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Brake fluid

11K views 31 replies 12 participants last post by  rollinhonda  
#1 · (Edited)
Is it OK to replace Brake fluid by just vacuuming the top reservoir, and filling it with new fluid... and repeating the process a week later.
(similar to doing ATF)
I read that's all many service places do!
I am asking because of health problems (sciatica) - I am in no shape to remove the wheels to bleed the nipples... thanks.
 
#3 ·
As mentioned it won't do any harm, but it won't do much good either. The brake fluid does not circulate like engine oil or transmission fluid. The fluid in the calipers doesn't make it's way back to the reservoir. The fluid in and near the calipers it what does the work and is what needs to be replaced.

It doesn't take anything Honda specific to bleed each brake to get new fluid so any competent shop can do it at a reasonable price. Don't pay dealer rates for this.
 
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#8 ·
I am not satisfied with vacuum bleeding the brake system. It doesn't matter if I use my MityVac or my air compressor. I get so much air leakage around the threads that it slows the process considerably and the fluid exchange pace becomes glacial. Perhaps I need to take the suggestion to use plumbing tape on the bleeder screw threads to help with air leakage.

I'm not sure what my next attack vector is going to be on a brake fluid flush. Either a buddy system with someone holding the brake pedal down while I bleed... or splurge for some speedbleeders and try it that way. I normally do this solo so option 1 may not be practical.

Regardless, I don't know how you bleed the system without pulling the wheels off to get to the bleeder screws unless you're on a lift.
 
#6 ·
I just use the buddy method of pumping the pedal and bleeding. My wife has gotten really good at it. As was said, the brakes NEED to be bled every few years. Honda calls for every three years for a full brake fluid flush to be done, which is nothing more than bleeding every corner until clean, fresh fluid reaches the caliper. I recently did this for the third time on my wife's Accord when I was changing brake pads. It had been about 2.5 years since I last did it and the fluid was brown and nasty. The car brakes much more confidently now and there is less pedal travel. I'm going to be due to do the same thing on the truck in the spring. It's amazing how many people neglect the brake fluid when it's one of the most important fluids in a vehicle. Sure, oil keep your engine going and tranny fluid keeps your tranny going, but your brake fluid stops you from hitting large, heavy objects.
 
#7 ·
Even if you need a shop to do it, do it!!!

Shop around for the best price, but in my experience it is normally around 50-60 bucks, give or take. Small price to maintain braking efficiency.
 
#11 ·
I replace pads even rotors, but usually take it in for a bleed. It's reasonable, I only have to do it every 2 to 3 years, gives me a chance to talk to my mechanic, considering it's a Honda there are not too many of those opportunities. :)
 
#13 ·
As long as they apply pressure to the pedal and don't let go of it before you close the bleeder screw again (which will suck air into the system), you're fine. Nonetheless, I would still trust an adult friend before most teenagers. :)
 
#20 ·
the info is valid and IanRTL is correct.

This is typically an issue with an older vehicle, that hasn't had the best/any service. Corrosion AND wear in the master cylinder housing could damage the seals in the cylinder if pushed beyond it's normal travel.

In 35 years on/off the bench, I have never actually seen this. But it is possible.
Personally, I'd take the risk - because if ever in a panic situation I did manage to over apply the brake (or low fluid condition), I'd much prefer a failure during the bleeding process than in the driving one ;act028:
 
#25 ·
I have to ask why you need to change brake fluid. I run a 3500 Chevy van for work. We replace every 5 years. My usual kilometers are 450000( 280000 miles) in 5 years. Never change the brake fluid. Have not had any problems with brakes other than pads and rotors ( normal wear). Can anyone explain why the brake fluid should be changed. I think proof is in the real world.
 
#28 ·
I didn't know there was a problem with tape and aluminum. What's up with that?
 
#30 ·
Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know that.
 
#32 ·
Actually, the proof in the real world is when the brakes don't work as they should under an extreme condition. Many components will endure limited maintenance. That does not mean they don't need the maintenance, it just means they will fail prematurely when you least expect it. Of course, you may pass the 'problem' on to the next owner, some may call that being lucky.
Most people would never imagine NOT changing their oil regularly. I would give brakes a higher priority.