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The price I will pay is that at 60K it will cost me a grand to change it out - what Im doing is characterized as severe based on heat (belts #`1 enemy =heat) and the lower mile change out schedule prevails.



UD
You can probably defer changing out the accessories until 120k, so might only cost you $800. If you have a good in-house mechanic, they could probably change it out for you.
 
Let-er spin if she wants to- in 4th gear at just under 4K you'll be at around 70 MPH so just let it rip.

I spun it for at least an hour if not more at that speed in the similar temps on the way to Havasu last weekend and back through some large hills.

between lugging it and revving it always chose the RPM - if you sense it lugging click the d4 switch - I found it downshifted quite well, but I was always on the switch in case I felt it dragging down.

A bit faster RPM in an NA vehicle towing is always good thing - the water pump is turning faster as is the trans pump and there is no time for detonation to take place.

You anxiety is sign of being aware of the task , but I believe you'll find the Ridge will handle it easily.

UD
I managed to get out of 101° Phoenix at 10am and headed up to Flagstaff. All of my fears about heat turned out to be big nothing burger. The temp gauge never moved. At all. 2,700lb trailer, 2-1/2 people, gas and turned out the RV dealership added 200lbs of water just to be helpful. I felt being conservative in my driving couldn't hurt so I kept it around 65 or so. Even managed to accelerate enough to competently pass some slower traffic on long stretches of 6% grade. No probs.

The trip turned out to be two very different sections, however. The 65mph section below 4,000' in 4th and 5th gear and the 55-65mph section above 4,000' in 3rd and 4th. Below 4K the engine never revved higher than 4.2K. Above 4,000 feet it had a much harder time maintaining speed in 4th. It would downshift to 3rd and dig pretty deep into the vtec. I just avoided too much of that by slowing down. The last section up to 6,500' was quite a grind.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the whole experience and it bodes well for trips around the mountain west. If I didn't have to keep up highways speeds it would have been a piece of cake. It managed about 13.5mpg (measured) hauling almost 8,000lbs well over a mile up. I think I'll keep it!
 
I spent hours climbing to and back the lake through the desert right in this zone last week with 5000 on the hitch in 100+ temps.

As a % of RPM availability this is a large RPM to have available under high way speed towing area compared to lots of cam in block designs

The ridge is making real good power and torque here for a 5K load and seems to step rightist Vtec when more is called for.

Its incredibly well balanced and smooth- (better than almost anything Ive owned but my ilmor 710 and Ive owned a lot of **** ) VQ30,vq35, VQ45, and sings like a sewing machine at this RPM.

Im adding my old 93 lightning to the list of trucks this is better than as even though it had more power and torque the 4 speed box never put it in the right place to actually be a decent tow-er so you were either bogging or screaming.



UD
awesome MPG towing 5000 lbs! Thats like diesel territory
 
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I managed to get out of 101° Phoenix at 10am and headed up to Flagstaff. All of my fears about heat turned out to be big nothing burger. The temp gauge never moved. At all. 2,700lb trailer, 2-1/2 people, gas and turned out the RV dealership added 200lbs of water just to be helpful. I felt being conservative in my driving couldn't hurt so I kept it around 65 or so. Even managed to accelerate enough to competently pass some slower traffic on long stretches of 6% grade. No probs.

The trip turned out to be two very different sections, however. The 65mph section below 4,000' in 4th and 5th gear and the 55-65mph section above 4,000' in 3rd and 4th. Below 4K the engine never revved higher than 4.2K. Above 4,000 feet it had a much harder time maintaining speed in 4th. It would downshift to 3rd and dig pretty deep into the vtec. I just avoided too much of that by slowing down. The last section up to 6,500' was quite a grind.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the whole experience and it bodes well for trips around the mountain west. If I didn't have to keep up highways speeds it would have been a piece of cake. It managed about 13.5mpg (measured) hauling almost 8,000lbs well over a mile up. I think I'll keep it!
Glad it all worked out for you.

How'd you go from hauling a 2700 LB trailer + 2.5 people and water to hauling 8000LB?

Take any picts for us?

Thanks!

UD
 
Glad it all worked out for you.

How'd you go from hauling a 2700 LB trailer + 2.5 people and water to hauling 8000LB?

Take any picts for us?

Thanks!

UD
I suspect he is including the weight of the truck.

It is rather impressive when you think about it. A powertrain moving 4 tons of weight at 60-65mpg at mile-high elevations through hills, and averaging 13.5 miles of distance for every gallon milk jug of gasoline consumed.
 
I suspect he is including the weight of the truck.

It is rather impressive when you think about it. A powertrain moving 4 tons of weight at 60-65mpg at mile-high elevations through hills, and averaging 13.5 miles of distance for every gallon milk jug of gasoline consumed.
Yeah makes sense then.

The ridge is a very efficient tower- almost diesel like.

UD

awesome MPG towing 5000 lbs! Thats like diesel territory
It is very impressive to me. Even factoring in the dash is typically a bit optimistic its still impressive.

trucking along in the flats at 65 with 5K on the hitch and getting 17+ is killer.

The multi stage climb from Corona to the Ehrenberg getting 15+ is amazing.




UD
 
I imagine this question has been asked and answered but when towing a small pop up, let's say 2000 lbs, 3 people and some gear do I just leave the Ridgeline in "D" or should I use D4? Driving mainly flat highways.
On another note, when trying to park the pop up in a very ackward spot (lot's of backing up, pulling forward etc) was the engine fan ever kicking into high gear, thought I was maybe doing some harm? comments?

thanks,
 
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I imagine this question has been asked and answered but when towing a small pop up, let's say 2000 lbs, 3 people and some gear do I just leave the Ridgeline in "D" or should I use D4? Driving mainly flat highways.
On another note, when trying to park the pop up in a very ackward spot (lot's of backing up, pulling forward etc) was the engine fan ever kicking into high gear, thought I was maybe doing some harm? comments?

thanks,
Id just leave it in D under those circumstances.

Unless you got an overheat warning you weren't even close and even then it will reduce power to prevent damage so you are all good.

UD
 
Id just leave it in D under those circumstances.

Unless you got an overheat warning you weren't even close and even then it will reduce power to prevent damage so you are all good.

UD
I leave in D towing my nearly 5,000 lb boat in hilly terrain (not mountainous but about a 800 ft vert climb over 260 miles). I got 17.0 mpg (Fuelly hand calc) which was only 3 mpg less than my best tow on the same route with my previous 2015 RAM EcoD.

The G2 is nearly diesel mpg on loads under 5K lbs. You really can't beat it and this trailer (est tongue weight of 375 lbs being a boat trailer) only squats the G2 1.5 inches (the RAM squatted 1.25 inches).

As another ROCer said 'If the RL isn't a REAL truck, how can it be so good at doing REAL truck things?'

EDIT: Adding boat pic and data. Glastron GXL 205 with VP 5.0L V8. EZ Loader trailer (steel and about the largest single axle boat trailer available).

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I leave in D towing my nearly 5,000 lb boat in hilly terrain (not mountainous but about a 800 ft vert climb over 260 miles). I got 17.0 mpg (Fuelly hand calc) which was only 3 mpg less than my best tow on the same route with my previous 2015 RAM EcoD.

The G2 is nearly diesel mpg on loads under 5K lbs. You really can't beat it and this trailer (est tongue weight of 375 lbs being a boat trailer) only squats the G2 1.5 inches (the RAM squatted 1.25 inches).

As another ROCer said 'If the RL isn't a REAL truck, how can it be so good at doing REAL truck things?'
Even in big hills I let the rig do the shifting almost the whole time.

The mileage you state tracks identically with my experience on the leg from Ehrenberg to Parker Az.

On a 100 degree route I saw 17.3 and it was rising. I'm impressed with the efficiency under max tow. 10-20 degrees cooler would have bumped it even more.

3 MPGH simply isnt enough to justify the added purchase, fuel cost, complexity, and higher long term maintenance delta of the turbo diesel in this scenario. They have a place - but the scenario swings to the Ridgeline.

UD
 
I towed my travel trailer twice. Just this past week we went camping at Lake George NY and got a mpg of 11.8. for a total of 625 miles round trip. Trailer empty weight supposedly 3200lbs. Is it because the boat is more aerodynamic than the TT that dropped my MPG? Was doing 65mph the whole way.
 
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I towed my travel trailer twice. Just this past week we went camping at Lake George NY and got a mpg of 11.8. for a total of 625 miles round trip. Trailer empty weight supposedly 3200lbs. Is it because the boat is more aerodynamic than the TT that dropped my MPG? Was doing 65mph the whole way.
The difference is probably 2fold---

The boat is definitely more aerodynamic than a TT - by a lot.

"Empty weight" is usually way off from realized weight as used.

Empty weight* is one of those tricky #'s that includes "options*"

...and of course - food water, ice, propane etc.....bed sheets, TP, soap. silverware - all that stuff weighs more than most people think.


UD
 
This is a great thread glad I found it as I am considering the new Ridgeline as my next vehicle. Currently I drive an SUV. Also wife and I are heavy campers as we average about 60 nights a year and usually a 2-3 week long trip somewhere in North America and have been doing this for the last 28 years. We started out with fold down trailers and moved up to hybrids and then travel trailers about 10 years ago and just purchased a new couples model trailer this June.

I am sure there are other threads with people towing travel trailers so I will check those out as well just have to find them all.

One of the people in our camping group has a 2017 Ridgeline and tows an Airstream and is very satisfied on how it did on their big trip of ~10,000 mi (~17,000 km) through out the US and parts of Canada.

I towed my travel trailer twice. Just this past week we went camping at Lake George NY and got a mpg of 11.8. for a total of 625 miles round trip. Trailer empty weight supposedly 3200lbs. Is it because the boat is more aerodynamic than the TT that dropped my MPG? Was doing 65mph the whole way.
From all of my experience the aerodynamics of what you are towing play a much bigger part on your MPGs than weight of the trailer. The weight to me mainly comes into play starting and climbing but wind resistance is any time you are moving. Boats in general are easier to pull then full height travel trailers. Travel trailers with a more aerodynamic front end (curved or sloped nose) are easier then trailers with a near vertical front design, and the Airstream being the best out of all travel trailers I have tried (no I don't own one LOL).

Davegvg is correct in stating that the empty weight is most likely not the weight you were towing at the time. The only way to truly know is to get out to a certified scale and weigh your trailer loaded for a typical trip you would take. I always weigh any new trailer we get the first few times until we get consistent on how we load it on a regular basis and that way I understand where I am at for axle weights, tongue weight, etc.
 
"Empty" (UVW) of our travel trailer - per the yellow sticker applied at the factory - is 3,853lbs. But when we are loaded up for a typical camping trip our CAT Scale weight comes in at 4,600-4,700lbs. We do not carry any fresh water to speak of, and at over 8lbs per gallon you can see why.

The weight is absolutely a factor but wind resistance even more so when towing a full profile travel trailer. And our peak torque of 262lb/ft is produced only at high rpms, hence one reason why the tranny on our Ridgelines will want to downshift to reach those higher rpms under loads like wind resistance, grades, etc. The manual counsels using D4 when in hilly terrain (sorry don't have it in front of me to quote the exact verbiage) to avoid excessive shifting and its consequential heat buildup. In our recent ~3,000+ mile towing round trip to eastern Ohio the truck natively handled the grades we encountered without me ever having to use D4 (Missouri's Ozark Mountains being the stiffest test). Fortunately over our years of towing higher loads like ours we have found both the G1 & G2 tranny to be stout and reliable. Just mind your fluid changes and the manual's advice on the degree of heavy duty useage.

It's a whole different and much easier story when towing our ~3,800lb (when fully loaded up and fueled for a fishing trip on the bay) Tahoe Q5i/SF. With comparatively much less wind resistance the tranny drops down to 5th occasionally. But the vast majority of my fishing trips are flat, coastal plain type runs, so there is that.
 

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I towed my travel trailer twice. Just this past week we went camping at Lake George NY and got a mpg of 11.8. for a total of 625 miles round trip. Trailer empty weight supposedly 3200lbs. Is it because the boat is more aerodynamic than the TT that dropped my MPG? Was doing 65mph the whole way.
Find a local scale and get an actual loaded weight, otherwise your just guessing. ;)

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..........In our recent ~3,000+ mile towing round trip to eastern Ohio the truck natively handled the grades we encountered without me ever having to use D4 (Missouri's Ozark Mountains being the stiffest test). Fortunately over our years of towing higher loads like ours we have found both the G1 & G2 tranny to be stout and reliable. Just mind your fluid changes and the manual's advice on the degree of heavy duty useage.......
This is good information for a prospective buyer. It sounds like you are very pleased with purchasing the new Ridgeline. Proper maintenance is always important but especially when you are towing or using your vehicle for sever duty then it may need to be increased accordingly. Not to highjack the thread but what was your RPMs on relatively flat and what would it be climbing moderate grades that would be encountered. Also what speed do you tow when on the interstate. Finally how do you like your Freedom Express, we just bought an '18 FE 246 RKS model.

Find a local scale and get an actual loaded weight, otherwise your just guessing. ;)
100% agreed on getting the set up weighed.


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I towed my travel trailer twice. Just this past week we went camping at Lake George NY and got a mpg of 11.8. for a total of 625 miles round trip. Trailer empty weight supposedly 3200lbs. Is it because the boat is more aerodynamic than the TT that dropped my MPG? Was doing 65mph the whole way.
See my post in this thread on TT weights and Carsmak's advice on going to a scale and getting weighed (this is actually very easy; your manual walks you through the process; watch some YouTube videos to illustrate).

Also very important, examine your trailer's tire sidewall to discern two things: (1) the speed rating of the tires; (2) the maximum allowed psi. Advice . . . (1) when towing be sure you stay under the maximum speed rating of the trailer's tires - and that is unique to your TT and boat trailer tires; (2) make sure you air your trailer tires up to the maximum specified on the sidewalls - this is a design feature to reduce heat buildup and increase towing stability. Heat is the worst enemy of trailer tires (think of not only rolling resistance on the highway but the constant flexing of the sidewalls as you move over varying road surfaces).

And huge apologies if you already know this stuff! No offense intended; it's just sort of the nature of information exchange that happens on an Internet forum.

We tow our TT at or around 60-61mph on cruise control 90% of the time. (The speed rating of our Goodyear Endurance tires is actually 81mph, but of course I would never dream of towing anywhere near those kinds of speeds.) I will intervene manually occasionally to introduce human logic to override the cruise control. Our recent ~3,000 mile camping round trip to eastern Ohio yielded a hand calculated 10.77 mpg. That's with lots of hills and long grades but most of all strong headwinds as we turned southward back to the Houston area. Wind is your biggest battle to overcome with a travel trailer - unless you drive a diesel.
 
Thanks for the replies. I haven't checked the tire pressure because I need a gauge that reads 85psi. I will also look into the speed as well. This is our second time with the trailer.

We purchased the G2 sole purpose was to pull a TT that we didn't have yet. I haven't put it on a scale either. Thats something I want to do but dont know where and dont have time. Truck stops? It's a good because I can see if Im close to the max. On our first trip, 3kids, 3 adults, loaded with 3 bikes in the bed, cooler full of food, bottle water, full tank of gas, fire wood, and table. I mean it was loaded. I felt the back of the truck was floating alittle when the TT hit a bump. Like it took an extra bounce to settle. I have a WDH, with out that the rear would be squatting.

2nd trip, it felt alot lighter, I took out 1 adult, fire wood, table, and food.

3rd would be even lighter without the bikes. But will have to carry freshwater though.

I feel like the payload in the truck plays a huge difference when towing, maybe not huge but it feels better with less weight in the truck. Should I put everything in the TT when I'm towing?

The G2 does a great job at towing it. We haven't put fresh water in it yet for long trips but will soon for our FL Disney trip. That's going to be challenge.
 
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Most truck stops have a scale or you can look up and find the nearest cat scale

https://catscale.com

With smaller rigs like this I prefer putting some weight in the truck if I can vs taking it all on the hitch.

I'll put 2 30 gallon barrels in the bed snuggled up to the cab vs 30 in the TT as long as I'm in spec.

Ill roll them to the rear of the bed and use a siphon to fill the TT.

60 will get you a bunch of showers, flushes and washing with a 1.5 GPM showerhead.

You can also tow dry this way and go fill them up on a solo run.

UD
 
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