[FTM1]

I've been a subscriber to Car and Driver now for nearly 40 years. I finally read the 3 row test a couple of days ago and it's pure CD. Given that the point spread between the 4 different SUV's was very small and that CD is all about power/performance, small wonder it came in last. Would the comparison sway me away from the new Pilot? No. The new engine and transmission combo would though. I'd check back in a couple of years, after the standard Honda teething issues get smoothed out.

So have I been a subscriber back with my 1st car a 1980 Honda Prelude.

 

[OmahaJeff]

No recalls on mine.

 

[Sparkland]

No recalls on mine.

The recall has not reached the database yet, but I don't believe it is a widespread issue among new Pilots.

 

[zroger73]

This issue potentially affects 519 2023-2024 Pilots made between June 30 and September 25, 2023. A ball bearing left behind after some steering racks had to be reworked could cause the steering to lock up.

Due to a manufacturing error, a loose ball bearing may have contaminated the gear box assembly. If a loose ball bearing has contaminated the gear box assembly, it may fall into the gap of a rotating part within the gear box.

If a ball bearing falls into the gap of a rotating part within the gear box, steering function may be lost and the steering may lock-up, increasing the risk of a crash or injury.

There was a process change for steering gear boxes which were taken off the main assembly line for rework that may have allowed previously assembled ball bearings to remain in the gear box and subsequently become misplaced within the component when reassembled.

 

[Jelly donut]

Quality aside, the new Pilot is the most boring offering on the class. The rear styling in particular seems completely phoned in.

Not saying it has to be interesting to be successful, but it's a shame. To out-snooze Toyota is a dubious honor.

 

[FTM1]

Quality aside, the new Pilot is the most boring offering on the class. The rear styling in particular seems completely phoned in.

Not saying it has to be interesting to be successful, but it's a shame. To out-snooze Toyota is a dubious honor.

But that's why I also looked at Savagegeese How To Fix Forgettable Suvs Pilot review.
Obviously they see the Pilot differently compared to other's.
Also the Toyota mechanic Guy gave his review of Pilot.

 

[Jelly donut]

But that's why I also looked at Savagegeese How To Fix Forgettable Suvs Pilot review.
Obviously they see the Pilot differently compared to other's.
Also the Toyota mechanic Guy gave his review of Pilot.

How did Youtube reviews change the vehicle? I’m not sure I’d notice a 2024 Pilot if it crashed into me. The Koreans do plenty wrong, but at least they take some chances with their styling.

It won’t matter too much in the sales charts. Most of these are destined to live lives of curbed wheels, Lululemon tainted sweat stains and regurgitated goldfish crackers. No compelling reason for it to be anything but what it is.

The Ridgeline is not exactly a stunner either, so it runs in the family.

 

[FTM1]

How did Youtube reviews change the vehicle? I’m not sure I’d notice a 2024 Pilot if it crashed into me. The Koreans do plenty wrong, but at least they take some chances with their styling.

It won’t matter too much in the sales charts. Most of these are destined to live lives of curbed wheels, Lululemon tainted sweat stains and regurgitated goldfish crackers. No compelling reason for it to be anything but what it is.

The Ridgeline is not exactly a stunner either, so it runs in the family.

I see plenty of Generation 1 Pilot's still running around. Plenty of Gen 2 Pilot boxes all around. KIA and Hyundai came out with a lot of vehicles with fresh styling.
Then that style fades and you don't see many on the road or streets. When you do see one it looks odd in style.
However that old Honda and Acura with its less flashy looks at age still looks good.

 

[Sparkland]

I see plenty of Generation 1 Pilot's still running around. Plenty of Gen 2 Pilot boxes all around. KIA and Hyundai came out with a lot of vehicles with fresh styling.
Then that style fades and you don't see many on the road or streets. When you do see one it looks odd in style.
However that old Honda and Acura with its less flashy looks at age still looks good.

I will agree with you, the Koreans do change their vehicles much more than Honda or Toyota. It is in their culture. They do borrow designs from other manufacturers and meld them together. To me the new Pilot looks like a Dodge Durango from the side with the smallish piece of glass in the cargo area. The new 2024 Santa Fe looks pretty nice and reminds me of the older boxy Pilot with some flare to it. It will be introduced to the US on Thursday. The Korean twins do catch the eye, but I am not sure what is underneath is built to last.

2024 Hyundai Santa Fe First Look: Form and Function United

The Santa Fe has taken a back seat to Hyundai's other midsize three-row SUV, the Palisade, for a few years now. But a redesign for 2024 has transformed the Santa Fe with new, rugged exterior styling that catches the eye and an interior makeover that gives it greater passenger room and needed...

www.edmunds.com

 

[geezee60]

C'mon here, the biggest negative being posted is that the styling is boring ?! To you maybe, eh ? Perhaps the styling to others, is wonderful. Maybe ? Bear in mind, the 'styling' to which most of us speak, is a bunch of chitzy plastic crap which actually means nothing with regards to the vehicle quality, durability, longevity, nor resale value. I would call it 'superficial'. In comparison to Honda Pilots that being old old ones still on the road- I simply do not see any Hyundais nor Kias and those I do, look like rolling junk heaps. Why is that ? Draw your own conclusions. I am simply offering a counter-point to this discussion which is mostly 'styling based' , A Pilot is twice the vehicle those others are in the long term. The actual metrics will weigh that out. But by all means do your own research.

 

[Sparkland]

C'mon here, the biggest negative being posted is that the styling is boring ?! To you maybe, eh ? Perhaps the styling to others, is wonderful. Maybe ? Bear in mind, the 'styling' to which most of us speak, is a bunch of chitzy plastic crap which actually means nothing with regards to the vehicle quality, durability, longevity, nor resale value. I would call it 'superficial'. In comparison to Honda Pilots that being old old ones still on the road- I simply do not see any Hyundais nor Kias and those I do, look like rolling junk heaps. Why is that ? Draw your own conclusions. I am simply offering a counter-point to this discussion which is mostly 'styling based' , A Pilot is twice the vehicle those others are in the long term. The actual metrics will weigh that out. But by all means do your own research.

After perusing the Piloteers and Pilot FB forums it seems the 2023-2024 Pilot is having some/more than some growing pains.

https://www.piloteers.org/forums/2023-current-pilot.163/

 

[ISO Truck]

After perusing the Piloteers and Pilot FB forums it seems the 2023-2024 Pilot is having some/more than some growing pains.

https://www.piloteers.org/forums/2023-current-pilot.163/

That’s a lot of material to wade through. Any chance of a brief synopsis of the highlights?

 

[zroger73]

Mostly, interior water leaks. Lots of SRS warning messages. More 10-speed transmission problems than I recall from previous models that used the 10-speed (of note, the 2023 Pilot uses a "second generation" 10-speed).

 

[longboat]

Maybe a good thing the G3 got put on hold....

 

[OmahaJeff]

After perusing the Piloteers and Pilot FB forums it seems the 2023-2024 Pilot is having some/more than some growing pains.

https://www.piloteers.org/forums/2023-current-pilot.163/

Mostly, interior water leaks. Lots of SRS warning messages. More 10-speed transmission problems than I recall from previous models that used the 10-speed (of note, the 2023 Pilot uses a "second generation" 10-speed).

I have a Pilot and am on the Pilot forum. I'm not aware of "more than some growing pains." I don't see it on the subforum you're referencing.

Are you getting this from a Facebook group? Of course there are a few disgruntled owners, as there always are. Even Ridgelines.

Otherwise, I have yet to see anything statistically significant regarding current Pilot issues. The Pilot continues to sell briskly (2-3 times the rate of the Ridgeline), and probably would sell a lot more if the supply were there.

 

[Sparkland]

I have a Pilot and am on the Pilot forum. I'm not aware of "more than some growing pains." I don't see it on the subforum you're referencing.

Are you getting this from a Facebook group? Of course there are a few disgruntled owners, as there always are. Even Ridgelines.

Otherwise, I have yet to see anything statistically significant regarding current Pilot issues. The Pilot continues to sell briskly (2-3 times the rate of the Ridgeline), and probably would sell a lot more if the supply were there.

I certainly don’t have an axe to grind regarding the Pilot, as I do like it. Glad you are enjoying yours. I don’t think the issues are widespread on every Pilot, just a variety of things that are cropping up. One lady on FB had a cable break underneath the vehicle and it was dragging on the ground. Poor fit and finish seem to be the most prevalent. Transmission issues are disabling vehicles for weeks. Hopefully, Honda gets it all sorted out.

 

[FTM1]

Mostly, interior water leaks. Lots of SRS warning messages. More 10-speed transmission problems than I recall from previous models that used the 10-speed (of note, the 2023 Pilot uses a "second generation" 10-speed).

Mostly, interior water leaks. Lots of SRS warning messages. More 10-speed transmission problems than I recall from previous models that used the 10-speed (of note, the 2023 Pilot uses a "second generation" 10-speed).

Well I'm getting close to taking that leap into a 2024 Pilot Elite. It has all the features I want. The front heated and ventilated seats. The IVTM4 AWD, Bose 70. Audio System I can live with. Heads-Up Display and Rear Outboard heated seats I'll take. The Heated steering wheel I wanted.
The Brake Hold feature with Electronic Parking Brake I wanted. The upgraded digital instrument gauge cluster.
The power folding mirrors I wanted and need more now. The Multi-View Camera System or TrailWatch 360 Camera System.
My 2000 Acura 3.2 TL will be 24yrs old at Christmas. It has low mileage for its age.
The Ridgeline is Sisters but I was the primary driver the first 2 and half years when new. I was the one that picked it out. I had it serviced over the years.
In February 2024 the Ridgeline will be 17yrs old. It has over 227,000miles. She's getting r a ady to take long trip next week.
In the past few weeks new set of tires put on.
All fluids except brake,power steering done last week. Also new spark plugs done air filter.
New Radiator was done last year.
Belt was squealing they put on new serpentine belt and tensioner.
So about 1500 miles next few weeks.
But for me it's time for new modern vehicle.
So 2024 Pilot Elite instead of Ridgeline.
With 2007 still running just don't need 2nd Pickup Truck. If it's not fixable at later time sisters getting smaller vehicle.
So waiting and wishing on new Ridgeline redesign has led me to Pilot Elite.

 

[zroger73]

Are you getting this from a Facebook group? Of course there are a few disgruntled owners, as there always are. Even Ridgelines.

A few? Seems like every time I open Facebook I see someone else posting about a water leak or airbag warning light - and that's not much of an exaggeration.

 

[geezee60]

Hmm, not sure what to say there except maybe you- and they- should be buying the 'better' Hyundais and Kias....!? I am not sure if FB rants constitute a significant quality issue. My experience is with the '20 RL not Pilot although there are a lot of shared components- none of these issues in the RL from '20.

 

[Sparkland]

Hmm, not sure what to say there except maybe you- and they- should be buying the 'better' Hyundais and Kias....!? I am not sure if FB rants constitute a significant quality issue. My experience is with the '20 RL not Pilot although there are a lot of shared components- none of these issues in the RL from '20.

No one said the Kia/Hyundai vehicles were better, only that the new Pilot has a few nagging minor issues that irritate the owners.