The new tranny is in the 2024 Pilot so why not the Ridgeline . Honda Transmissions have always been a sore spot with me, great engines but poor trans.
Why didn't the Ridgeline get the New 10 speed Transmission ?
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The rumor is the 10 speed AT with the AWD transfer assembly won’t physically fit in the existing 2G RL platform. Honda does use the 10AT in the Ody which is FWD only so there is probably some truth to the rumor.
BTW the 9AT in the 2024 RL is designed and manufactured by ZF and the 10AT is designed and manufactured by Honda.
BTW the 9AT in the 2024 RL is designed and manufactured by ZF and the 10AT is designed and manufactured by Honda.
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Only time will tell, but the ZF 9-speed currently used in the Ridgeline may prove to be the better/more reliable transmission. At any rate, it is well-proven with a long track record, unlike Honda’s in-house 10-speed.
Honda’s last in-house transmission (6-speed) had such poor reliability in the Ridgeline and other models that they stopped using it. That’s where the out-sourced ZF 9-speed came from.
Whose would you bet on?
I was under the impression the 2024 Pilot is also AWD. There must be something else going on either with a RL-unique fit issue, or some other reason. Perhaps ZRoger73 has some of his special insight? I agree my money is on the ZF 9-speed until Honda proves themselves over time with their latest homegrown attempt. Unfortunately, it will take years for the verdict to emerge.
As cbayman mentioned, new chassis in the 2023+ Pilots. Larger platform. even the oem 23-24 Pilot Trailsport tires are at 265/60/18 AT stock while the 2024 Ridgeline trailsport still has to use smaller 245/60/18 AT tires. This gives some insight into some design changes to the newer Pilots from the old.
The reviews of the Pilot with the new Twin Cam engine and Ten Speed is they are slower than the single cam engine/ 9 speed we have! The Pilot engine is designed like a BMW with the valve covers holding the cams in place, total garbage!
‘23 Pilot Trailsport; ‘21 Mazda MX5 RF; ‘21 Ridgeline RTL-E (sold)
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I am a doubter. I think the 10sp may fit the current ridgeline, but honda has other reasons for not adding the 10sp. Who knows the reason (maybe they still have a contract with zf thats costly to exit). Why would they develop a transmission that doesn't fit there chassis? Its the easiest spec in the world to write.
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Maybe because they’re planning to discontinue the Ridgeline anyway?
Maybe they need the different form factor for reasons we’re not privvy to, and that form factor doesn’t fit in the G2 Ridgeline?
Maybe because the 10-speed is so new they haven’t ramped up production volume sufficiently yet, and internally plan to make up the difference indefinitely with ZFs.
Maybe because the G2 Ridgeline has already had a transmission change, and yet another would look bad?
There really could be all kinds of reasons, including contractual with ZF. Bottom line is the Ridgeline has a 9-speed for better or worse.
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All we know is that Honda said, "it wouldn't fit" when asked by a journalist why they didn't use the 10-speed in the 2019 Passport, which shared a platform with the Ridgeline and Pilot at the time.
As stated above, Honda used the 10-speed with the V6 in the Odyssey, which is also on Honda's third-generation light truck platform, but they Odyssey is FWD only.
The 2023-current Pilot is built on Honda's fourth-generation LTP and can accommodate V6+10AT+AWD.
Would they have to recertify emissions, fuel economy and possibly crash tests if they changed out the transmission? I am guessing FE and emissions at least. Could be a large cost for just a mild refresh. Current engine has to go away eventually too for emissions so there's that to consider as well.
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Honda doesn't exactly have the best record on automatic transmissions. I trust ZF a hell of a lot more than I do Honda. Not sure why anyone would be eager for the 10 speed.
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Gear counts at Ford and GM have been trending downward lately after peaking at 10 speeds. Both automakers have recently dropped some 9-speed transmissions in favor of 8-speed units after realizing that the slight improvement in efficiency of the unnecessary gear didn't justify the added weight and cost. It looks like after a hundred years, we've finally determined that the sweet spot for an automatic transmission is 8 speeds. DCTs are on the decline as well - Acura dropped the two they were using and Hyundai/Kia is beginning to replace 8-speed DCTs with a traditional 8-speed automatic.
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And the reason is too many warranty failures. DCT's have been on the trouble list for a while. Multi speed transmissions like the Ford GM 10 speed are showing their problems badly.
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When! When the Ridgeline gets redesigned!
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