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Future EV Pickup truck for Honda?

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#1 ·
With many of the new EV Pickup truck hitting the market by beginning 2021. I wonder where Honda is positionning itself on that market?

  • Ford will be making it's entry with its own F-150
  • Rivian (probably one of the most appealing EV pickup to get on the market) will make its entry
  • ...and more to come with FCA and GMC
 
#2 ·
While other manufacturers turn to PHEV and EV models to reduce their carbon footprint, Honda is looking at other methods such as improving the efficiency of gasoline engines, increasing recyclability, and reducing waste.

Unlike some manufacturers, Honda does not appear to be tightly focused on electric vehicles.

Honda offered only one EV in the US - the Clarify Electric - which was never available for purchase and could only be leased in certain states. It was discontinued for 2020.

Honda had two PHEV models - the Accord PHEV and the Clarity PHEV. The former is discontinued and the latter sits on dealer lots even with thousands in discounts.

Don't hold your breath for EV truck from Honda.
 
#5 ·
Toyota's been playing with hybrid tech in their SUV's for a bit now, its only a matter of time before they transplant it into a Tacoma. Ford's got a unibody small truck in the works right now, and GMC has already announced the electric Hummer truck's are coming.

I would LOVE an electric truck about the ridgeline's size, but i suspect i wont afford one for quite some time
 
#6 ·
Ford has already made provisions for electric on the new Bronco/Ranger chassis. It is only a matter of time.

While I consider the Rivian my ideal RL replacement, I think the company would rather make hipster product development and camping videos and than actually produce a product for sale.

It is sad that Honda is so clueless on this. They put their electric tech where few want it (CR-Z/NSX) few will see it (Insight/Accord Hybrid), and few will buy it (MDX with 0 towing capability?)
 
#7 ·
It is sad that Honda is so clueless on this. They put their electric tech where few want it (CR-Z/NSX) few will see it (Insight/Accord Hybrid), and few will buy it (MDX with 0 towing capability?)
I don't think they're clueless. I think they're being realistic like they are with the Ridgeline's ability to fulfill the actual needs of most truck buyers. Honda favors practicality.
 
#13 · (Edited)
One of these Frontiers is a 2007 with over a million miles on it (actual mileage unknown as the odometer locked at 999,999). The other is a brand new 2020 Frontier. Tell me quickly... Which is which?

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The Frontier went 15 model years with no major changes. Nissan finally installed a new engine and transmission in it for 2020, but the sheet metal and interior is the same.

The Tacoma is on its 5th model year with no major changes.

The Colorado is on its 6th model year with no major changes.
 
#16 · (Edited)
We need more charging stations and better battery tech before all electric cars are mainstream.
We are taking a one week, 2,000 mile round trip over the Cascades and the Rockies towing a trailer next month to visit family. Under this time constraint this trip would not be feasible with any current electric vehicle, especially a "truck."

Oh, and I have another concern, electrical grids are currently having issues keeping up with demand, if electric vehicles are ever to become mainstream, where is all of this extra electricity going to come from?

Oh yea, do we, as a nation, really want to become dependent upon electricity as a single power source?

Electric vehicles have a long ways to go if they are ever going to go beyond being an urban commuter.

Bill
 
#15 ·
I’d be all over a PHEV Ridgeline and would happily trade in my ‘18 RL for it if it retained the same towing and payload. The RAV4 Prime from Toyota has the ideal setup; more power than other variants, and very usable electric range that would cover 90% of my driving needs with an overnight plug-in. They will sell a million of those things depending on price and incentives. I’d rather have a Rivian (or even better a hydrogen Badger) but the RAV shows how effective existing technology could be for a vehicle like the Ridgeline.
 
#19 ·
For now, EV is ideal for a local commuter vehicle. ICE is still king of the open highway.

PHEV is a great compromise, especially for heavy vehicles (like the Ridgeline) that suck a lot of gas during local commutes.

If we don't get a hybrid Ridgeline, I could see picking up an EV for my local commutes and using the Ridgeline for highway trips, assuming fuel prices will go back up and EVs will become reasonably priced.

Where will the electricity come from? I'm banking on better battery technology to get us more miles per KW, just like we are getting many more miles per gallon of gas than we did 50 years ago... it may be a rocky road getting to that nexus, though.
 
#22 ·
For now, EV is ideal for a local commuter vehicle. ICE is still king of the open highway.

PHEV is a great compromise, especially for heavy vehicles (like the Ridgeline) that suck a lot of gas during local commutes.

If we don't get a hybrid Ridgeline, I could see picking up an EV for my local commutes and using the Ridgeline for highway trips, assuming fuel prices will go back up and EVs will become reasonably priced.

Where will the electricity come from? I'm banking on better battery technology to get us more miles per KW, just like we are getting many more miles per gallon of gas than we did 50 years ago... it may be a rocky road getting to that nexus, though.
I'm on my 2nd Nissan LEAF and can't agree more. LEAF a phenomenal commuter vehicle if used within its engineering constraints. It's constrained by how fast the batteries can be recharged (can build enough heat to destroy the batteries over time) and a relatively small battery pack making it almost useless for a long road trip. However, I can still manage over 2,000 miles/month with errands & daily commuting simply charging every night on 240V line in my garage. Other much more expensive EV's have actively refrigerated batteries that increase the rate they can be recharged, and charging at commercial stations can be much more expensive that using gasoline. However, LEAF is all about less complexity and more optimal for local use.

The math is very simple. A LEAF averages @ 4 miles/KWh so that 2,000 miles/month consumes @ 500 KWh, which is @ $60 on my electric bill. The other more notable cost attribute is almost no scheduled maintenance... the car has roughly 2000 fewer moving parts, no engine, no transmission, no oil changes, no tune-ups, no insanely expensive Honda 30K mile service intervals, and no timing belt to change. It gets tire rotations, an annual battery check, and change the cabin filter. Balance that with the strange attributes... no drivetrain vibration or noise, no gear shifting, no exhaust smell, and no gasoline fumes.

With that said, the Ridgeline is my go-to highway cruiser.
 
#21 ·
I should have been clearer in my "miles per kw" or "kw per mile" reference. If you can make batteries half the size, then you can double up on the range, which means you will have more choices to pick and choose your recharging times and locations. More people will be able to recharge overnight, rather than, say, at work during the day.

In most areas, electrical demand is lower at night and typically costs less. Sometimes there is excess electricity. In the case of hydropower, if there is no demand for the electricity, it goes to waste (there is little to no storage of electricity on the grid), or they can reduce power generation at the hydropower turbines if they have that option*.

* In many cases, they have to let some water through the hydropower dams due to:

1) minimizing flood risk by not storing too much water in the reservoir(s) upstream, and

2) in-stream flow regulations - you can't just turn off the water, as it is needed downstream by fish & wildlife, municipalities, irrigation districts, recreation, etc. (In Texas, for example, fresh water needs to reach the estuaries on the coast to reduce hypersaline areas in the bays that can impact many forms of fish, wildlife and vegetation).

Dam operators have the option of flowing water through a spillway rather than the power-generating turbines in the powerplant, but why not generate electricity if you have the ability to do so for relatively free? That would be like owning construction equipment and not using it.... it is costing you more money to leave it sit.
 
#26 ·
Generators powered by tides and/or waves are probably the most environmentally friendly and sustainable, but I think they're still in their infancy.

Some hydroelectric dams are being decommissioned on smaller rivers, particularly in the PNW where certain salmon strains are endangered, but they will remain a mainstay on larger rivers where dams are a requirement to protect infrastructure from flooding. The bulk of hydroelectric comes from those larger dams.
 
#29 ·
Part 2 was very interesting to me with the usage of many kw's for heating. I've read that previously but it was nice to see a real world use by someone long term for comparison. And that the newer version with more kw can make it work in the cold months. Batteries as a power source is just an interim idea till we get to somewhere that the George Jetson "pill" pop with renewal of power for his flying car happens. We'll get there but I don't think many of us will ever actually "see" it happen.

Steve
 
#30 ·
Part 2 was very interesting to me with the usage of many kw's for heating. I've read that previously but it was nice to see a real world use by someone long term for comparison. And that the newer version with more kw can make it work in the cold months. Batteries as a power source is just an interim idea till we get to somewhere that the George Jetson "pill" pop with renewal of power for his flying car happens. We'll get there but I don't think many of us will ever actually "see" it happen.

Steve
Fortunately, man mastered fire and blessed enough to have a 2nd vehicle that still makes fire that I can use for commuting with when the weather dictates. An electric car quirk is they deliver instant heat upon startup. It just uses a lot of electricity for that instant heat. Another unanticipated quirk is there is no radiant engine heat to warm the firewall and fender wells. So not uncommon for legs & knees to feel cold, commonly wear long underwear and keep a hoodie in the car. That lack of radiant heat leads to snow buildup in the front fenders, sometimes use silicone spray and keep an old ice scraper to chop the buildup. Both my LEAF's had an upgrade dual heat system (both a heat pump and a 5 KW resistance heater) along with the heated seats and heated steering wheel that are a must have option. At temps down to about freezing the heat pump is very effective with minimal electric draw. Then, the resistance heater comes on if more heat is needed but the range drops quickly. A recommended practice is to pre-warm the car while leaving it plugged into charging power and I shelter it inside a garage if it's colder than @ 20F. LEAF is equipped with timers that can be preset for the car to startup on its own and totally warmed up when ready to depart while still connected to charging power so the driving range is stretched. It's totally to safe pre-warm inside a closed garage because no combustion means no off-gasses. There have been times when sub-zero outside when I used the LEAF as a space heater by leaving it running inside the garage with the windows down.
 
#38 ·
My wife's 2019 Rav4 Hybrid is averaging 38 MPG over 10000 miles driven. Her commute is half highway and half nasty stop an go. Its the stop and go where the Hybrid really shines. Certainly PHEV version would do magnitudes better as her commute could be essentially all electric but her "regular" hybrid model is truly an impressively efficient vehicle for its size and performance. I think a well implemented hybrid version of the Ridgeline could exceed 30mpg overall and without the need to package as large of a battery pack. I wouldn't say no to a PHEV version either but a regular hybrid version should be able nearly double the 15-18mpg city cycle and that would definitely get my attention.
 
#39 ·
I think a well implemented hybrid version of the Ridgeline could exceed 30mpg overall and without the need to package as large of a battery pack.
The MDX Sport Hybrid is rated at 26 city, 27 highway, and 27 combined and has a zero tow rating.

The gasoline Ridgeline weighs more than the hybrid MDX and is less aerodynamic, so lower ratings should be expected.
 
#40 · (Edited)
The new Highlander rather than the MDX is the benchmark for Honda's Pilot / Passport / Ridgeline. Honda is indeed likely behind Toyota in their hybrid technologies but they are going to need to up their game to compete with the new Highlander Hybrid if they want any market share. The 2020 Highlander Hybrid will do well over 30mpg overall, even in AWD variants. It will also tow 3500lbs. Frankly, Honda can't bring a Pilot (hybrid) to the market with zero tow capacity and sub 30mpg overall; that would be a non starter.
If a Ridgeline Hybrid comes around it will follow closely in the lead and specifications of the Pilot. It will llikely get a little bit worse fuel economy but should be fairly close.