[zroger73]

A few? Seems like every time I open Facebook I see someone else posting about a water leak or airbag warning light - and that's not much of an exaggeration.

Only ten attachments are allowed, so here are ten of the most recent photos of various warning messages I've seen on the 2023-2024 Pilots from the Facebook group.

 

[Cbayman]

^^This is why my rule is to never purchase the first MY of a redesign. Let others do the beta testing.

 

[stevem5215]

Normally I would agree with you on the 1st year designs. But there have been exceptions on that. And I believe my 17' RTL while it has a 6 speed (that I'm monitoring closely as most on here already know) has been a trouble free vehicle. Basically all I've done with it has been routine maintenance items. Not even brakes yet at 68,000mi. Tires yeah. I've done lots of preventative things. LIke the fuel filler cover on the gas door (basically $5 I paid), I cut the extra wire wraps that limited the overall length of the tailgate harness and it has not failed either due to those measures, Fluid film'ing the underside is preventing the rust from occurring and I'm sure my heated wintertime garage helps that a lot too so no moisture stays under the vehicles. Otherwise mine is first year and yeah it went to the dealer for the hood latch recall and the gas tank cover recall. They didn't goof anything else up so that was good. So yeah 1st years can be ok. You just have to get the luck of the draw and the truth is any vehicle year can have issues. Hence the reliability rankings in ConsumersReports.

 

[Sparkland]

Does this sound normal on a 2024 Honda Pilot? The owner says the noise goes away somewhat after it warms up.

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[Ashley.elle]

I am trying to figure out a new 3 row seater that off roads on farms and possibly muddy roads. I have had a 2022 Kia telluride that is currently being fixed because the engine was having a knocking noise at 40000 miles. We had to Wait 3 weeks of a bunch of back and forth with thier Kia engineering and our local dealer just to find out that the engine has to be replaced. Some 2024 are also having to have the Engine completely replaced. I haven’t looked it up, but my husband said there is a law suit out on something to do with the Kia tellride. I did love my Kia Telluride untill this and dealing only with the local Kia dealer and not having any other mechanic to take it to if it is under warranty is a real pain. I would love to buy another Kia telluride but am concerned if this engine thing will get figured out. Let me now if you think the HOnda pilot trailsport or maybe the Toyota Four runner 2025 would work?

 

[stevem5215]

Engines in KIA have been known to be a problem. The 100k warranty is what people count on for a useable car. Sorry to hear it's been 3 weeks of pain. There is a fine line between loving a vehicle and hating a vehicle. And it usually involves a serious failure and dealer pain. AS for what car would be reliable ? That's a good question. Buy any car and you take your chances. New or used. With new you get the warranty. Consumer reports lists reliable vehicles based on consumer feedback. It's got some merit in my opinion.

 

[ISO Truck]

I am trying to figure out a new 3 row seater that off roads on farms and possibly muddy roads. I have had a 2022 Kia telluride that is currently being fixed because the engine was having a knocking noise at 40000 miles. We had to Wait 3 weeks of a bunch of back and forth with thier Kia engineering and our local dealer just to find out that the engine has to be replaced. Some 2024 are also having to have the Engine completely replaced. I haven’t looked it up, but my husband said there is a law suit out on something to do with the Kia tellride. I did love my Kia Telluride untill this and dealing only with the local Kia dealer and not having any other mechanic to take it to if it is under warranty is a real pain. I would love to buy another Kia telluride but am concerned if this engine thing will get figured out. Let me now if you think the HOnda pilot trailsport or maybe the Toyota Four runner 2025 would work?

Hi Ashley,

Since you’re looking for three rows, that rules out the Toyota FourRunner. Toyota’s comparable offering to the Pilot would be the Highlander. Better yet their Grand Highlander offers extra space and a nice hybrid drive system.

But you also mention muddy roads and farm use. For a vehicle that is going to see a lot of rough conditions, I would be looking at the Chevy Tahoe/Suburban. These models are offered with a very impressive and fuel efficient turbodiesel engine, which would be my choice.

Best of luck and fire away with any additional questions.

 

[Beaumontian]

Yeah, I agree with the above poster, you want 3 rows and rough road capability, can't beat an actual V8 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban.

 

[Sparkland]

Hi Ashley,

Since you’re looking for three rows, that rules out the Toyota FourRunner. Toyota’s comparable offering to the Pilot would be the Highlander. Better yet their Grand Highlander offers extra space and a nice hybrid drive system.

But you also mention muddy roads and farm use. For a vehicle that is going to see a lot of rough conditions, I would be looking at the Chevy Tahoe/Suburban. These models are offered with a very impressive and fuel efficient turbodiesel engine, which would be my choice.

Best of luck and fire away with any additional questions.

A couple of versions of the new 4Runner have 3 rows, but it will be a cramped space.

 

[ISO Truck]

A couple of versions of the new 4Runner have 3 rows, but it will be a cramped space.

Oh, I had not heard about that. Thanks for the correction.

And yeah, that WILL be cramped. Very odd they would offer a third row in the 4Runner but not the new LandCruiser.

 

[OmahaJeff]

Hi Ashley,

Since you’re looking for three rows, that rules out the Toyota FourRunner. Toyota’s comparable offering to the Pilot would be the Highlander. Better yet their Grand Highlander offers extra space and a nice hybrid drive system.

But you also mention muddy roads and farm use. For a vehicle that is going to see a lot of rough conditions, I would be looking at the Chevy Tahoe/Suburban. These models are offered with a very impressive and fuel efficient turbodiesel engine, which would be my choice.

Best of luck and fire away with any additional questions.

The 4R does have 3 rows in top trims. It wouldn’t be a bad choice for the farm, but kinda pricey in the higher trims.

The Pilot Trailsport is an awesome vehicle. I’m sure if you check it out you will be impressed.

Unless you’re doing trucky things with the SUV like hauling bricks or rock climbing or something, a unibody SUV will work fine, and in fact the suspension will likely be more to your liking on things like gravel roads, rubboard surfaces, etc.

The Chevy Tahoe starts at $6K over the Pilot TS, and goes up from there, so IMO a very expensive toy for the farm. Plus big and gas guzzly and hard to park in town.

I wouldn’t buy a diesel anything unless I were towing a ton, but living on a farm maybe you’re used to diesel. In town it doesn’t really make sense.

 

[14v6]

I am trying to figure out a new 3 row seater that off roads on farms and possibly muddy roads. I have had a 2022 Kia telluride that is currently being fixed because the engine was having a knocking noise at 40000 miles. We had to Wait 3 weeks of a bunch of back and forth with thier Kia engineering and our local dealer just to find out that the engine has to be replaced. Some 2024 are also having to have the Engine completely replaced. I haven’t looked it up, but my husband said there is a law suit out on something to do with the Kia tellride. I did love my Kia Telluride untill this and dealing only with the local Kia dealer and not having any other mechanic to take it to if it is under warranty is a real pain. I would love to buy another Kia telluride but am concerned if this engine thing will get figured out. Let me now if you think the HOnda pilot trailsport or maybe the Toyota Four runner 2025 would work?

Be sure to test drive for features and drive. However, the one thing you can't test drive is RELIABILITY. Nothing will top the current 4 Runner in that department so if that's a top priority your search ends there. Discounts should be available as well since an all new model is hitting the market. Love that the rear window glass is power operated.

For the second best choices, Highlander, Grand Highlander and Pilot. Grand Highlander and Pilot are new while the Highlander has a newer engine so research. Grand Highlander will be roomy and offers several powertrains. Current Pilot IMO looks dated on the inside already and check the forums to see pattern problem areas.

Good Luck

 

[geezee60]

I thought the title of this thread was the Pilot came in last to these other models. Maybe I misunderstood the metric(s) used for ranking the vehicles ?! One point though, why doesn't the Pilot use the RL 9 speed instead of this new-ish 10 speed ?

 

[ISO Truck]

I thought the title of this thread was the Pilot came in last to these other models. Maybe I misunderstood the metric(s) used for ranking the vehicles ?! One point though, why doesn't the Pilot use the RL 9 speed instead of this new-ish 10 speed ?

The ZF 9-speed was pretty much an emergency stop-gap measure when Honda found itself without a reliable automatic transmission. Honda has finally finished developing and fielding their own automatic transmission to replace their prior problematic 6-speed. They will no longer need to outsource to ZF for 9-speed transmissions. As new generations of models are introduced, the Honda 10-speed will replace whatever had been in use.