[PhatDaddy]

My rolling pop is gone.

I have found incorrectly installed brake pad shims right from the factory.

These are the top and bottom stainless steel channel-shaped shims that the pads sit directly against. They click into place on the caliper brackets. One sits flat against the caliper bracket surface, and one is made differently and is spring loaded (lifts away from the bracket). The spring loaded shim keeps the pad from rattling, and keeps it the downward position (natural to normal braking direction)

Mine were reversed, with the spring loaded shim on the bottom, which keeps the pads in the UPWARD position. Every time you hit the brakes during normal forward motion, the pad gets slammed down. When you release the brakes, it gets pushed back up. This constant up and down motion has hammered the pads, making them very loose in the bracket.

I have reversed the shims to their correct positions. I put a dot of weld on top of the pads to get rid of the play, instead of new pads.

I did not get pictures, but if anyone wants to pull their pads and post pictures of the shims, I can tell you which is which.

Wow, that seems like it could be a serious issue (?). Could it be a safety issue in any way? Is the most correct 'fix' (besides reversing the shims) to install new pads... or at some mileage point will it have done damage that can not be reversed with new pads?

 

[BillmanMotion]

Definitely not a safety issue.

 

[MWRL]

My rolling pop is gone.

I have found incorrectly installed brake pad shims right from the factory.

These are the top and bottom stainless steel channel-shaped shims that the pads sit directly against. They click into place on the caliper brackets. One sits flat against the caliper bracket surface, and one is made differently and is spring loaded (lifts away from the bracket). The spring loaded shim keeps the pad from rattling, and keeps it the downward position (natural to normal braking direction)

Mine were reversed, with the spring loaded shim on the bottom, which keeps the pads in the UPWARD position. Every time you hit the brakes during normal forward motion, the pad gets slammed down. When you release the brakes, it gets pushed back up. This constant up and down motion has hammered the pads, making them very loose in the bracket.

I have reversed the shims to their correct positions. I put a dot of weld on top of the pads to get rid of the play, instead of new pads.

I did not get pictures, but if anyone wants to pull their pads and post pictures of the shims, I can tell you which is which.

I think there are at least 2 types of "rolling pops", and you seem to have fixed one. My issue was fixed with a right front strut replacement. I think someone else had their strut bearing replaced as well.

 

[PhatDaddy]

My rolling pop is gone.

I have found incorrectly installed brake pad shims right from the factory.

These are the top and bottom stainless steel channel-shaped shims that the pads sit directly against. They click into place on the caliper brackets. One sits flat against the caliper bracket surface, and one is made differently and is spring loaded (lifts away from the bracket). The spring loaded shim keeps the pad from rattling, and keeps it the downward position (natural to normal braking direction)

Mine were reversed, with the spring loaded shim on the bottom, which keeps the pads in the UPWARD position. Every time you hit the brakes during normal forward motion, the pad gets slammed down. When you release the brakes, it gets pushed back up. This constant up and down motion has hammered the pads, making them very loose in the bracket.

I have reversed the shims to their correct positions. I put a dot of weld on top of the pads to get rid of the play, instead of new pads.

I did not get pictures, but if anyone wants to pull their pads and post pictures of the shims, I can tell you which is which.

Is there any way to identify if the problem exists from these pictures without pulling the pads?

 

[BillmanMotion]

That pic does not show the shims I am referring to.

They are on top and bottom of pads, not the backing.

This ones for you PhatDaddy

 

[LadharK]

Same here pad shims were adjusted and pop is gonne.

 

[PhatDaddy]

This ones for you PhatDaddy

Perfect! Much thanks. And there is a official TSB out on this? (I guess it is for 'brake click'). I will drop back by the dealership and have a chat. And the 'springs' of to which you referred... are those the wire-looking things shown at bottom of picture (or is that just a reference to part of the image above it)? Or is the 'spring' the extra 'tab' shown on the upper shims and not the other?

The local Honda Tech (with lots of years of experience) that did my Procedure B smiles, but not sure how he is (honestly) feeling about how I continue to bring him printouts from the ROC (mostly from BillmanMotion ;-) telling him things he needs to review. But hey... it is MY truck... and I want it (and PAID for it to be) working correctly! Then on the other hand... he IS the one doing the work on it...

 

[BillmanMotion]

Honda is not aware of the reversed retainer shims.

The "spring" is not a spring per say, it is in the design of the shims.

Bottom line, those shims need to be corrected.

It's not part of the brake pad click tsb. I'm sure it will be in the future if they are reading this

 

[DogOnBoard]

I can't wrap my head around the idea that Honda line techs are mis-assembling the brake pads...where are the QC guys??? Are they just reading the ROCF to find out what got screwed up at the Lincoln plant? You gotta be kidding me! Any chance that this is a parts supplier issue?

 

[BillmanMotion]

It could come down to an outside supplier, if they are getting the calipers loaded. Not sure of the build path on the line itself.

It's a slight difference. It can only cause clicking. The brakes are safe.

 

[redman7.0]

Had mine at the dealer yesterday. They were oblivious. Retorqued suspension component bolts. Pop still there. Rt. front and left rear.

 

[BillmanMotion]

Check the pad retainer clips. They are likely reversed.

 

[redman7.0]

Doesn't pop upon applying the brakes. Unless there is a delayed pad-clip release. Pop occurs when rolling brakes not applied. I guess it's possible the rear could be reversed clips.

 

[olgzr]

Is it possible that the calipers are preassembled and they reversed the right/left? That might put the clips on the wrong end (up vs down).

 

[BillmanMotion]

Reversing the calipers would orient the bleeders in the wrong location.

I an not sure if rear retaining clips can be reversed, but I will check.

Im confident there are a variety of front end pops and clicks, this is just one of them.

 

[sims71]

Could the pop you people are describing be called a loud crack? When I back out of my garage and onto the street ,then go forward I sometimes hear a loud crack sound.i only have 250 miles and the RTL was made in November
Thanks

 

[erikras]

Mine has started making the front pop when reversing as well. Mine was an early October build. I now have ~6,700 miles on it. I'd say the problem was VERY intermittent up until a few weeks ago. Now it occurs almost every time I back up my driveway and into my garage.

It's definitely coming from the front and I'd say it's 80% likely to be the front right.

 

[Minthral]

My frontier had a pop sound when pulling away from being parked. This was many years ago, but I remember troubleshooting concluded that it was ABS self test.

Anyone know if this truck does this too?

Sounds like there are multiple sources of popping people are reporting.

 

[joeone1]

I get the pop noise after backing out of my garage, turn wheels left and start rolling forward about 10'. It seems to happen the same time and distance everyday. Not sure if coming from the passenger front or back of truck.

 

[redman7.0]

Has anyone had this issue successfully repaired yet?