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#1 ·
Hello,

I recently purchased a 2007 model with 67k miles in Norway. There are several things I need to do with the car, such as replacing the timing belt since it is 17 years old and I am concerned it might suddenly fail.

In connection with replacing the timing belt, I will also change the engine oil, automatic transmission fluid, rear differential fluid, and steering wheel fluid.

So here is the case: I have read in several posts that it is best to use Honda’s ATF, but I haven’t read anything about whether it is okay to use another oil that is a direct replacement like “Ravenol Z1” or “Ravenol DW-1”. One would think that Z1 oil is better for the engine than DW-1, so the one from Ravenol should be better for the transmission than anything else.

I know that Ravenol does not sell in the USA, or at least not the Z1 and DW-1 fluid, but what I want to know is if these are good enough for the transmission.

What do you think?

I cannot include the links to Ravenol because this is my first post, but this is what is mentioned about Z1:

RAVENOL Type Z1 Honda Transmission Fluid is a fully synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) based on high-quality hydrocrack oils with special additives and inhibitors to ensure smooth and efficient operation of the latest generation of all 4- and 5-speed Honda automatic transmissions.

Application

RAVENOL Type Z1 Honda
Transmission Fluid was developed especially for use in Honda automatic transmissions with the designations BMXA, SLXA, SPCA, BDRA, SMLA, SDMA, MZHA, MZJA, MKZA, GPPA, BAYA, MAYA, SMMA and can be used under all standard operating conditions.

Meets/ Exceeds Requirements
  • Honda 08266-99904
  • Honda 08266-99907
  • Honda 08200-9005
Characteristics
RAVENOL Type Z1
Honda Transmission Fluid offers:
  • Excellent lubricating ability even at lowest temperatures
  • A high, stable viscosity index
  • Very good oxidation stability
  • Excellent protection against corrosion and foam formation
  • Good balanced coefficient of friction
  • Very high thermal stability at all temperatures
  • Enhanced cooling capacity
 
#2 ·
In the USA they are using DW-1 in the older ones now. It's a better fluid and the Z1 is no longer sold here.

As for your choice. That's up to you. It's your money. Lots of people will tell you that the transmission as designed by Honda is different than all others. That is a true statement and as so you should use the Honda recommended fluid. Again, your money your call.

In my 17' RTL I am using Amsoil Synthetic in mine. Here's the link to what I'm using. Here's a link to my testing of that fluid long term via analysis. Again. Your call.
 
#3 · (Edited)
You say "One would think that Z1 oil is better for the engine than DW-1, so the one from Ravenol should be better for the transmission than anything else." I'm not sure what you are basing this on but as stevem already mentioned Honda replaced their Z1 with DW-1 fluid and it is now the recommended fluid for the Honda AT5 transmission in the GenI Ridgeline. The typical recommendation on this forum is to stick with Honda's own fluids rather the aftermarket fluids that are designed for MULTIPLE applications. The uniqueness of the Honda transmission design (automated manual transmission is one way to describe it) is main reason. It the case of the Ravenol products, they do appear to offer a specialized formula that is designed to specifically replace Honda's DW1 fluid. I have no idea how good their fluid is but the fact that it is, in theory, a specific design for Honda's transmission is a good thing in my mind and would make it worth considering if its readily available to you at a price considerably lower than Honda's DW1. If you think that the Ravenol DW1 is actually better than Honda's then I would be interested in knowing why you think that. In the case of the GenI Ridgeline there has been little if any indication that the transmission is problematic and many members here have well running high mileage vehicles using Honda's fluid in the transmission. Basically I'm not sure what you are trying to fix unless its a cost or availability thing.
 
#5 ·
Also, consider replacing the radiator as well. These can be a trouble area on early G1 Ridgelines. There are transmission cooling lines that ate plumbed through the radiator. Some of the fittings can fail, allowing the radiator fluid to contaminate the transmission fluid. If this happens, the transmission can suffer terminal damage.
 
#6 ·
Thank you, stevem5215, for your response. As you and the rest of the forum rightly indicate, I should use products designed by and for Honda. The reason I ask the question is because Ravenol has Z1 and DW-1 fluids, meaning they are specific and not for general use.

eurban, the reason I mentioned that one might think Z1 is better than DW-1 for the engine is because Z1 was originally designed to work in these engines, whereas DW-1 is its replacement. I thought perhaps DW-1 was intended for newer engines and that Z1 might be better, but as you correctly pointed out, DW-1 is recommended. So, thank you for your input; I will no longer consider Z1.

The reason I am so interested in Ravenol is because it is much easier to acquire here in Norway than the Honda fluid. It is also somewhat cheaper, but not by much. Another reason is that I have often read that Honda DW-1 is not fully synthetic, whereas Ravenol DW-1 is, and theoretically, it has all the necessary additives to replace DW-1.

Mark1, I forgot to mention, but yes, I ordered a complete kit that includes the timing belt, idler roller/pulley, tensioner roller/pulley, water pump and gasket, hydraulic tensioner, front camshaft seals, and serpentine drive belt.

ISO Truck, I had read about that, and I plan to change the radiator later. Between buying the car, a new screen, reverse camera, fluids, and parts, it is starting to become quite costly this month, haha. Do you think the radiator can last a few more months, or should I absolutely change it as soon as possible?
 
#8 · (Edited)
I hear you, @Sebaskurik . It’s no fun dumping money into a vehicle immediately after the expense of purchasing it.

You could probably wait a bit on the radiator. But there is a gamble.

If budget permits, I would recommend doing the radiator along with the other work.

The good news is a G1 Ridgeline is a very capable and versatile vehicle. Once you complete all this preventative maintenance, you will have a great truck!