So my dad’s car just had this happen and he has a 2023 Toyota Vensa. Wondering if Honda is vulnerable too or there is a recall we can get the dealer to fix this. Basically they have a device that can record your key fob unlock signal and open your doors while you are not looking. They did a whole street of cars in Oakland so it’s easy to do apparently.
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Once again, locks, immobilizer systems, etc are to keep honest people from temptation; I've seen all kinds of zany anti-theft schemes used by my classic car buddies including kill switches, GPS trackers, etc.. A crafty thief can get around all of them.
There are hand held $500 "jammers" now you can get online to block LoJack, 5G, GPS signals - basically any RF transmitter.
Not gonna stay up nights worrying about a heavily insured modern car.
There are hand held $500 "jammers" now you can get online to block LoJack, 5G, GPS signals - basically any RF transmitter.
Not gonna stay up nights worrying about a heavily insured modern car.
The only time the fob comes out of my pocket is when i remote-start the vehicle, or change pants.
If i have a phone in the same pocket, the fob range is really reduced. I often have to take the phone out of the pocket in order for the door to unlock. Could be a good theft deterrent....
If i have a phone in the same pocket, the fob range is really reduced. I often have to take the phone out of the pocket in order for the door to unlock. Could be a good theft deterrent....
For this reason we put our vehicles keys in a faraday box at home or use a faraday mini pouch when going out (groceries, mall, etc).
Isn't a problem in our area but you never know who is following you. Especially when you drive nice vehicles.
They just need to be close to clone your keyfob signal. Lots of videos out there of security cameras showing how quickly they can do it.
Amazon has plenty of them.
Once inside the faraday box/pouch the car can't see the signal. Is like you turn off the fob.
Isn't a problem in our area but you never know who is following you. Especially when you drive nice vehicles.
They just need to be close to clone your keyfob signal. Lots of videos out there of security cameras showing how quickly they can do it.
Amazon has plenty of them.
Once inside the faraday box/pouch the car can't see the signal. Is like you turn off the fob.
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Good to know, but for me, I don't sweat it much, that's what insurance is for. I would be different if I had a classic or heavily-modified vehicle, but I can easily replace my Outback and Ridgeline. I live, play, and work in areas where there's little auto theft (except for a few "bad neighborhoods" where the inhabitants swipe each other's crap boxes). We DO have a good number of opportunistic property thefts from unlocked vehicles, though, so I never leave anything of value in sight. And catalytic converters of course, which there is no great way to defend against, though I've considered throwing a fake rubber snake or rat under there at night. LOL.
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Has it ever been anything other than since the dawn of human kind? I wasn't around Olduvai Gorge at the time, but I'd bet this stuff went on about two seconds after more than one hominid appeared on Earth.
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Heh, reminds me of a Detroit T-Shirt I wanted at one time... with a Henry Ford quote, "Auto racing began 5 minutes after the second car was built." ... as you say, same could be said with people and theft.
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Yes this!!!! Those poor children could be kidnapped!!!
I have heard of this and being that my truck is parked outside I chose to get a faraday sleeve from Slnt. I verified it does block the signal so there is no signal to interrupt and steal. Pretty easy 20 bucks for a good piece of mind
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I think there are misconceptions here and many folks are believing the fob transmits at all times (continuously)... and keeping in a shielded case helps. It doesn't.
If you are talking about just keeping the fob from being detectible from 6ft-10ft from your vehicle so auto-unlock doesn't open. I would imagine you're good without the faraday sleeve. It would never penetrate a wall from the home to allow it to be opened (and I would hope you would be past that 6ft-10ft range).
If you are speaking of putting it into a faraday sleeve for normal use as you try to operate your vehicle, that will never work, it needs to detect the fob to unlock (unless you use your key) but it needs it to start.
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^^this, having the fob with you is leaving you vulnerable to this hack. Honda absolutely at fault here!
lol you can’t operate the vehicle with the key in the sleeve, but for me my key just doesn’t sit somewhere inside the house. It’s sitting in the sleeve rather than hang up. At the time it made sense in the sense that there was a drive by and interrupt method that was used for stealing cars. If this is now obsolete than oh well I guess I’m screwed.
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Everyone needs to call Honda and demand an answer!
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Put down the pipe, Dragon. You're a bit excited.
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Silly comments like this don’t get things fixed. And it’s machine that carves halfpipes in snow btw!
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I just think there needs to be a clearing of the mind from some folks and re-understand. I'll just make some bullet points for simplicity.
This hack has been done before in the past for other vehicles, it's not really a new concept. It's no different than advancement of lock picks. It used to be lock-picks, then vibrating and snap lock picks, then LISHI lock picks... picks advance but you wouldn't ask the maker to "fix" the lock... right? Isn't it the same?
But as vehicles become new and tech advances, it can seem like a bigger vulnerability, when it is the same.
This hack has been done before in the past for other vehicles, it's not really a new concept. It's no different than advancement of lock picks. It used to be lock-picks, then vibrating and snap lock picks, then LISHI lock picks... picks advance but you wouldn't ask the maker to "fix" the lock... right? Isn't it the same?
But as vehicles become new and tech advances, it can seem like a bigger vulnerability, when it is the same.
- No, your children won't be in danger. If this is what you're worried about... the bad guy would need to record your fob while you're UNLOCKING the car (not locking). That isn't really the pattern. And if you are that concerned, then probably the children should be with you (I don't know, I'm not a parent).
- No, your vehicle cannot just be randomly approached ad-hoc and opened in this method. The bad guy must record an unlock session. So, these are the same guys that would have the lockpick sets on older cars... or a Slim-Jim.
- Hiding your fobs, shielding your fobs, burning your fobs, putting your fobs in a blender... will not help while operating. The truck needs the fob to unlock and open electronically. And to start.
- Other vehicles have just as weak or even less secure tech. There are relay devices that can be purchased just as easily. These intercept the fob code and relay it to vehicle in real-time and capturing altering the increment pattern. Same problem for them.
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I use a mint box for mine. Delicious AND effective.
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I remember as a freshman in HS, back in 1983, my electronics teacher showing that he could change the channel on a TV by shaking his keyring. Mind you, this was the OLD style remote that had like 3 buttons and made a funny sound when you pressed a button, along with a 'twang'. We didn't believe him and then he did it, he said it didn't always work but when it hit just the right frequency it did.
Whatever Honda or any other automaker does to address it, even Elon the all-knowing and all-seeing, there will be a race to hack and defeat it.
Whatever Honda or any other automaker does to address it, even Elon the all-knowing and all-seeing, there will be a race to hack and defeat it.
Well at least I would have a video of a molester trying to access my pickup. It has 10 cameras recording anyone within 3 feet of my truck when it's out of my garage. I get to see many people walk up to within 3 feet of it. 2 terabytes is stored and then starts recording over the older video. (It's really fun looking at people who are looking it over and within the 3 feet.
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