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You know that feeling you get when you test drive a brand new car then get back in your old used one? Well, I had that feeling today, but it wasn’t what I expected.

This morning, I spent two hours with a new Cybertruck. I looked over the exterior and interior, moved everything, opened and closed everything - including the motorized glovebox, used the touchscreens, and drove for about an hour on back roads, highways, and parking lots.

I first looked over the exterior. Some of the edges of the stainless steel panels were sharp, but not nearly as sharp as the composite bed of my Ridgeline that sliced my finger open. When looking nearly straight down the side, you can see waviness in the flat panels just as you can with nearly any flat metal surface. I touch, tapped, and banged on the panels. they're tough - I don't think you'll be getting any parking lot dings in this contraption. Panel alignment and gaps were very good - better than my Model Y, which was already acceptable in this regard.

Next, I unlocked the vehicle by placing the key card on the B-pillar then pushed the door release button. After the door unlatches, an actuator pushes it open far enough for you to get your fingers behind it and pull it open. The door was heavy and it took considerable effort to overcome the tension of the door checker. This was probably a good thing because it was very windy this morning and the truck was parked closely in between two other new vehicles.

Entering the vehicle was easy since the air suspension lowers itself for entry and exit. The general design and layout was typical Tesla and thus very familiar - it was easy to identify what few physical controls existed based on my previous experience and what I remember from watching reviews. In person, the interior design, materials, and feel were all higher-quality than what I expected from videos. There were plenty of soft-touch materials including padded vinyl and suede with some touches of aluminum trim. The top of the dash is HUGE and the front edge is far, far away. Cleaning the inside of the windshield would probably require a mop with a long handle (not kidding). There is absolutely no sight of the short hood - it's feel like the vehicle stops at the front of the dash. It is very different and will require care and practice not to bump into things - thank goodness for the front bumper camera and self-parking feature.

Like other Teslas, you simply approach the vehicle, enter, then press the brake pedal to "start" it. You swipe the top, left of the touchscreen up for drive or down for reverse. If the touchscreen fails, there are backup PRND buttons that illuminate in the overhead console when you touch it.

After I got over how far away the front edge of the dash was, the next major thing I noticed was the effects of the steer-by-wire. You must forget everything you ever learned about the relationship between a steering wheel and the angle of the front wheels since there is no mechanical connection between the two in the Cybertruck and the relationship varies by speed. At low speeds, barely turning the steering wheel results in a large change in steering angle. No hand-over-hand steering here. You can keep your hands at 9 and 3 o'clock at all times - even in tight parking lots. At first, this caused me to turn much too sharply until my brain adapted to the new steering method, which only took a few turns. At higher speeds, the front wheels turn less so you don't end up driving sideways if the steering wheel gets moved too far. With just a little practice, it began to feel natural and made me wish all vehicles steered like this.

Based the weight of the doors, the heavy feel of the vehicle, and the price point, I expected a luxury car ride and noise level. This was my first significant let-down. The Cybertruck did not feel or sound as smooth or quiet as I expected and not significantly better than my Model Y. The whine from the electric motors is noticeably louder, but not objectionable and a somewhat pleasant sound as far as electric motor whine goes - I’m sure Tesla spent a lot of time tuning it to sound futuristic and powerful rather than like an electric chainsaw from Temu.

Until this point I was on smooth asphalt, but as soon as the road surface became less than perfect, I immediately heard a knocking/thumping rattle inside the dash and a creaking/rubbing noise from the driver's door among other interior noises. Various parts of the entire cabin creaked and rattled when driving over imperfect surfaces. It sounded like a vehicle that had hundreds of thousands of miles on it - not a few hundred miles. Surely, they're not all like this? That was awful. And, Tesla's warranty is iffy on such noises - officially covering them only if they result from a failed component. The advisor said, officially, they only address those noises if reported during the first 7 days or 100 miles, but off the record, said they often fix them under goodwill.

The Cybertruck has a newer and much more powerful self-driving computer than my Model Y and while it was smoother, it still got stuck at a couple of green lights and almost gave up during a U-turn. Full Self-Driving is still a work-in-progress even with the newest computer.

With the powered tonneau cover closed, the rear view is completely blocked. There is a (minimally small, cheap, and removable) rearview mirror for compliance, but even with the tonneau cover open, the mirror and rear window are so small that you can't see much. Instead, a view of the rear camera displays on the touchscreen.

Typical of other Teslas I've been in, the climate control and audio system were both outstanding. I forgot how nice ventilated seats are on a warm day (as I type this, it is sunny and a very unusual 82ºF in the first week of February here in Texas). The power windows are very smooth and quiet. I found the front seats, driving position, and squircle steering wheel to be comfortable. The rear seat bottoms fold up just like the Ridgeline's, but there are no stands/legs taking space below them when they are down. There is a 120V/20A receptacle in the center console and two 120V/20A and one 240V/40A receptacles in the bed.

Like the Ridgeline, the Cybertruck has an in-bed trunk. It uses gas struts instead of springs to save space, but isn't as voluminous as the Ridgeline's and there is no spare tire or tire repair kit. The bed is longer than the Ridgeline's and there are L-Track rails on the sides. LED lights run the length of both sides of the bed. The tailgate has a power open, but manual close with assist, so it is lighter than the Ridgeline's. The tailgate opens only down, so you have to reach over it to access the trunk. The front trunk is big enough for a few grocery bags, but that's about it. I like that it is powered and can be opened from the touchscreen, exterior button, or mobile app.

The gigantic windshield "uniwiper" is almost comical. it looks like a crop sprayer when using the windshield washer because fluid sprays out of multiple nozzle located along the entire blade.

Now, let's talk about that stainless steel exterior. It already had more fingerprints than a refrigerator in children’s day care facility before I arrived and had more after I was done. Rubbing them only made them larger and more prominent. It must be accepted that this vehicle will always have very visible fingerprints, smudges, water spots, streaks, and runs. It looked like someone poured acid on it after I used the windshield washer for a few seconds. This is NOT a vehicle for clean freaks. It can be cleaned, but you would literally have to use a cleaner and cloth every time you closed a door - or wear gloves. The good thing is that parking lot dings and paint chips (because there is no paint) are of no concern. Scuffs and scratches can be fixed at home using a few different grits of sandpaper and a sander (true story - instructions are in Tesla's service information).

Sleeping accommodations are important to me. The front seats do not recline anywhere near flat. Lying in the rear seat (or floor after folding up the rear seat bottoms) doesn't work unless you are a child. I can fit in the bed, but it is isolated from the cabin so there is no climate control. This remains one of my biggest objections to the Cybertruck because of how I use a vehicle.

Overall, I like that the Cybertruck exists. It's fun and cool to see something so incredibly different in a sea of "me, too" vehicles. I appreciate the things you can’t see such as the 48-volt low-voltage architecture and communications bus from an engineering perspective, but those are more important to Tesla than they are to the consumer. I already knew the downsides of having a bare metal exterior. I already knew it wasn't comfortable to sleep in. What I didn't expect was that it wasn’t significantly quieter than my much-less-expensive Model Y, didn’t ride significantly smoother, and had many assorted rattles in the interior.

During my drives, it seemed like everybody stared at me. Kids were jumping around, pointing, and smiling while their parents looked like they wanted to flip me off (not joking).

Based on my experience today, I am crossing the Cybertruck off my shopping list for now. I counted ten new examples sitting in inventory at the small Tesla location I visited and dozens of other Tesla models - mostly "old" Model Ys. Two years ago when I bought my Model Y, you'd be lucky to see a few Teslas on the lot there. So far, the Cybertruck seems like more of a “look at me!” piece with too many compromises than anything else.

I might be able to to get past the fingerprint and stain-prone exterior by learning new methods to clean and repair it. I might have been less agitated by the ride and quietness if not for the interior rattles that made the vehicle feel poorly designed and assembled.

I could have paid cash for one and drove it home today, but I didn’t. Had it met my expectations for quietness and smoothness and had a rattle-free interior I would have considered buying one as a second vehicle, keeping my “old” Model Y, and selling my MX-5 Miata. If I also had a fold-flat front seat like Ford offers, I would have considered replacing my Model Y with a Cybertruck.

I am glad I drove it before buying one. Had I done the opposite like I did with my Model Y and the experience matched today’s test drive, I would have been regretful, disappointed, frustrated, disgusted, angry, and perhaps a few other negative emotions.

This Tesla location expects to have a new Model Y available for demo drives in a few weeks. I look forward to driving it and suspect it will leave a much better impression compared to my current Model Y than the Cybertruck did. I would like to drive another Cybertruck for comparison.

When I returned it to the Tesla store and approached the smiling employee, he asked what I thought about it. I told him that I wasn’t impressed and probably wouldn’t buy one. He genuinely seemed to not have expected my response.

Later, I received a follow-up call from a Tesla employee asking me how the demo drive went and if I had any questions about the vehicle. I told him the same thing I told the employee at the Tesla store and there was an awkward moment of silence before he replied something like, “oh, wow - that’s…not what we normally hear”.

As far as the demo drive process, it’s nice to be able to test drive a vehicle without commissioned salespeople breathing down your neck and no small talk used to qualify you and figure out how much money they’ll be able to squeeze out of you. The Tesla store employees don’t care if you buy a vehicle or not - I like that.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
@zroger73 Did you take any interior pics or videos? I'm very curious to see the interactions between driving modes and the overall UX.
Nah - I figure there are plenty of photos and videos already out there and I didn't have anything new to show that hasn't been shown before.

During the first drive, the Tesla advisor was with me. As soon as we pulled out of the parking lot and I noticed that the ride wasn't as smooth as I expected, I asked if there was a way to adjust the suspension damping for a smoother ride. He said no - only the height could be adjusted. I believed this to be factually incorrect and later confirmed that there was indeed a setting for suspension firmness in addition to ride height. It was already in the "relaxed" (soft) setting. "Focused" (firm) resulted in a slightly harsher ride, but I didn't notice a major difference - at least on public roads. That feature has no value to me since it would always be on "relaxed".

The height-adjustable suspension was fun to play with. With the touch of a button, you could transform the truck into a "low rider" or raise it so high that it looked like it was on stilts - especially with the standard wheels with less-aggressive all-season tires. That feature has no significant value for me, either, since I never go off road. It only took a few seconds to lower or raise. Lowering was a bit faster. The compressor was audible, but not too loud.

Selecting Off-Road Mode displays additional information such front and rear motor and battery temperatures, available ground clearance, overall height, tire pressures, vehicle speed in tenths of a unit instead of whole numbers along with roll, pitch, and heading angles.

The user interface was little different than that of any other Tesla - particularly a Model 3 or Model Y. The most obvious difference was a more angular font. There were more selections for the additional features that are unique to the Cybertruck such as the mechanical locking differentials, power outlets, auxiliary power, and powered tonneau cover.
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
Interesting about the rattles. I test drove one and took it off rough roads with no squeaks or rattles. That said, this speaks to still spotty build quality.
When I mentioned rattles, noise, and ride, current Cybertruck owners and shills basically told me I was full of bad gas - I just figured that was confirmation bias. Tesla employees acted surprised, too, but I figured that's because...well...they work for Tesla. Current owners who spent $80K to $120K or more don't want to admit that their purchases aren't perfect while paid reviewers tend to dismiss a lot of the frosting and focus on the cake - they don't necessarily report the kinds of things that most owners will notice. For example, unless rattles were so bad that it sounded like there was someone playing drums in the back seat, they might gloss over this and think, "eh - it's not that bad" or "this can be fixed" or "it's not my vehicle, so I'm not too concerned about this or that noise". During my test drive, I was careful to pay attention to things that I would notice if that vehicle belonged to me - and squeaks and rattles have always been one thing that can sour my ownership experience faster than nearly anything else.

Inconsistent (not necessarily poor) assembly quality may still be very much alive at Tesla. I was impressed with the exterior assembly quality. All of the stainless steel panels appeared to be perfectly aligned and the gaps between them were consistent around the vehicle even upon close inspection - this appears to be something Tesla has addressed since the early Cybertrucks. It was somewhere between comical and frustrating that Tesla is still installing a pop-rivet to hold the accelerator pedal cover in place rather than fixing the root cause since a recall for this issue was issued almost a year ago.
 
Discussion starter · #10 · (Edited)
Oh, I forgot to add that there was this really bizarre sensation of feeling movement in the driver's seat while stopped. The first few times, I thought it was just the wind causing the vehicle to shake, but then I ran an EKG on my Apple Watch and noticed that the movement corresponded exactly with my heartbeat. I hypothesize that the geometry of my body and the seat resulted in a resonance that amplified my pulse.
 
Discussion starter · #14 ·
Car Confections has a list of overall sound levels at 55 MPH for hundreds of vehicles they have tested.

Loudest
2023 Corvette Z06 at 64.5 dB
[...]
2023 Ridgeline at 56.5 dB
[...]
2025 Cybertruck at 53.2 dB
[...]
2025 X7 40i at 49.2 dB
Quietest

Keep in mind these overall SPLs are very subjective when it comes to how loud a vehicle seems and how pleasing the distribution of frequencies is - the rumble of a V8's exhaust may seem quieter and more pleasing than a high-pitched gear whine or wind whistle even though those might be technically much quieter.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
The cybertruck seems to be the least Tesla, Tesla. Its design seems not fully matured, almost child-like.

The cybertrucks position in the Tesla line seems to reflect the emotional state of the companies leadership. I have some experience with the model 3 and Y and can appreciate what they offer. They are decent vehicles. However the company has seemed to take a turn in the wrong direction.
I agree. Given the historical focus on efficiency, a Cybertruck that uses 50% more resources and energy than a Model Y seems counter to Tesla's mission. I understand the function over form of the stainless steel exterior, but let's face it (and Tesla knows it), the vast majority of Cybertrucks will not be used as pickups to haul, tow, or go off-road anywhere near frequently enough to justify their existence. They seem to primarily be toys for celebrities, influencers, the wealthy, and those who want attention. It seems to me that the Cybertruck exists primarily because most people said, "you can't do that" and to serve as a testbed and showcase for new technologies.

What happens if they don't sell anywhere near as many as they hoped and decide to cancel it? Will they keep building parts for it to replace those that fail or get damaged or will it end up like...oh...you know...the DeLorean? Perhaps a lease would be more appropriate for a Cybertruck for now since the future of the model is less certain.
 
Discussion starter · #20 ·
We closely looked at cybertruck when we decided to move up from our Mazda CX-5. One of the things that dissuaded us was this YouTube video of a recent cybertruck owner. He liked some features but was turned off by others. Take a look

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I haven't watched that whole video, but the first two objections he mentioned at the 16:06 time stamp you linked to are invalid.

First, he complained that if he left the vehicle at an airport, it would have less charge when he returned because the "battery temperature needed to stay regulated". That's false. What he is referring to and apparently doesn't realize is a feature called Cabin Overheat Protection that is optional and has nothing to do with the battery. It is used to keep the cabin from getting too hot if you have sensitive items stored inside. Another thing that causes the battery to drain is Sentry Mode, which uses power to keep all the cameras on and if the vehicle detects suspicious activity, records it. This is also an optional feature. If you turn off COP and Sentry Mode and let the vehicle sleep, the battery will discharge less than 1% per day. Before it completely discharges, it will stop maintaining the low-voltage battery and when it discharges, the vehicle will required a low-voltage jump start.

Second, he was concerned about plugging in the vehicle to charge while it is raining. He must not understand that high voltage is not present until after the vehicle is plugged in and a series of electrical checks are performed. Rain presents absolutely no safety issue or other problem when charging EVs. If you've ever charged an EV, you'll know that it doesn't charge the instant you plug it in. You plug it in, electrical tests are performed, and if everything is okay, then completes a circuit to allow high voltage. Until these tests are performed and the vehicle requests charging to start, there is no high voltage on the charging cable. You could stick in your bathwater and nothing will happen.

Maybe I'll watch the rest of the video to see if there are more myths to bust. :)
 
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Maybe I'll watch the rest of the video to see if there are more myths to bust. :)
Problem #1 - Fingerprints, stains, streaks. He's right about that!

Problem #2 - Bugs on the front. Yes - that happens to all vehicles.

Problem #3 - Wiper operation. I believe a software update now allows the wiper to remain in the horizontal position for a period of time to address his primary complaint.

Windshield replacement. The man is complaining about how it flexes while he is standing on it! He complains about how much is might cost or how long it might take to replace, but doesn't know how much or long because he hasn't had to replace it.

Problem #4 - Afraid dash might fade...but, it hasn't yet. Really?

Problem #5 - Steering wheel shape does not allow driving with legs. Really?

Sponsored ad for Bluetti: He demonstrates using a 2 kWh Bluetti portable power station to charge the Cybertruck. That'll get it about 4 miles of range after about an hour and a half of charging.

Problem #6 - No Autopilot. A software update sent out long before his review was published added Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capability to the Cybertruck. It appears his particular vehicle needs a camera alignment, so why hasn't he done that? It's easy to do by touching one button on the maintenance screen.

Problem #7 - Concerned about debris accumulating in body panels. Yes - that happens with all vehicles. Is this his first one?

Concerned about saltwater ruining the battery. Um - don't submerge the vehicle in saltwater!

Complaint about nearest Tesla service center being 45 minutes away. Same here.

Complaint about losing wallet. You should see how long it takes me to find and retrieve my keyfob when it falls out of my pocket in my Miata!

Complaint about climate control car shutting off when he works in the back seat and closes the door. Use Camp Mode. The climate control and audio system will run for days on a full charge.

Problem #8? (I got lost because the number of problems doesn't correspond to the...number of problems.)

Flapping charge port door. That needs fixed - it's not normal. For all I know, he forced it open and stripped it out because he didn't know how to properly open it.

Ran into garage door "because there are no parking sensors". There is a huge rearview camera display that showed the door as he backed into it! Garage door was damaged "because of the truck's sharp edges". No - the garage door was damaged because he wasn't paying attention!

Complaint: No customer service. No humans in case of emergency. Hmmm. I've spoken with humans at Tesla - you do have to wait on hold for a while, though. And, I got a response within seconds when I had to use roadside assistance by reporting it through the app. It took a while for the tow truck to arrive, but that wasn't Tesla's fault. And, there are humans at the local Tesla store.

He complains about having paid $101K for the vehicle and now you can buy a similar vehicle for $72,500. Then, he complained about the depreciation. How is that Tesla's fault? Early adopters pay more! Nobody made him buy it...or sell it.

Complains that there is no dual climate control. Um - yes, there is. The driver and passenger can set different temperatures - I guess he just doesn't know how.

I know more about this truck after a 2-hour test drive than he does after having owned it for 6 months. How does this guy manage to function in life?
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
People keep saying that, but I'm wayyy to ugly to be in front of a camera. 🙈

Apparently, I have a "radio voice", though - or at least my employer thinks so since I have been voluntold to do voiceovers for our videos, automated attendant, and music-on-hold narration.
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
But if you think he's full-of-it, respond below the video and give your reasons as you did above.
Does YouTube allow that much text in comments? :)
 
Discussion starter · #27 ·
I would like to drive a different one. The Tesla store had ten Cybertrucks in stock, but only one available to test drive. I can't fathom them all being as bad as the one I drove. I also can't believe they allow that one to be used as a demo - it may have cost them a sale this weekend.

I would never wrap a vehicle - that just not my thing for a number of reasons. I would deal with fingerprints before I glued vinyl onto a vehicle.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
@zroger73 if you mentioned it, I missed it, but which trim level did you drive, and which tires did it have?
I drove the AWD (dual motor) trim with the all-season tires.

Although visually wimpy in comparison to the off-road wheels and tires, even the all-season tires are huge in person. I would also prefer the all-season tires for what might seem to be a strange reason: The wheel covers are round. On the off-road wheels, the wheel cover has spokes making it harder to apply tire dressing because you have to work around around the protrusions instead of applying in a faster circular motion.

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Discussion starter · #36 ·
Would be curious to read your thoughts about the Rivian truck (R1T). Anything in the works for that?
I appreciate that the R1T exists, but it has never interested me. I have a friend who has one. He prefers the Cybertruck, but refuses to buy or use any Tesla product or service because of Elon Musk - he won't even charge at a cheaper, more common, and more reliable Tesla Supercharger unless there is no other choice. Although he loves the R1T and has traveled (and towed!) all around the country in it on months-long adventures, he admits it has had a lot of problems.

I prefer the design, styling, and features of a Tesla over any other EV. If not for Tesla, I probably wouldn't yet own an EV. I'm not committed to the brand, though - if and when another company sells an EV that I like better, I'll certainly consider it.
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
Curious why.
I just don't like gluing a plastic film to a harder surface like metal or paint even if it sacrifices itself to help protect the surface it is glued to. It's like a giant bumper sticker for the whole vehicle. In the off chance I decide to keep a vehicle longer than my average of a year or two, I don't want to face yellowing, delamination, or removal/replacement of the product. Plus, I can buy a LOT of cleaner and cloths or touch-up paint and possibly even a paint job for the cost of a wrap or PPF.
 
Discussion starter · #45 ·
Moving on, what are your plans now?
I still dunno.

I've got 16,000 miles of full warranty and 86,000 miles of battery/motor/inverter warranty left on my Model Y.

I have funds for a Cybertruck.

I have enjoyed and continue to enjoy my Model Y, but there are many improvements to the new Model Y that I would like to have.

It seems pretty clear to me that I no longer have much interest in owning the MX-5 Miata even though I would probably miss it on the next warm, Summer evening.

It is also pretty clear that I really have no need for a truck, so my reasons for wanting a Cybertruck are:

  • It is dramatically different than anything else
  • It would be fun to talk about with friends, family members, co-workers, and others (at least for a while...until the novelty wears off)
  • I nerd out over the some of the mechanical and electrical engineering aspects that make it unique
  • I like the high-power AC outlets for camping or home backup
  • It would be nice not having to worry about getting door dings in parking lots and be able to sand out scuffs and scratches without the expense of repainting

What I don't like about the Cybertruck is:

  • The lack of sleeping accommodations in the cabin
  • The fact that it uses 50% more power than a Model Y. Currently, I do most of my Model Y's charging at free-to-me public charging locations without minimal inconvenience. More power use would require me to do more charging at home. Realistically, we're only talking about $30 more per month for electricity, so this is completely insignificant to me in financial terms - I've just grown accustomed to nearly free charging.
  • The high maintenance of the stainless steel exterior - or at least the perception of it. I know how to keep my stainless steel appliances looking new, but they live indoors. I have no experience maintaining a stainless steel automobile that is frequently exposed to rain, road film, bird droppings, tree sap, insects, etc. Maybe it's as simple as carrying around a can of Sprayway glass cleaner and a microfiber cloth - I don't know because I haven't tried it. I have decades of experience maintaining painted vehicles. Stainless steel requires new and different care.

I currently have non-traveling dogs that are getting older and keep me from being away for too long else I have to board them or hire a sitter. When they're gone, I plan to travel farther and more frequently than I currently do and am considering buying a small travel trailer (I've been eyeing Casitas for a while, which can be pulled even with a Model Y).

If I were to buy a Cybertruck, I would probably keep my current Model Y and sell the MX-5 Miata. The problem with this is that the Model Y is bigger than the MX-5 Miata and wouldn't fit in my garage with the riding mower.

If I were to buy a new Model Y, I would probably keep the MX-5 Miata and sell/trade my current Model Y.

Ultimately, buying a Cybertruck would be the most fun, but least convenient choice. Buying a new Model Y would be the second most practical option. Keeping my current Model Y would be the most practical option.

Ideally, I'd like to buy a Cybertruck, a new Model Y, and a shed/shop/building for the other items currently taking up space in my garage, but that's more money than I am willing to spend and is as close not being an option as you can get.
 
Discussion starter · #49 ·
Silverado EV doesn't have FSD, but it does have Super Cruise, which is arguably a better Level 2 ADAS system overall. But again, you said you don't really need a truck, plus with your Model Y, and Miata, you're enjoying much smaller vehicles. Rivian R1T still not in the cards? :D
I have little to no interest in any electric vehicle other than a Tesla - their design speaks to me in a way that no other brand does. That, of course, is subject to change. The only other EV I would even remotely consider is a Rivian R2.

Full Self-Driving (anywhere - not just on certain highways, which I am very rarely on) has become valuable and important to me and is becoming more so with each improvement to the software.
 
Discussion starter · #61 ·
What??? First I was a little concerned when you were considering the CT, but no big deal. Now, after reading the above, I am VERY concerned you are in a crisis.

Ok, maybe you are trading the MX5 for a Lotus Elise or Alfa 4C or Caterham or hell even a Boxster! But no fun car is no fun. Trust me on this one.
For years, the only time I have driven it is to breakfast on Sunday mornings with a friend. Since I bought an EV, I also use it to transport a 5-gallon gas can for my outdoor power equipment once or twice a year because I feel weird pulling up to a gas pump in an EV. :D

I already feel weird enough using a gas-powered pressure washer to clean and gas-powered leaf blower to dry the EV.

Lowe's recently had a 42" EGO zero-turn mower marked down to $2,000 from $5,500. I ordered one and delivery was scheduled, but they canceled the order at the last minute claiming the item was "out of stock" (I'm sure it was after employees snatched them up or called their friends and relatives - I worked in retail so I know how that works).

I always enjoyed driving, but I find myself becoming increasingly aggravated at people who speed, tailgate, don't signal, don't turn on their headlights, fail to dim their high beams, run red lights, drive slowly in the passing lane, turn into the far lane, display offensive or politically-charged messages, etc. Driving is becoming more of a necessary annoyance and having experienced Tesla's supervised Full-Self Driving (which has improved to the point that I now subscribe to it), I am looking forward to a time when I can watch TV or close my eyes and listen to music or take a nap on my way to the next destination without having to see other drivers.
 
Discussion starter · #68 · (Edited)
  • The high maintenance of the stainless steel exterior - or at least the perception of it. I know how to keep my stainless steel appliances looking new, but they live indoors. I have no experience maintaining a stainless steel automobile that is frequently exposed to rain, road film, bird droppings, tree sap, insects, etc. Maybe it's as simple as carrying around a can of Sprayway glass cleaner and a microfiber cloth - I don't know because I haven't tried it. I have decades of experience maintaining painted vehicles. Stainless steel requires new and different care.
I have purchased this stuff in bulk from a wholesale club for years - I've never found a better glass cleaner.



  • It would be nice not having to worry about getting door dings in parking lots and be able to sand out scuffs and scratches without the expense of repainting
 
If you folks are interested in an electric truck, GM makes the Silverado EV. It's made by Union employees, has more range, and is definitely a lot less ugly than the Cybertruck. It also has a huge network of parts and service nationwide, and, lately, dealers are offering big discounts on the thing, which make it much cheaper than the Tesla.
I had dinner with some friends last night including one who owns an R1T which recently received its third steering wheel under warranty (the covers peeled off of the first two).

Another friend currently has a BMW X3, but is in the market for an electric pickup. He has considered the Cybertruck, R1T, F-150 Lightning, and Silverado EV.

He said he liked the Cybertruck...except for all the rattles on the one he test drove. I forgot to ask him if it was the same one I drove locally, but I got the feeling this was a while back and in a different city. He didn't like the front end design of the R1T. The F-150 Lightning looked too much like a regularly F-150 to him. He liked the Silverado EV best, but at the time he was looking, there were only $100K RST trims or stripped WT trims while the mid-level RT trim was hard to find. He liked passthrough between the bed and cabin. He also liked the range, but not the efficiency or cost and time to charge (it sounds like most of the charging for his use case would be at public fast chargers).
 
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While I found insurance to be surprisingly "cheap" on a Cybertruck a few weeks ago, I decided to look at the cost of tires yesterday. There are several reports of OE Cybertruck tires lasting only 6,000 miles, but surely that's not typical of a person who drives the vehicle normally.

On TireRack.com, there are only two EV-specific tires in the Cybertruck's size - Goodyear all-terrain or Pirelli all-seasons. The latter will run about $2,500 a set out-the-door.

 
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