsepower, 1.6L I4 in the '81 Ford Escort was also a "hemi".

And the 1978 Plymouth Sapporo / Dodge Challenger / Mitsubishi Lambda had a 2.6L hemi four-cylinder, with a 5-speed manual... the auto tranny was an option.

 

[CNC1]

Funny thing about the Dodge hemi, it doesn't have hemispherical combustion chambers, just marketing. That thing got a Hemi? No, not really. (motortrend.com)

 

[HRL383]

Some would say the Honda tranny cooler is not a real cooler.

 

[jskicet]

Yes, your 2022 has the 9-speed ZF, including a transmission cooler, along with paddle shifters which can be used after pressing the D/S button a second time to put it in "S" (Select?) mode. With your first manual gear change done with one of the paddles, the gear you are in shows up on the display in front of you. It does not appear until you actually execute a manual gear change.

You can use the S mode to minimize so-called "hunting" or automatic gear changes which may not be necessary. Pay attention to, and understand, your tachometer so that you don't run at very low rpms under heavy load, which will be hard on both the engine and transmission. For flat terrain, 2,500 may be fine, but climbing any kind of hill may require 3,500 or more. For some places, you'll be in 5th, but other places may allow you to use 6th or even 7th, while climbing may require 4th. You're in control, and simply defaulting to 5th may not be the best solution.

You will also want to slow down, most likely. A typical travel trailer has the aerodynamics of a brick, and trying to pull it at 75mph will result in poor gas mileage and a lot of rpms. In flat terrain, the aerodynamic drag at high speed is actually more significant than the actual weight of the trailer. Take it easy on the engine, transmission, and yourself. Settle for 55-60 and let the Texans blow by.

You can use the paddle shifters in "D". It just will only stay in chosen gear until the truck senses it's time for a shift. In the "S" mode you have to manually shift it. I shift down all the time while traveling and using cruise control. The truck seems to wait to long to downshift on it's own before it looses several mph. I live in the mountains so I use the paddles all the time. I will say when in "S" its very intuitive. I rarely need to manually shift it while in "S". Just a little fyi.

 

[OddballMark]

This thread is just another illustration of the amazing laziness and ignorance of too many salesmen.
Never trust a salesman to be an expert on anything on how to get a sale. Theres no excuse for not knowing as simple as the tow limits of a vehicle you are selling or at least checking before just giving the customer the wrong information.

The Odyssey is rated to tow up to 3,500 lbs.

This guy successfully towed a triple-axle Airstream with his Odyssey for years!

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I am simultaneously impressed and outraged. Making my living on the road I see this end in tragedy way too often but good on him if he figured out how to do it safely.

While walking around a car lot waiting to have the battery replaced under warranty in my 2010 Ridgeline, a salesman walked up to me and commented how clean my Ridgeline was and asked me if it I had the two wheel drive or four wheel drive model. (All 1G Ridgelines were AWD.) Before I had time to think before I spoke, I responded, "It sounds like you need to go back and re-watch your training videos" and walked away. That was very ugly of me. I should have smiled, thanked him, and used the opportunity to educate him about the Ridgeline instead.

We have the same weakness. I can be patient with people, sometimes to a fault, but when someone is getting payed to do a job it takes everything in my power not to snap at them.
Maybe he is just new at the job and he will learn.

Funny thing about the Dodge hemi, it doesn't have hemispherical combustion chambers, just marketing. That thing got a Hemi? No, not really. (motortrend.com)

I almost posted the same thing. Hemi is just a marketing term now.

 

[stevem5215]

Everything I've read about the current Hemi is that it started design life as a Hemi design and then via testing and refining turned into the semi hemi it is now. Emissions did that to it. Underneath it's an original Hemi design.

 

[Engine95]

I am simultaneously impressed and outraged. Making my living on the road I see this end in tragedy way too often but good on him if he figured out how to do it safely.

Exactly. That was my first reaction. Just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should. Especially if it's something unsafe.

 

[HRL383]

My point was……if a customer were to ask “what’s a HEMI?”, the sales person is not likely to start paraphrasing Motor Trend, but most likely to have a deer in the headlights “look”.😉

 

[Hardroad1960]

Hey everyone,

I’m new to the group. I just bought a 2022 Honda Ridgeline RTL 2 weeks ago and very happy with the decision so far.

One thing I have been trying to verify is if I need a tranny cooler to achieve the 5k lb towing capacity.

The dealer told me the Ridgeline is only rated for towing 3k pounds and that I will need to get a tranny cooler if want to tow 5K pounds without significant risk to damaging the engine. Is this true? I skimmed the manual and saw that it was rated for towing 5K lbs…

Any thoughts from the group?

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Thanks,
Bryan

I know it says it has a 5k limit however I thinks that is a grossly optimistic. Be careful

 

[zroger73]

I know it says it has a 5k limit however I thinks that is a grossly optimistic. Be careful

The 2022 Ram Promaster has a similar powertrain to the Ridgeline (280 HP V6 with the ZF 9HP transmission) and is rated to tow up to 6,910 lbs.

The 2022 Pathfinder also uses the ZF 9HP transmission and is rated to tow up to 6,000 lbs.

Honda is typically conservative with their ratings and I'd imagine that includes the 5,000 lb. tow rating.

 

[HRL383]

I know it says it has a 5k limit however I thinks that is a grossly optimistic. Be careful

Is there some evidence that Honda is grossly optimistic with the 5K lb max tow limit? I believe Honda clearly states in the Owner’s Manual conditions/scenarios that reduces the 5K max. Surely Honda has done at least some testing to arrive at their tow numbers, no?🤷‍♂️

 

[stevem5215]

Ratings are always based on the braking system. Not on the actual capacity available from a design. The brakes is how they base their towing specs.

 

[HRL383]

I thought Honda recommended trailer brakes when towing over 1K lbs.🤷‍♂️