I've seen you post this before. What exactly are you complaining about here ? Why aren't the tires not replaceable ? I mean Firestone is still producing tires and Honda is still installing them. What's not available ?

 

Yes Firestone is producing tires but, Not destination Le2. Now its Le3. With more thread life and is a little wider so it's not interchangeable.....
Point is Selling vehicles with discontinued tires will cause you to buy 2 tires at a time if one is damaged. There's no warranty cant just go and buy a new one. Not readily available

 

Well that happens at all manufacturers of vehicles. The tire company changes the design and moves on. What's different about this situation ?

Tires do have a warranty with the manufacturer, wouldn't they honor your warranty ?

I bought tires from Michelin a couple years ago now. (2 1/2) and they came with a free 2 year warranty against anything happening to them. Just go to the dealer and get replacements. I'm sure they've been discontinued too but most cars are not affected by two different style tires.

 

I've never once replaced OEM tires with OEM tires on any vehicle I've ever owned. I've also never changed only two tires except on my few cars which were beaters and had two tires replaced out of sync before I bought it.

 

I'm not just talking about oem tires.
What do you think would happen if your sidewall on the tire was cut ,and you only have 2000 miles on your 22 ridgeline. I'm just making this up. Now is there a replacement? You may find one online $$... Now with new vehicle buy 4 tires $$$$

I just recently went through this with my Blizzaks. Blew one out last winter, went to replace it and the size was discontinued. I had to purchase 2 new Continentals.

Its frustrating, but it happens all the time. Not sure its Honda's fault.

That's your replacement tire. Not the ones that came with your new vehicle and was ALREADY DISCONTINUED IN 2021..

 

I just recently went through this with my Blizzaks. Blew one out last winter, went to replace it and the size was discontinued. I had to purchase 2 new Continentals.

Its frustrating, but it happens all the time. Not sure its Honda's fault.

 

hmmmm..... I guess I've been pretty lucky. Never had to experience that so I've only ever done 4 tires at a time.

 

@Alans63, I suggest reading beginning on page 29 of the Firestone warranty.

https://owners.honda.com/static/pdfs/common/Bridgestone%20(E).pdf

Before wearing down to 2/32 inch (1.6 mm) remaining original tread depth (i.e. worn down to the top of the built-in indicators in the tread grooves) and within 6 years from the date of purchase (proof of purchase date required; without proof of purchase date, then within 6 years from the date of tire manufacture), for any reason other than those excluded in the section entitled “What This Limited Warranty Does Not Cover,” any eligible tire that becomes unusable for any reason within the manufacturer’s control will be replaced with an equivalent new tire on the basis set forth in this Limited Warranty.

 

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Destination+LE+2&partnum=46HR8DLE2V3&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Honda&autoYear=2019&autoModel=Ridgeline%20AWD&autoModClar=RTL-T

I found the tires pretty easily... i don't understand

 

I don't think the Better Business Bureau will be too interested in this....

 

That's your replacement tire. Not the ones that came with your new vehicle and was ALREADY DISCONTINUED IN 2021..

Its the same exact situation. Tires which needed to be replaced are discontinued. It happens all the time

hmmmm..... I guess I've been pretty lucky. Never had to experience that so I've only ever done 4 tires at a time.

Yup. Was pretty pissed but it is what it is. I cannot control the tire business....

 

That's your replacement tire. Not the ones that came with your new vehicle and was ALREADY DISCONTINUED IN 2021..

OK, gotcha. I agree, if the tires were discontinued Honda should switch them. I wonder how many tires they had stocked up on for production though. Of course they're going to use all of their existing stock. My truck was just built at the beginning of the month so I'll see what tires are on it I guess.

 

I wonder how many tires they had stocked up on for production though.

None. Tires take up a lot of space and Honda Manufacturing of Alabama installs over 155 of them per hour on new automobiles.

Every single day, Honda Manufacturing of Alabama installs enough tires to completely fill four two-car garages from floor-to-ceiling and wall-to-wall.

Manufacturers simply don't have the space to store that many parts, so they're made days or even hours before they're needed on the production line and delivered just before they get installed. That's how Just-In-Time manufacturing works.

 

Here's another curve ball for ya... There are at last three different variations of the Firestone Destination LE2 tire - retail, OE, and OE with decorative sidewall tread.

 

@Alans63 either you haven't owned many new vehicles or you haven't shopped in a while. There are lots of vehicles sold with tires which are only available to the MFG, different available to the dealership and even ones where the front two are different sized than the rear (and I'm not talking supercar territory) BMW i3 has only one or two tires available and they are different sizes, this vehicle was sold in the US into 2021. I could go on. I'd suggest you drive back to the dealership ask for the next set of take offs (which happen often also) or check out the trading post a set of 4 just sold for $400

As for the other two issues you listed in your first post, both the power passenger seat and the side vehicle indicator light were or should have been obvious when you purchased, if you test drove it, if not I'm sure you can sell it rather quickly and possibly get your money out of it

 

@Alans63 either you haven't owned many new vehicles or you haven't shopped in a while. There are lots of vehicles sold with tires which are only available to the MFG, different available to the dealership and even ones where the front two are different sized than the rear (and I'm not talking supercar territory) BMW i3 has only or two tires available and they are different sizes, this vehicle was sold in the US into 2021. I could go on. I'd suggest you drive back to the dealership ask for the next set of take offs (which happen often also) or check out the trading post a set of 4 just sold for $400

As for the other two issues you listed in your first post, both the power passenger seat and the side vehicle indicator light were or should have been obvious when you purchased, if you test drove it, if not I'm sure you can sell it rather quickly and possibly get your money out of it

Tks

 

Yep, have those 4 in the back of the rental Chrysler Voyager van now. Stinkin' it up.

 

Personally, I am excited to be able to change the OEM tires. Firestone isnt the best name in tires. While OEMs are decent so far, Michelins will be on mine from here forward.

 

My 2021 Ridgeline may end up being only the second vehicle I've had long enough to buy new tires (or batteries or brakes) for. The last was a 1999 Regal about 20 years ago. I usually trade long before the tires are worn out. I'm not sure if I'll go with another set of Firestone Destination LE2/3 or whatever replaced the near-perfect Michelin LTX M/S that came with the 2006-2014 Ridgeline.

 

I had to replace two tires on my 2019 Ridgeline a few months back after running over a nail, which was too close to the sidewall to patch. The tire shops in my area all had Firestone LE2s in stock and could order the LE3s.

 

Always something new here on the forum. Just get two tires. Big deal. If I’m understanding your post and replies correctly…no one can blame you for being pissy about it but come on it’s not really something to harass the mfg’er for - let alone scream to the BBB. Tires get dropped or changed all the time. And sorry chap but your other gripes are kinda silly since those are known features on a new car research/test drive/purchase. You want everyone to complain to Honda about those? Hope your dry cleaner never screws up your shirts.

 

OEMs don’t stock up on tires. They use just in time delivery. (The source of many of the supply chain issues we are seeing.). They show up in a truck already mounted on rims and are in order such that they go straight to the car on the line. So the truck that delivers could have different tire and rim types depending on the configurations on the line. If they are out of order, it’s a mess. I’ve seen this with my own eyes at a chevy plant.

 

I lost one my original tires to a dastardly nail. Honda dealer had a similar tire with similar treadwear they sold me for $30.

Life, uh, finds a way.

 

I'm itching to replace my stock LE2's on my 21 with Michelins. I'll sell all 4 of them to ya cheap! Only 5k miles all around.

 

How are the LE3s wider? I am probably the only on who was ok with the OEM Firestones, got 50,000 out of my originals and could have gone a little longer but winter was coming so I changed them. I went to get the same ones and they were discontinued. I liked how the truck drove and handled so I didn’t want to risk any ride quality change. I went with the LE3 and 3000 miles in I like them ( for the driving I do, I realize everyone is different). They were the exact same size as the LE2 that were on the truck so I am not sure how they are wider. I am ocd so I even looked at them side by side in the shop ( they had one new one but couldn’t get 4). they seemed pretty much the same as far as size.

 

The LE3 is a far better tire. longer life and 3 peak rated. i drove to utah with them and highway driving was impeccable. I wanted the AT 265 look and switched out a month ago.

 

I have mentioned this before but I get no real response. Here goes .
These tires come with 2021 and 2022 Ridgeline RTL-E are discounted . Now if you need a replacement you may have to buy 2 at a time or all 4 tires to be correct. This will cost 200.00 + per tire. HONDA SHOULD NOT SELL YOU A VEHICLE (TRUCK) THAT TIRES ARE NOT REPLACEABLE. Yes you can look in line pay more money for shipping.
The point is tires are not readily available and Honda should own up to this.....
I don't here many complaints and there should be. Also No tires are not the cheap ones you get with a new car
That was decades ago...
I wish everyone would complain..
You can see Honda is leaving Ridgeline trucks without options you get on other vehicles.. ex. Passenger power seats only go front an back.qhat happened to up and down.
That side marker light that tells you there's a vehicle near you is not Brite enough to get any attention. It should be in the mirrors.
speak up report it to Better business Bureau.
Alans63

1 - The tires that are "discontinued" are available at Discount Tire; to be fair, these may be the last run and just leftover stock.
2 - I may be the minority, but getting replacement OEM tires for if a tire gets punctured, and can't be repaired is really not something I loose much sleep over.
3 - The Firestone tires are not anything amazing; If I had to replace the set, in the unlikely situation of an unrepairable puncture, at least the Honda can get some good tires out of the deal. As you mentioned, tires are not cheap, but at the end of the day, I am not too worried about not being able to get a mediocre replacement for something that might occur.
4 - With every mile you drive, that is one mile closer to needing to replace all the tires anyways. If you have a single failure with 10k, while premature, that is still ~30% of the tires life.
4 - Coming from a long time Subaru owner; tires are the biggest pain with AWD. After a few fraction of an inch is worn down, if (again rather unlikely) 1 tire needs to be replaced, they ALL need to be replaced since the difference in diameter will overhead the clutch and computes handing the power distribution. So at the end of the day, even if you could get OEM tires, it is quite likely you won't be able to replace a single tire without screwing up a lot of expensive mechanical stuff. Not sure what the Honda position is, but I suspect their AWD need all the tires with similar tread.

 

1 - The tires that are "discontinued" are available at Discount Tire; to be fair, these may be the last run and just leftover stock.
2 - I may be the minority, but getting replacement OEM tires for if a tire gets punctured, and can't be repaired is really not something I loose much sleep over.
3 - The Firestone tires are not anything amazing; If I had to replace the set, in the unlikely situation of an unrepairable puncture, at least the Honda can get some good tires out of the deal. As you mentioned, tires are not cheap, but at the end of the day, I am not too worried about not being able to get a mediocre replacement for something that might occur.
4 - With every mile you drive, that is one mile closer to needing to replace all the tires anyways. If you have a single failure with 10k, while premature, that is still ~30% of the tires life.
4 - Coming from a long time Subaru owner; tires are the biggest pain with AWD. After a few fraction of an inch is worn down, if (again rather unlikely) 1 tire needs to be replaced, they ALL need to be replaced since the difference in diameter will overhead the clutch and computes handing the power distribution. So at the end of the day, even if you could get OEM tires, it is quite likely you won't be able to replace a single tire without screwing up a lot of expensive mechanical stuff. Not sure what the Honda position is, but I suspect their AWD need all the tires with similar tread.

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I think Honda is a little more forgiving than Subaru. I'd shoot for around up to 3% difference in circumference (only because of variance in the iVTM4 / SH-AWD torque-vectoring units [2.7-3.5%]). Likely the difference is higher.

If nervous about that, you can have a tire shop shave the tread on a new tire for you, or ask them if they have "like-new" take-offs.

At any rate, tires are pretty bad for the environment. If you care about that, you should use as much tread as you can without compromising safety.

https://jalopnik.com/emissions-from-tire-wear-are-a-whole-lot-worse-than-we-1849023188

 

They can’t be that discontinued because my truck was just built at the beginning of June and it has LE2’s on it.

 

I have mentioned this before but I get no real response. Here goes .
These tires come with 2021 and 2022 Ridgeline RTL-E are discounted . Now if you need a replacement you may have to buy 2 at a time or all 4 tires to be correct. This will cost 200.00 + per tire. HONDA SHOULD NOT SELL YOU A VEHICLE (TRUCK) THAT TIRES ARE NOT REPLACEABLE. Yes you can look in line pay more money for shipping.
The point is tires are not readily available and Honda should own up to this.....
I don't here many complaints and there should be. Also No tires are not the cheap ones you get with a new car
That was decades ago...
I wish everyone would complain..
You can see Honda is leaving Ridgeline trucks without options you get on other vehicles.. ex. Passenger power seats only go front an back.qhat happened to up and down.
That side marker light that tells you there's a vehicle near you is not Brite enough to get any attention. It should be in the mirrors.
speak up report it to Better business Bureau.
Alans63

Dealers trying to get you to replace 2 or 4 tires when only one has an issue is a scam. I had an Accord with only 5K miles on it and one of the tires got a one inch gouge on the sidewall. The dealer suggested to replace all 4 tires so they "would have the same amount of wear". I replaced none and drove another 50K on the tire with the gouge. In general OEM tires are worse than the many options of replacement tires that you can get. Is this really worth getting upset over?

 

To summarize what Consumer Reports found when they tested the Firestone Destination LE3:

• All-season tire
• Terrible wet braking
• Very quiet
• Excellent snow traction
• Low rolling resistance
• 60,000 mile tread life

The Michelin Defender LTX M/S which replaced the excellent Michelin LTX M/S that came on the first generation Ridgeline had similar characteristics, but with better wet braking and tread life (80,000 miles).

The highest rated tire they tested was the Continental TerrainContact H/T that had a tested tread life of 95,000 miles. They really liked this tire and had nothing bad to say about it.

 

Tread life is one of the lower priorities on my list. I'm always concerned that higher tread life might reflect harder rubber compound which could impact braking distances as well as roadholding during spirited driving. I could easily be wrong though.

As i grow older, i value quiet, comfort and low rolling resistance. I tend to swap to winter tires during the winter, so not too concerned with snow traction.

When I was younger, I might've gone for sharp-handling 20-inch tires. I prefer more sidewall now. I would put 15" rims on the Ridgeline if they'd fit - that would give me another 1.5" rubber cushion!

 

Check your dealer for tire prices. I had to replace a damaged OE tire on the Pilot earlier this year and was pleasantly surprised - the dealer had the matching tire in stock within a few dollars of the Tire Rack price.